The Rondo Trade

[hawkschop1]

Just thought i'd start a thread for everyone's thoughts on the reported trade:

-nelson, wright, crowder & 2 picks to boston for Rondo-

nothing official yet. related: I think wright could a good signing this summer to backup Al.

[hawkschop1]

I'd bet Okafor or J. O'neil will now sign with dallas

[Hawk Eye]

^ this

If I were Boston id do everything I could to get a third to take wright so Boston could net another 1st out of it. Maybe wright to Toronto and Toronto sends Boston their first?

[hawkschop1]

^ this

If I were Boston id do everything I could to get a third to take wright so Boston could net another 1st out of it. Maybe wright to Toronto and Toronto sends Boston their first?

You think teams would exchange a first round pick for Brandan Wright? I think he's quality but i'm not sure he's worth a first?

[Hawk Eye]

Not just Wright by himself. Maybe Wright with the mavs 2nd and Crowder? That could possibly net a mud to late 20's future first. With Boston in full tank I see no need for them to hold onto wright anyways.

[Jamaaliver]

I can't decide if this trade is a genius move that gets DAL closer to elite status...or a train wreck ready to come off the rails.

ESPN asked the question: If this starting five is the best in the league?

I don't know, but the pieces have the potential to fit together fantastically well. The biggest question: Defense. Can a backcourt of Rondo and Monta defend opposing guards well enough to make a deep run in the playoffs.

Man...that western conference is loaded...

[SBM]

That return sets the market for PG's.

[atlantabbq99]

I think Teague has more value than Rondo. I think Teague can get you a lottery pick in next year's draft.

[atlantabbq99]

I can't decide if this trade is a genius move that gets DAL closer to elite status...or a train wreck ready to come off the rails.

ESPN asked the question: If this starting five is the best in the league?

I don't know, but the pieces have the potential to fit together fantastically well. The biggest question: Defense. Can a backcourt of Rondo and Monta defend opposing guards well enough to make a deep run in the playoffs.

Man...that western conference is loaded...

I probably overrate Rondo and underrate a guy like Kevin Love. To me, Rondo can fit with any team because defense can fit in any system. Love is 25/12 and alot of people consider him to be a max guy, but for me, he is not worth max, because his defense is so poor, you can't fit him into any system. Like Nash, he needs to be paired up with the right players for his stats to mean something.

The trade defiantly makes the Mavs better, but it doesn't put them past the Spurs and Warriors, but i do think it puts them past the Clippers and Thunder.

[azuresou1]

I think the success of the Mavs will depend on how Rondo and Monta play off each other. It's kinda similar to Charlotte in that neither of the guys is great as an off-ball shooter, the caveat being of course that Dallas has shooters at other positions in Parsons/Dirk and is just an overall better team (plus their defense isn't a dumpster fire like Charlotte's).

I think if Rondo can shoot like 34% on open 3s, Dallas will turn into an offensive juggernaut. If he can't, they're going to have to be creative in finding creases lest teams just roam off Rondo.

[PandaKidd]

I think Teague has more value than Rondo. I think Teague can get you a lottery pick in next year's draft.

Rondo has elite star status, Teague is an 8 million dollar, never an all star "slightly" above average point guard to the rest of the league.

No one is giving up lottery picks, they are far too valuable.

Rondo trade I think was brilliant on Bostons side. They got 1 first, and 2nd, and Wright who is a good serviceable big. Go look at how many trades in the last 3-5 years that have yielded that much value on a guy who has an expiring contract. Most teams dont give up anything for a guy that they can just sign outright in 4-5 months

[ATL Boy]

I think Teague has more value than Rondo. I think Teague can get you a lottery pick in next year's draft.

Rondo has elite star status, Teague is an 8 million dollar, never an all star "slightly" above average point guard to the rest of the league.

No one is giving up lottery picks, they are far too valuable.

Rondo trade I think was brilliant on Bostons side. They got 1 first, and 2nd, and Wright who is a good serviceable big. Go look at how many trades in the last 3-5 years that have yielded that much value on a guy who has an expiring contract. Most teams dont give up anything for a guy that they can just sign outright in 4-5 months

While I agree that Rondo is a better player, I think Teague's contract makes him more valuable, and would warrant a better return package than this Rondo one if we were to trade him. Rondo is expiring and will probably request a max contract or close to it, while Teague still has two years left on his contract after this year, only making $8 million per year.

[PandaKidd]

My main point was no one is giving up LOTTERY picks for Jeff Teague

[Hawk Eye]

I I agree with atlantabbq. Imo Teague would net us a lottery pick anywhere from 10-14. Most likely 12-14.

Part of the reason for this is due to his contract. Teague and Curry have the best "value" contracts in the league for starting point guards. If we were to trade Teague this off season then a team gets him for the next two years at 8 mil per year which is a freaking steal for his level of play. Plus Teague's shooting is MUCH more efficient this season which caused his value to go up as well.

Rondo has way more holes in his game compared to Teague. He doesn't have a jumpshot, he can't shoot free throws, he's a liability in late game situations since the other team can just hack at Rondo to send him to the FT line.

Another thing that decreases Rondo's value is the fact that he is an expiring.

[PandaKidd]

keep dreaming

Teague isnt 1/10th the playmaker Rondo is.

[theatlfan]

I think Rondo is terribly overrated and disagree that he fits into any system. I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the 40th best PG in the league like that scout did, but I wouldn't put him in the upper echelon that many seem to put him in either. As far as scheme, you have to put the ball in his hands and the live and die with his "hero ball" on O. Rondo is such a weak shooter that you can't play him off the ball and you can also get creative on D and stop him. For instance, our huge (historic?) comeback against BOS earlier in the season was partially due to sticking Korver on Rondo and letting the PG roam around clog the passing lanes. He still got his 3x 2x, but we walked away with the W.

I would agree with saying that this is much more palatable when the player is a complete and at least decent defensively, but I think Rondo is getting by on reputation over production now - especially since the injury. Rondo's defensive numbers are down across the board to the point that his opponent PER this year is over 18 while his is around 15.5. For comparison, Nash's Defensive numbers were remarkably similar in the '08-'09 season at 34; at 35, Nash's numbers were substantially better on that end. Now sure, there is some argument that Rondo's numbers are somewhat down due to the surrounding cast (which is what Cuban is banking on) but even for a poor team, these numbers are particularly worrisome especially in light of his injury.

I think Teague is clearly better than him this year and has a better prognosis for future success. Teague is younger, better contract, better numbers overall, and didn't suffer a traumatic injury that he appears to be sapping his game 2 years later. "Trade Value" is so much a factor of what teams are willing to give versus what they have (I mean, DAL may have been willing to deal us the #1 overall pick for Teague, but since they didn't have it, it doesn't matter), but my asking price for him - in terms of the draft - would be a pick in the latter half of the top 10 now. Fans overblow the value of picks because of the the 1 in a million chance of hitting the jackpot, but the studies show that the depreciation on draft picks as you go down the top 5 is dramatic, so forth get into the bottom half of the top 10. Fact is that the expected value of a pick in that area is just a solid starter - not a superstar or anything (think Demarre Carroll) - and Teague is at least as good as that. Instead of having to groom a kid for a year or 2 and hope to get a decent player out of him, the other team can just cash in now and get the expected value of a decent starter on a contract that isn't incredibly more than what they'd be paying a top 10 pick anyway. Assuming you can find a team that is a) drafting in the top 10, b) looking to win now, c) doesn't have the PG position filled, and d) thinks Teague would be a good fit for them, then it could be a deal but as with every deal, especially when you're talking draft picks, that's a lot of IFs.

[Skyhawk1]

I've always thought Rondo was a bit overrated. He holds the ball way too much, it's going to be an adjustment for a Mavs team that plays at a very fast pace. Rondo's best years came when he had Garnett, Pierce, and Allen playing at a great and high level. He hasn't been the same. Even before the injury he wasn't the same. I still think he's a good PG. His style isn't my favorite in a PG as I think he slows the game down too much. Good thing for Dallas is that they didn't give up much for him. I just feel like the Celtics should've been more patient to get more value in return. They get a bunch of role players and late 1st round pick. I'm sure that same offer would be on the table 2 months from now. Meanwhile, the west gets tougher and the East sinks like Titanic.

[PandaKidd]

If you asked me who i want for the next 5 years, Id prob go with teague knowing Rondo will want a max deal.

However, Rondos CEILING is stratospheres ahead of Jeff Teague. If Rondo gets back to form, its not even a debate who is better. Rondo is 10 times the PG Jeff Teague is.

This is the BEST we are seeing Jeff Teague RIGHT NOW, this is his peak. Its REALLY good, but he isnt better than:

Kyrie
Wall
CP3

etc etc etc

I think Rondo may never get back to form, but if he does......... ACLs take 1.5-2 years to come back from.

Rondos BEST season 12/12/5 or 14/9.8/4.4

Teague: 16.5/6.4/2.8

People forget that Rondo is arguably one of the BEST REB point guards in the league.

[SBM]

Teague currently has a better per than Rondo, Wall, and Kyrie. He is being more efficient than ever. Rondo sets the market for guys like himself, Greg Monroe, etc. Guys with expiring contracts that you don't know if you will be able to re-sign but a lot of value on the court.

[MaceCase]

The impact of pass first points are entirely negligible in the current era. When the chips are down a guy like Chris Paul will get you points, John Wall can get you points, Steve Nash could get you points....Rajon Rondo can't. Couple that he's a ball dominant guard playing next to another ball dominant guard that's not a competent shooter and I can't see this succeeding, at all. People will latch on to the name but Cuban has thrown so much **** on the wall in the past 15 or so years based on names that I don't see this failing or succeeding any more than his numerous previous collections of former All Stars.