Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[Ben-N1ce]

My friend you have no idea what you're talking about.

If Belichick isn't a coach in New England there is no Tom Brady.

Coaches don't just coach. They know the game in and out and can help you identify, choose and develop players.

I understand your point but using Brady as an example is silly. If Belichick knew he was so good he sure the hell wouldn't have waited until the 6th round.

It's not silly at all actually because he drafted him when he knew he could get him (at the right price). He stuck with him when he easily could've gotten cut. Then gave him the nod when the "star" went down. And stuck with him when the star returned.

Stars can be found, kept and developed in much the same manner in the NBA.

Having that coach who can see that this guy or that has something special is a huge part of building a winner. Do we really think Pop had no hand in picking the players in SA?

It is silly because your acting like he strategically drafted a top 3 QB all time late because he knew he could. He would have been their 1st pick if they knew what he would become .keeping him on the roster and developing him his a whole different story.

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How many titles have we won as a franchise without a Top 5 pick being our best player? How many? Russell. Bird. Cowens. Garnett. And even if you say Pierce, you know we weren't winning squat without the two other Top 5 picks(Kg and Allen) on the roster. Keep acting like Top 5 picks don't matter. All the GREAT dynasties or multiple title teams all had their best player as one............60's Celtics(Russell), 70's Celtics(Cowens), 80's Celtics(Bird), Lakers(Magic, Kareem) and Pistons(Thomas), 90's Bulls(MJ) and Rockets(Hakeem), 2000's Spurs(Duncan) and Lakers(Gasol). Every single multiple title team in the history of the damn game has either had their best player or 2nd best player as a Top 5 pick. Yet Danny is going to reinvent the wheel with a slew of middle 1st rd talents? Cmon.

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And the second step is getting one of the bigs in the top 5 of this draft.

Possibly.

But that's just your opinion and as a fan isn't it also possible that you're just being impatient?

Maybe Ainge feels confident that there will be another draftee or current NBA player he can get to eventually fill that hole?

The danger of tanking is that you can lose what you have in place with your coach and system. Just saying. Be careful what you wish for. Tanking guarantees exactly nothing and more like we've seen this script before. Celtics tank and land just outside the picks where you get the guy or guys.

It's not impatience, it's looking at the opportunities available and picking the best route.

I know the dangers of tanking and have argued it against it in the past, but that was when we had something to preserve. Trading Rondo for cents on the dollar indicates that we aren't trying to preserve anything - we're making a full break with the past and starting a new hunt for our future through the draft.

I'm not calling for anything like the Philly tank. But the Rondo peers - Jeff Green and Brandon Bass - should be out of here ASAP. Ditto Brandan Wright. We've still got guys like Wallace, Nelson, AB and Thornton to model veteran behavior to the young guys.

Let the young guys take their lumps in a semi-respectable tank.

Possibly that's the right route.

But where you look at trading Rondo as a downgrade, I see it as addition by subtraction.

Where you see a bunch of nobodies, I see a bunch of solid players and a coach who's trying to build something here.

I don't even mind trading Green or Bass or Wright. But it's not a necessity to do so in an attempt to try to lose more games. Tanking reeks of desperation.

The Celtics aren't in a desperate situation and I would absolutely prioritize what's happening with the coach and the players in the room over what's going on in college campuses.

[Geoffrey P]

For those against the trade did you really want Rondo to waste even more years rotting on this crappy team? You figure it's going to take at least a couple more years to be in decent contention and at that point he'd already be in his 30s. Even then it's unlikely they'd be in contention for a championship at this rate.

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I understand your point but using Brady as an example is silly. If Belichick knew he was so good he sure the hell wouldn't have waited until the 6th round.

It's not silly at all actually because he drafted him when he knew he could get him (at the right price). He stuck with him when he easily could've gotten cut. Then gave him the nod when the "star" went down. And stuck with him when the star returned.

Stars can be found, kept and developed in much the same manner in the NBA.

Having that coach who can see that this guy or that has something special is a huge part of building a winner. Do we really think Pop had no hand in picking the players in SA?

It is silly because your acting like he strategically drafted a top 3 QB all time late because he knew he could. He would have been their 1st pick if they knew what he would become .keeping him on the roster and developing him his a whole different story.

Identify talent. Draft player. Keep player. Give player role in which he can find success. That's sports.

Stevens helps you do that successfully. That's the objective right now.

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For those against the trade did you really want Rondo to waste even more years rotting on this crappy team? You figure it's going to take at least a couple more years to be in decent contention and at that point he'd already be in his 30s. Even then it's unlikely they'd be in contention for a championship at this rate.

I have no problem with the trade. I have a problem with not doing it a year ago and going ALL IN on tanking last year, this year and next year and stockpiling Top 5 picks. You can do this by still keeping all your young players, trading away guys like Green and Bass for grilled cheese sandwiches and playing scrubs like Pressey 35 mins a game so we lose basically every night. That's what I want and that's my main beef. We trade Rondo but yet we keep Green and Bass for another month or two instead of giving ourselves the best chance to lose? It's ridiculous. Eff a damn system or "winning culture". That's nonsense. Worry about that crap once you get a young Durant, Lebron, A. Davis, Shaq, Paul or whoever the hell the next BIG THING is that will surely be drafted in the next year or two by SOMEONE.

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Can you imagine if we ever tanked and drafted the next Lebron or A. Davis..............would anyone really be sitting here and saying, "Well, gee whiz, it's great we landed an absolute STUD but I'm worried because we ruined our "winning culture" and we never developed a "system" as we were **** on our shoes game in and game out last year during our tankapolooza **** show"? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone should give their left nut to draft the next STUD at the top of the draft. We aren't even trying to get a Top 3 pick. It's absolutely insane.

[bs_and_cs]

Right.

Sully's making it seem like Rondo was both player and GM, as if Danny has no culpability here.

No way your going to get off on this that easy man. There is pages and pages on this forum about how the only reason Rondo didn't look like Chris Paul and Derrick Rose was because of Doc Rivers, or Ray Allen, or Paul Pierce. How he could do it he just didn't have the opportunity because of the roster. That once he got his shot we would all see how he could score and do it all and he would be an MVP candidate. This went on for years. Well 50 games into the Rajon Rondo Era none of what was promised showed up. That is the bottom line he was playing as bad a brand of basketball as he had in his whole career and he was getting photographed eating breakfast with Kobe Bryant before a game.

Now Rondo gets to go back to being the 4th option which will probably be great for him. But putting this on Danny Ainge is crazy, if Rondo had siezed the opportunity the same way Jeff Green has then he would probably still be wearing green and it would be about who want to come play here. But everyone can see what has been going on here. Marcu Smart is an inefficient mess but if he can stay on the floor for more than 10 mins in a game you see him impose his will and do it with the game on the line. With the game on the line Rondo needed a sub.

Spare me your revisionist bs, Sully. Jeff Green seized his opportunity after approximately after what 3 years of us waiting for him to seize it? Rondo gets 50 games coming off a major injury (and a broken knuckle) with a young team and young coach playing in a new system in a new role and you're like "he had his chance and he didn't seize it." Yo, give him a chance to fail, dude. He never got that chance, really. That's part of why this deal is so disappointing, he never got that chance. Jeff Green got 3 seasons and a new contract before he "seized his opportunity.' Rondo got 6 weeks, and about 10 games with Danny's big offseason acquisitions (Smart and Zeller).

Yeah, no **** Rondo only got 50 games. He tore his ACL, missed half of a season, was basically rehabbing the rest of the that season and then he became an expiring contract that was demanding a max deal.

It's not Danny's fault Rajon Rondo got hurt. Things might be very different had he been healthy.

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Would have been a great move to trade an injured player to a crappy team like Detroit. That would've been great for Ainge and the Celtics organization's reputation.

[FeedReed]

they gave rondo 21 games to be a leader of the team. he deserved better than that. wish ainge could've been traded instead, stevens can go too.

Danny AInge would probably tell you that they handed this team over to Rondo in '12-'13 and they have gone 32-58 with him and 41-53 without.

you can't possibly count last season though. this year the schedule started off tough. 9-14 to start the season wasn't too bad, and it'd only get a lot better. it's about to get a lot worse.

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Can you imagine if we ever tanked and drafted the next Lebron or A. Davis..............would anyone really be sitting here and saying, "Well, gee whiz, it's great we landed an absolute STUD but I'm worried because we ruined our "winning culture" and we never developed a "system" as we were **** on our shoes game in and game out last year during our tankapolooza **** show"? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone should give their left nut to draft the next STUD at the top of the draft. We aren't even trying to get a Top 3 pick. It's absolutely insane.

I'm going to block you after this post because I can see that your routine will never change and I have no interest in seeing what you write here anymore.

But just one last point. Just because you tank does not mean you will actually get a future superstar. Nothing guaranteed from tanking.

Peace!

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Would have been a great move to trade an injured player to a crappy team like Detroit. That would've been great for Ainge and the Celtics organization's reputation.

LOL, yet 20 minutes ago you were just acting like belichick was the greatest thing since sliced bread and he is notorious for having a cold blooded style and just traded Mankins away to Tampa Bay 2 weeks before the season. You think he gives a rip about his reputation or the Pats? Hell no and rightly so. You are all over the place man....

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Would have been a great move to trade an injured player to a crappy team like Detroit. That would've been great for Ainge and the Celtics organization's reputation.

LOL, yet 20 minutes ago you were just acting like belichick was the greatest thing since sliced bread and he is notorious for having a cold blooded style and just traded Mankins away to Tampa Bay 2 weeks before the season. You think he gives a rip about his reputation or the Pats? Hell no and rightly so. You are all over the place man....

lol last response to any of your posts.

You were talkin about the difference between these leagues. Well that's it. In the NFL players dont have guaranteed contracts and agents arent as powerful.

[The Rondo Show]

Can you imagine if we ever tanked and drafted the next Lebron or A. Davis..............would anyone really be sitting here and saying, "Well, gee whiz, it's great we landed an absolute STUD but I'm worried because we ruined our "winning culture" and we never developed a "system" as we were **** on our shoes game in and game out last year during our tankapolooza **** show"? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone should give their left nut to draft the next STUD at the top of the draft. We aren't even trying to get a Top 3 pick. It's absolutely insane.

I'm with you when it comes to tanking being the way to go, but not sure how we aren't even trying to get a top 3 pick when Ainge added absolutely nobody this off-season despite many opportunities to with all the picks/TE's/non-guaranteed deals he had and just dealt our best player for a draft pick and backups. He's also reportedly shopping our 2nd best player in Jeff Green all over the NBA currently. Sure seems like he's trying for a top 3 pick to me.

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Can you imagine if we ever tanked and drafted the next Lebron or A. Davis..............would anyone really be sitting here and saying, "Well, gee whiz, it's great we landed an absolute STUD but I'm worried because we ruined our "winning culture" and we never developed a "system" as we were **** on our shoes game in and game out last year during our tankapolooza **** show"? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone should give their left nut to draft the next STUD at the top of the draft. We aren't even trying to get a Top 3 pick. It's absolutely insane.

I'm going to block you after this post because I can see that your routine will never change and I have no interest in seeing what you write here anymore.

But just one last point. Just because you tank does not mean you will actually get a future superstar. Nothing guaranteed from tanking.

Peace!

Never said anything was guaranteed. What's riskier, tanking and getting a higher pick or trying to win meaningless games and giving yourself a worse draft pick? Are those 8-10 extra wins really that big of a deal in the long run and worth drafting #8 as opposed to #3 or #4? Hell no. Especially when you can tank and still hold on to Smart, KO, Sully and Young. Everyone else is no big loss as their upside is minimal at best in the long run. Peace.

[KJandHondo35]

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So lets just all stop trying to tear into one another and DA for this deal. It had to be done, DA got what was availible. Turn the page.

[bs_and_cs]

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This suggests to me that he wasn't giving 100% effort....which makes me

[KamikazeK]

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So lets just all stop trying to tear into one another and DA for this deal. It had to be done, DA got what was availible. Turn the page.

Well, let's hope Marcus can fit those shoes. I think he can if he can stay healthy, but that's a big IF at this point.

[ryaningf]

Anthony and Amare is exactly what Ainge should be avoiding they were losers before they got them and still are losers now. There is no environment or culture they are just guys with huge pay checks and stat lines.

HOU, GS, PORT, MEM, IND that is what Ainge has to be looking at. These are his own words prior to the trade:

“My job is to look at all the different ways and path ways to be a championship team,” said Ainge. “This is the time of year where there’s a lot of talking and calling going on. Part of my job is to explore our way to the next championship.
“Everybody wants a star first, but in lieu of getting a star — because there are very few of those for the 30 teams — the next option is draft picks, which you hope to find the next star in the draft. You need swings of the bat, so that would be next,” explained Ainge. “The next thing would be good, solid players – guys who could play a role on the team.
“I think Celtics fans want to see good team basketball and winning basketball,” said Ainge. “We need to start moving in that direction. I don’t know if stars are required. It’s assumed in the NBA that stars are needed, and that’s true, but there have been some successful teams without a star. But I have every intention of finding stars; great players who have a positive effect on winning.
“Not stars who people want to watch, but stars who help with winning basketball,” he said.

So why the pursuit of KLove then Danny?

Danny had already decided to trade Rondo by the time this interview occurred. Grand said he found out on Sunday, Tommy was dropping hints on air on Monday. Danny was just preparing the fanbase with this comments and so you take them with a grain of salt because we all know it takes 5 guys, a bench, and a good coach to be a .500 or better team.

The no-star equal opportunity youth movement is how the marketing department will sell this team. It might be fun but this league eats its young and no matter how many times Danny says "winning" this team he assembled better lose and lose big this season because otherwise he just cut off his nose to spite his face.

[truth18]

So, are we basically admitting we cannot attract free agents through this trade?