Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[Dave_From_NB]

So, are we basically admitting we cannot attract free agents through this trade?

I think we're basically admitting that Rondo won't attract free agents through this trade...

[sam_I_am]

All summer long people were demanding that Rondo be traded. I personally wanted Rondo here but if he was leaving anyway - what the heck. But this trade proves the point those of us against trading him made all along. He had absolutely no trade value as an expiring deal coming off an ACL. And we got nothing for him except the slim possibility that after this season Dirk Nowitski has a massive and sudden decline and Dallas misses playoffs. Missing the playoffs out West gets you a top 14 pick so we should be hoping that Dallas falls to ninth seed this year or next. Otherwise we pretty much got squat for Rondo.

[bs_and_cs]

All summer long people were demanding that Rondo be traded. I personally wanted Rondo here but if he was leaving anyway - what the heck. But this trade proves the point those of us against trading him made all along. He had absolutely no trade value as an expiring deal coming off an ACL. And we got nothing for him except the slim possibility that after this season Dirk Nowitski has a massive and sudden decline and Dallas misses playoffs. Missing the playoffs out West gets you a top 14 pick so we should be hoping that Dallas falls to ninth seed this year or next. Otherwise we pretty much got squat for Rondo.

So we should have kept Rondo and let him walk for nothing?

It's clear now that Rondo wanted out, so why all the fuss?

[GuyClinch]

If Ainge made a mistake is was not trading Rondo as soon as he had given up on the big 3. He likely was hoping he would play better and we could get more value from him. As soon as he realized that was not happening he cut his losses.

Rondo would have walked so getting an extra shot at a superstar is always worth it. Once we recognize drafting is imperfect - you want to load up on picks. Picks lock in talent and relatively low prices AND they give you a shot at a big time player. The only thing better is massive cap space and a very attractive franchise location.

[bballcool34]

I wonder what will happen to Rondo's value at the end of the year if the Mavs play worse with him. I realize it's unlikely, but they are playing at a pretty high level right now, sometimes chemistry can get ruined with a trade. Also, Rondo has never played for another team, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts. I have a feeling he was very well catered to by Ainge and co even when things weren't going well. Will the Mavs treat him the same way? Especially if he isn't a fit? Then who picks him up at the end of the year and for how much?

The Lowe article covers this nicely---Dallas is historic levels good on offense and adding Rondo isn't likely to have a positive effect there on average given his shooting woes and the fact that Dallas outside of Dirk isn't a great shooting team already. But Dallas has struggled against the top of the West and that's what matters come playoff time. So they're banking on Rondo being that wild card that can give them an edge. Hope it works, would be great to see Rondo succeed again.

[soxfan2003]

All summer long people were demanding that Rondo be traded. I personally wanted Rondo here but if he was leaving anyway - what the heck. But this trade proves the point those of us against trading him made all along. He had absolutely no trade value as an expiring deal coming off an ACL. And we got nothing for him except the slim possibility that after this season Dirk Nowitski has a massive and sudden decline and Dallas misses playoffs. Missing the playoffs out West gets you a top 14 pick so we should be hoping that Dallas falls to ninth seed this year or next. Otherwise we pretty much got squat for Rondo.

It hardly proves that if you go back to the summer of 2013 especially. All it proves is Rondo playing poorly by his standards after his ACL injury lowered his trade value. THAT was the argument I was making with "walls of text" like a madman since I am a passionate Celtics fanatic and do not want to see the team suffer through the doldrums that were the post Bird years. Rebuilding it tough so I wanted the Celtics to do it right. I knew from watching the NBA too much over the years that it made sense to trade Rondo immediately. Ainge made a mistake but fortunately he cut his losses and did not compound it by signing Rondo to an extension. And his mistake was not trading Rondo earlier within a month of the PP/KG trade. Yes, Ainge could have come out ahead in his Rondo gamble but I thought all along it was a terrible bet. Even a Celtics future with Love signed to a max contract and Rondo at a near max contract would not have been that good. Replace Lebron with Jeff Green and how good are those Cavs?

At least 85% of the people on this forum downplayed what his acl injury/age may meant, I thought I was arguing with people with blinders on at times.

If folks noticed, my "trade Rondo" rants in the summer of 2014 where only 1/4 of what they probably were in the summer of 2013 at my peak and before he came back from ACL injury since I realized once he got on the court and did not play well, his value DROPPED like a stone.

I never questioned for a single second Rondo coming back from his ACL injury but I surely questioned like a madman him playing well with the Celtics after that injury.

When I heard Ainge say that Rondo was poised to have the best season of his career, I trusted that statement much less than words from a used car salesman. And I like Ainge a lot but I cannot believe for a single second he really believed it in the way some members of the public probably did.

[Banks2Pierce]

If Ainge made a mistake is was not trading Rondo as soon as he had given up on the big 3. He likely was hoping he would play better and we could get more value from him. As soon as he realized that was not happening he cut his losses.

He's been trying to offering him out there for a year now. Lowe said he's been on the block for 2 or 3 picks, which means no one offered that, and now we got a pick. To me, that says that his market actually hasn't changed that much from last deadline to this point.

[jfs1000d]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

[bballcool34]

It's not silly at all actually because he drafted him when he knew he could get him (at the right price). He stuck with him when he easily could've gotten cut. Then gave him the nod when the "star" went down. And stuck with him when the star returned.

Stars can be found, kept and developed in much the same manner in the NBA.

Having that coach who can see that this guy or that has something special is a huge part of building a winner. Do we really think Pop had no hand in picking the players in SA?

The Spurs???????????? How many titles does Pop own if he never got Duncan at #1??????????????? Z-E-R-O. Jesus.

Okay and how many does that franchise win without Manu and Tony Parker?

I don't understand this argument. Ainge is the main drafter, he's not going to lose this ability by tanking this year.

[Ben-N1ce]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

[KGboss]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

Rondo was having a very off year offensively with no light at the end of the tunnel. This is why I feel giving Smart the green light we will all be pleasently surprised at what PG scoring actually looks like.

[Ben-N1ce]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

Rondo was having a very off year offensively with no light at the end of the tunnel. This is why I feel giving Smart the green light we will all be pleasently surprised at what PG scoring actually looks like.

I'm not convinced Smart can score chucking 3's but I know for sure Rondo can never become a scorer. He's literally incapable.

[Ben-N1ce]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

Rondo was having a very off year offensively with no light at the end of the tunnel. This is why I feel giving Smart the green light we will all be pleasently surprised at what PG scoring actually looks like.

I'm not convinced Smart can consistently score chucking 3's but I know for sure Rondo can never become a scorer. He's literally incapable.

[soxfan2003]

All summer long people were demanding that Rondo be traded. I personally wanted Rondo here but if he was leaving anyway - what the heck. But this trade proves the point those of us against trading him made all along. He had absolutely no trade value as an expiring deal coming off an ACL. And we got nothing for him except the slim possibility that after this season Dirk Nowitski has a massive and sudden decline and Dallas misses playoffs. Missing the playoffs out West gets you a top 14 pick so we should be hoping that Dallas falls to ninth seed this year or next. Otherwise we pretty much got squat for Rondo.

So we should have kept Rondo and let him walk for nothing?

It's clear now that Rondo wanted out, so why all the fuss?

Has it leaked that Rondo wanted out? I wanted him traded but I am only operating under the assumption is that he was not about to give the Celtics a major discount in FA for reasons I actually understand and do not blame him for.

I could have seen him staying in Boston but perhaps I am wrong. I do think Rondo was intelligent enough to recognize that it did not make much sense for the Celtics to keep him and for him to stay in Boston given the dynamics of the situation.

Rondo is much better fit with Dallas than on this current Celtics roster but who knows if he wanted to uproot his family before the end of the season. I suspect he did not but I also figure Dallas was in his top 3 teams that he would not have minded being traded to this season.

[Slartibartfast]

Did you guys look at Rondo's stats.

Only one game this year, out of 22 played, where he had more than 15.

He had 2 pts, 10 assists
5 pts, 7 assists
0 pts, 3 assists

Sandwiched around
12 pts, 10 assists
13 pts, 15 assists

He's had some great games, and some truly awful games. HOW the heck can you build around that?

Give me 10 ppg, reduced turnovers, and some ball movement and spacing on offense (shooting!) over the high assist numbers.

Rondo was also at about 4 turnovers a game this year.

Rondo was having a very off year offensively with no light at the end of the tunnel. This is why I feel giving Smart the green light we will all be pleasently surprised at what PG scoring actually looks like.

If PG scoring is your thing, the current version of Smart might not be the wagon you want to hitch up to. The only guys on the team shooting worse than Rondo was are the guys who are replacing him!

[KGboss]

The guys replacing him are shooting 30% from the free throw line? Interesting.

[GuyClinch]

It hardly proves that if you go back to the summer of 2013 especially. All it proves is Rondo playing poorly by his standards after his ACL injury lowered his trade value. THAT was the argument I was making with "walls of text" like a madman since I am a passionate Celtics fanatic and do not want to see the team suffer through the doldrums that were the post Bird years. Rebuilding it tough so I wanted the Celtics to do it right. I knew from watching the NBA too much over the years that it made sense to trade Rondo immediately.

You were right - and a lot of people were wrong. People don't really want to hear it - especially if its about the teams best player.

Most sports fans are more emotional then rational. Even till the day he was traded we had guys arguing that Rondo was playing great which is almost mind blowing. The hullabloo about the Mankins trade was a classic example. Honestly if I am Dallas I am bit nervous. I thought Perkins was a bit overrated but holy **** did that guy fall off the map. Rondo is in the perfect place and has the perfect team for his flawed game.. But I think people are really underestimating the risk Dallas is taking here.

What probably sold Dallas was the distinct possibility that Rondo was mailing it in. I mean think my tiny g/f who doesn't even play hoops anymore could hit 33% of her FTs. Was Rondo even trying? OTOH damn what if he was trying..!

I still think Dallas will come out ahead but its not as clear cut as people think. Perkins lost so much after his injury - maybe Rondo is in the same boat.

[darrendaye]

It's a bit funny that there is push-back on the return the Celts got on here considering we've read as a mantra on this board that nobody "trades big for small" and a group of us were hoping for a rim protector for Rondo in return all along.

But seriously, Ainge's "hand" in any Rondo trade got a serious slap once he suffered the ACL injury. I felt all along that that must have been a crushing blow to several of the paths he was considering taking at the time. I'm pretty intrigued with how the rest of this season plays out. Wright might not be long for the team and I'm not claiming he is a starting level player, but he does change the defensive and potentially offensive dynamic on the team when he is out there. While Zeller is quite nifty and effective when he receives these big to big passes underneath, Wright can simply elevate over people for a flush in those scenarios. Wright also allows Olynyk to move to the 4 more often.

[bballcool34]

Brandon Wright isn't really a rim protector. Good player, crazy efficient around the rim (would have looked great with Rondo) but not a rim protector.

[Parliament10]

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