Is Wall Top 5 PG?

[deneem4]

Kyle Lowry TS% = .555
John Wall TS% = .526

Kyle Lowry Offrtg = 113.1
John Wall Offrtg = 104.5

If you're going by stats, it's pretty obvious Kyle's been better offensively while leading the second most potent team offense (thus far) in NBA history.

Now this says nothing about how effective John's been on the defensive end, which Lowry simply cannot match.

lowry shoot more 3s and free throws...thats why his offrtg is higher...period...

Of course. And those are the best shots you could take .. Especially when you shoot them well enough to sport a .555 TS%

wall excuse from lowry himself
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... john-wall/

[hands11]

the general board is lucky im banned...but wall is a top 3 point guard...
for the simple fact hes a pure 2 way guard leads in steals and blocks for pg...
top 3 in steals overall
top 5 in blocks for guards
is shooting the 3 better than lowry
better fg% than lowry as well
dont hsve to mention the playmaking

Kyle Lowry TS% = .555
John Wall TS% = .526

Kyle Lowry Offrtg = 113.1
John Wall Offrtg = 104.5

If you're going by stats, it's pretty obvious Kyle's been better offensively while leading the second most potent team offense (thus far) in NBA history.

Now this says nothing about how effective John's been on the defensive end, which Lowry simply cannot match.

Might want to keep that weak framing in the TOR board.

Wall per 36

ASTs 10.6 .. plus 2.5
Steals 2.2 plus .8
Blocks 0.8 plus .6
rebounding .. tied

3P% .344 plus .011

The difference in TS is mainly Low shoots more of them.. Wall 2.7 vs Low 5.2

But Wall didn't start this year looking to score as much as he was looking to dish. AST% 47.4 vs 37.3
He regularly comes out dishing it out and getting 4/5 assists in the first quarter.

They are both good players. No reason to get upset some people are saying Wall is better. Specially on his own teams board. There are plenty of stats that point to it. He has been a monster the last 7 games. The stats reflecting that will slowly climb to match his new level of performance. And he is much younger with much more upside.

[deneem4]

lowry is a product of the system john wall is the system....replace lowry with Vasquez the stats wont be much different replace wall with anyone not named paul...the wizards will self destruct

[strudel forever]

the general board is lucky im banned...but wall is a top 3 point guard...
for the simple fact hes a pure 2 way guard leads in steals and blocks for pg...
top 3 in steals overall
top 5 in blocks for guards
is shooting the 3 better than lowry
better fg% than lowry as well
dont hsve to mention the playmaking

Kyle Lowry TS% = .555
John Wall TS% = .526

Kyle Lowry Offrtg = 113.1
John Wall Offrtg = 104.5

If you're going by stats, it's pretty obvious Kyle's been better offensively while leading the second most potent team offense (thus far) in NBA history.

Now this says nothing about how effective John's been on the defensive end, which Lowry simply cannot match.

Might want to keep that weak framing in the TOR board.

Wall per 36

ASTs 10.6 .. plus 2.5
Steals 2.2 plus .8
Blocks 0.8 plus .6
rebounding .. tied

3P% .344 plus .011

The difference in TS is mainly Low shoots more of them.. Wall 2.7 vs Low 5.2

But Wall didn't start this year looking to score as much as he was looking to dish. AST% 47.4 vs 37.3
He regularly comes out dishing it out and getting 4/5 assists in the first quarter.

They are both good players. No reason to get upset some people are saying Wall is better. Specially on is own teams board. There are plenty of stats that point to it. He has been a monster the last 7 games. The stats reflecting that will slowly climb to match his new level of performance. And he is much younger with much more upside.

There's nothing weak about contributing offensive rating and TS % to a post that used FG% in isolation, which is pretty much a useless stat on its own.

[hands11]

Kyle Lowry TS% = .555
John Wall TS% = .526

Kyle Lowry Offrtg = 113.1
John Wall Offrtg = 104.5

If you're going by stats, it's pretty obvious Kyle's been better offensively while leading the second most potent team offense (thus far) in NBA history.

Now this says nothing about how effective John's been on the defensive end, which Lowry simply cannot match.

Might want to keep that weak framing in the TOR board.

Wall per 36

ASTs 10.6 .. plus 2.5
Steals 2.2 plus .8
Blocks 0.8 plus .6
rebounding .. tied

3P% .344 plus .011

The difference in TS is mainly Low shoots more of them.. Wall 2.7 vs Low 5.2

But Wall didn't start this year looking to score as much as he was looking to dish. AST% 47.4 vs 37.3
He regularly comes out dishing it out and getting 4/5 assists in the first quarter.

They are both good players. No reason to get upset some people are saying Wall is better. Specially on is own teams board. There are plenty of stats that point to it. He has been a monster the last 7 games. The stats reflecting that will slowly climb to match his new level of performance. And he is much younger with much more upside.

There's nothing weak about contributing offensive rating and TS % to a post that used FG% in isolation, which is pretty much a useless stat on its own.

What's weak is saying "If you're going by stats" then responding to what you think are limited stats framed in a limited way and then framing your reply in that same limited way. Sure TS show total scoring efficiency. It has a place in the debate. You took things one step forward. But that's far from a comprehensive picture. So I added a several more layers and some context. And another posted added even more by framing the differences in the rosters and how that effects floor spacing.

As for the the second most potent team offense... Yes, what they are doing is impressive. Second, they aren't second. Didn't take me long to find PHX ranked higher in second 2009. I stopped looking after that. Third..right.. THUS FAR. All the teams they compared to did if for a season, not 1/4 of a season.

[nate33]

lowry shoot more 3s and free throws...thats why his offrtg is higher...period...

Of course. And those are the best shots you could take .. Especially when you shoot them well enough to sport a .555 TS%

wall excuse from lowry himself
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... john-wall/

Nice find!

[Nivek]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

[tontoz]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

I also think it is easier for Wall to improve from here than it is for Lowry.

[Nivek]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

I also think it is easier for Wall to improve from here than it is for Lowry.

I definitely agree. When I blogged about Wall earlier in the week, I made the point that his best days are likely still ahead of him. He's not quite to the level where fans want to put him, but he's playing great AND has room to improve. At 24, he's the best defender at PG in the league, and he can get more efficient on offense with better shot selection and reducing turnovers. Both of those are things I think he can improve without being any less dynamic.

To me, it's really good news actually. The Wizards are winning, Wall is playing terrific, AND he's likely to get even better.

[fishercob]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

I also think it is easier for Wall to improve from here than it is for Lowry.

I definitely agree. When I blogged about Wall earlier in the week, I made the point that his best days are likely still ahead of him. He's not quite to the level where fans want to put him, but he's playing great AND has room to improve. At 24, he's the best defender at PG in the league, and he can get more efficient on offense with better shot selection and reducing turnovers. Both of those are things I think he can improve without being any less dynamic.

To me, it's really good news actually. The Wizards are winning, Wall is playing terrific, AND he's likely to get even better.

That IS good news. But whatever, let's all keep arguing about the GM and calling each other trolls.

[dckingsfan]

I also think it is easier for Wall to improve from here than it is for Lowry.

I definitely agree. When I blogged about Wall earlier in the week, I made the point that his best days are likely still ahead of him. He's not quite to the level where fans want to put him, but he's playing great AND has room to improve. At 24, he's the best defender at PG in the league, and he can get more efficient on offense with better shot selection and reducing turnovers. Both of those are things I think he can improve without being any less dynamic.

To me, it's really good news actually. The Wizards are winning, Wall is playing terrific, AND he's likely to get even better.

That IS good news. But whatever, let's all keep arguing about the GM and calling each other trolls.

Made me laugh out loud!

[nate33]

That article was from April, 2013.

Yeah, I noticed that. But I still think his point is valid. Most of the top tier PG's have a huge advantage because of the floor spacing afforded by their teammates. Teague has Millsap at the 4 and Horford/Antic at the 5. Lowry has Patterson at the 4. Curry has Green and Barnes. Westbrook has Ibaka who is a reliable shooter.

The only top PG who lacks a scary perimeter threat at PF is Chris Paul.

A quick screen of the Wall, Beal, Butler, Pierce, Big Man lineup shows that the team has a collective TS% of .596 when that unit is on the floor and Wall averages 21 points and 12 assists per 36 with a TS% of .533. (It's a sample size of 51 minutes so take it with a grain of salt.)

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Starting to get the recognition

Ric Bucher retweeted
B/R Radio @br_radio · 3h 3 hours ago

.@RicBucher's #Top5 PGs in the #NBA right now. 5- Kyle Lowry; 4- Westbrook; 3- Steph Curry; 2- John Wall; 1- Chris Paul. Agree or disagree?

[nate33]

I did a little research on John Wall's clutchness this year in an effort to destroy some Raps fans on the General Board. Check this out.

Here is the list of players who have attempted at least 15 clutch shots this season. By clutch shots, I mean shots taken in the last 3 minutes of regulation or overtime with the point differential no greater than 5.



Wall ranks 1st among 28 guys in FG%, and 3rd in eFG% (behind Nowitzki and Conley).

[Kanyewest]

Wall is 0% from 3 in the clutch though. It's good that Wall has other guys to rely on the 3 like Beal and Pierce.

[nate33]

Wall is 0% from 3 in the clutch though. It's good that Wall has other guys to rely on the 3 like Beal and Pierce.

Fortunately, he has only taken 2 3-pointers - a sign that he understands his limitations. That's maturity.

[dlts20]

doesnt talk about his d but another article giving wall props

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/s ... index.html

[jangles86]

The MVP favorite is 1-6 from three in clutch time, and the goat Kyle Lowry is 0-4.

[hands11]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

See, there are things we can agree upon.

[hands11]

That article was from April, 2013.

When I compare Lowry and Wall, I see differing styles, but very similar impacts so far this season. Lowry scores more on better efficiency; Wall is the more impactful defender.

In my stuff, Lowry rates a tiny bit ahead of Wall (PPA 179 to Wall's 175), but those scores are so close I'd put them in the "about the same" category.

Don't see why the fan base of either team would want to tear down either guy. Both are outstanding players having terrific seasons.

One significant difference that I think Wizards fans will like: Lowry is 28; Wall is 24.

I also think it is easier for Wall to improve from here than it is for Lowry.

Wow. Back to back.

See, we can find common ground. Between you and Niv, we just make effectually the exact same points.

No reason to always bicker with each other when we see eye to eye on some things.