Lets talk about the Trade Exception acquired

[Andrew McCeltic]

What it means is that we can sign free agents up to the cap this summer, then add a player worth 12.9 million.

It also gives us a ton of flexibility in trades. I'd be looking at New Orleans and Indiana- we have expirings, a huge exception, Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace- would Indiana give up their lottery pick this year to have David West and George Hill taken off their hands? Can we do TE for Ryan Anderson and Green/Bass for Eric Gordon/1st? Flip Anderson to the Kings for Mclemore, Gordon to Indiana.. You can get creative if you're willing to play with some bad money.

This is not accurate to clear the salary cap to sign FA's you would have to renounce the exception.

Really? That's unfortunate.. I guess we won't be a free agent player this summer anyway if Rondo's gone.. If you have a young, cheap team, you can take on bad contracts to get picks.

[Captain_Caveman]

We are already slated to have $30m+ in cap room from now until forever, so it doesn't mean much.

We could conceivably use it at the deadline, or to preserve exceptions and Bird Rights in the offseason, but chances are that it will just expire.

I seriously doubt that Danny will let that TPE expire, with his current track record of using them up.

What I am really saying is that our impending cap room makes most of the possibilities the TPE could be utilized in kind of obsolete. We can already absorb a $15m guy without really sending anything in return.

[Elrod is Back]

Let's say we are at $47 million in salaries with the draft picks signed and everything accounted for in July 2015. Let's say the cap is set at $61 million for 2015-16 season. Let's say the luxury tax kicks in at $75 million. (I am pulling the last figure out of the air or some other place).

Then Danny gets two cracks at asset collection. First, he can absorb a contract or contracts up to $14 million. He can take a one-year deal from a team eager to dump a dead-wight contract--Eric Gordon, anyone?-- and get a future no. 1 pick. New Orleans then has capspace to go after a much better player than Eric Gordon.

Then the Cs are at the salary cap and cannot sign anyone above the cap. That is where the exception becomes valuable, as it is identical to having a player under contract, which you can trade for equal value if you are over the cap. The Cs can then do the same thing with, say, the Hornets, and get the expiring deals of Marvin Williams and Gerald Henderson for another no. 1 pick. The Hornets then have room to get a good player and don't have to pay for dead weight.

Come the summer of 2016 the Cs wipe all those salaries off the books and remain well below the cap, but we have at least two additional future no. 1 picks.

[sully00]

How far are we under the tax now?

I'd imagine Ainge will offer the TE around to take on a contract that brings us right back up to the edge for a minor asset.

It seems BOS went from 2mil to 7mil under. BOS is not hard capped so they could technically use the TPE and go over the tax.

[sully00]

We are already slated to have $30m+ in cap room from now until forever, so it doesn't mean much.

We could conceivably use it at the deadline, or to preserve exceptions and Bird Rights in the offseason, but chances are that it will just expire.

I seriously doubt that Danny will let that TPE expire, with his current track record of using them up.

What I am really saying is that our impending cap room makes most of the possibilities the TPE could be utilized in kind of obsolete. We can already absorb a $15m guy without really sending anything in return.

Two things about this are that the TPE can be used at the Draft and prior to FA. Actually clearing cap space involves renouncing FAs and any exceptions. So with Danny's recent affinity for the TPE it may be more useful to maintain the exceptions, FA rights as well as the MLE (which you lose when you go under the cap). If your not targeting a 20 mil guy it may make more sense to see what you can do with trades before putting yourself in a situation where you end up paying more for a guy than you have to just because you can.

[Fencer reregistered]

I was under the impression you couldn't go over the actual value of the exemption??

Same here.

[Fencer reregistered]

It's $12.9 Mil, and we can obtain a player up to $15 Mil with it. It expires one year from it's date of origin.

No trade exceptions do not work that way. Here is the simple rule you cannot combine exceptions. The traded player exception is an exception so you can't combine it with 25% or 50% exception.

The exception itself allows you to acquire a player who makes 12.9 mil or less.

My reading of the CBA is that a non-tax paying team sending out $9.8 million to $19.6 million can receive in return the amount of the outgoing salary plus $5 million. Is that incorrect when applied to exceptions?

Yes, it is incorrect.

[165bows]

How far are we under the tax now?

I'd imagine Ainge will offer the TE around to take on a contract that brings us right back up to the edge for a minor asset.

Sully has it right above, they are at 69+ now with the tax being 76 and change. And agree with you on how they use it. Have to go back through the clubs and see if any obvious moves are out there.

[darrendaye]

As I was with the BRK TPE, when many were dismissing Ainge making use of it (including at least one prominent poster on this thread), I'm very curious how Ainge will navigate this scenario to use this asset.

Sully's theoretical proposal makes sense, but Ainge would likely need to have already set the stage for this transaction, imo. I also think it's possible Ainge will target players with contracts that extend at least until next year so that they are over the cap in 15-16 and maintain the TPE to use when he looks to trade the expiring deals Green, Bass, Thornton, etc.

Ainge can still likely use Wallace's expiring deal in the off-season and package with picks to afford them sign and trade opportunities for free agents (particularly if the agent is directing the action as a take it or get nothing situation in the case of unrestricted guys.)

In trade, I'm looking at Eric Gordon or Galinari type if these teams want to clear cap next year while possibly improving their chances this season.

[165bows]

As I was with the BRK TPE, when many were dismissing Ainge making use of it (including at least one prominent poster on this thread), I'm very curious how Ainge will navigate this scenario to use this asset.

Sully's theoretical proposal makes sense, but Ainge would likely need to have already set the stage for this transaction, imo. I also think it's possible Ainge will target players with contracts that extend at least until next year so that they are over the cap in 15-16 and maintain the TPE to use when he looks to trade the expiring deals Green, Bass, Thornton, etc.

Ainge can still likely use Wallace's expiring deal in the off-season and package with picks to afford them sign and trade opportunities for free agents (particularly if the agent is directing the action as a take it or get nothing situation in the case of unrestricted guys.)

In trade, I'm looking at Eric Gordon or Galinari type if these teams want to clear cap next year while possibly improving their chances this season.

Along with Jeff Green the other big decision for them is what happens to next summer's cap space. They definitely could look to use it to absorb unwanted deals for assets. Green for Eric Gordon and a future first or something along those lines.

I do wonder though if declining to take on Jameer Nelson's $4M money next year from Dallas means anything. Maybe Dallas didn't want to pay more in order to dump him, but on the other hand Ainge had several quotes about not wanting to make a deal that hurts future flexibility.

In terms of one year deals, Toronto has Hayes/Fields, Memphis has Tayshaun Prince and even Brooklyn might move Garnett if they are out of the playoffs to save themselves some tax money.

[Chris4Vikes]

Well, for what it's worth, I researched the player exceptions held around the league. No team has one half the size of $12.9 million. There are a couple of teams with PEs in the low $6 million range, and a couple in the $5+ million range. But NOTHING CLOSE TO $12.9 MILLION.

Seems that in the right circumstance, the Cs might be in the driver's seat. But then again, I do not fully understand this issue.

[Chris4Vikes]

Can the Cs trade the player exception to a team that truly needs it? For example, let's say the Knicks want to sign a $10 million player this year and can't due to cap restrictions. Can the Cs send the exception to the Knicks for a pick?

Obviously this is just hypothetical.

[brackdan70]

Player Contracts here.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/con ... ayers.html

I don't really see any realistic opportunities for acquiring a valuable player this year... and I said that about the Pierce TPE too so what do I know. There are definitely a lot of good players making 12.9 pretty much al I like are also highly valued by their own teams.

I wonder about Isiah Thomas though??? pick/s and half the TPE and we can stay under the Tax.Also we have until this time next year...so my guess is Danny waits until after the draft and perhaps pulls something off like the Zeller Thornton move...minor, but positive. Larry Sanders fits...but do we want him?

[jfs1000d]

TPE is goo for a year, right? So we max out our cap space with players, then we acquire a player after we max out for draft picks.

Ainge knows what he's doing. I think generating that TPE is why the Mavs deal was picked over perhaps the Lakers or the Kings deal.

[165bows]

I'd like to see something like Perk and OKC's 2015 first to Boston, Jason Smith and Shane Larkin to OKC, financial savings to NY with maybe a 2nd from someone or one of OKC's int'l rights guys.

NY's going nowhere and would save 10M+ in tax for guys they probably don't bring back. OKC saves money and can make a run at Ray Allen with some of their leftover MLE, having dropped well below the tax.

Boston would have to shed a bit of cash elsewhere most likely to take on that much money, though possibly not depending on when in the season it happened. The pick could be top-20 protected and would be lower 20s somewhere most likely.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

How about we trade Brad Stevens for some Cash.. Knowinh his coaching skills we wont be able to get much... But he needs to get out!

bro you need to chill on these comments, we know how you feel lol.

[sully00]

Can the Cs trade the player exception to a team that truly needs it? For example, let's say the Knicks want to sign a $10 million player this year and can't due to cap restrictions. Can the Cs send the exception to the Knicks for a pick?

Obviously this is just hypothetical.

You can't sign a FA with a TPE.

Boston can use their TPE to acquire contracts from a team and that team can then create their own TPE. The problem at the moment is that Boston isn't likely to add 12.9 mil in salary. Finding a taker for Bass or Thornton could change that.

[SMTBSI]

It's $12.9 Mil, and we can obtain a player up to $15 Mil with it. It expires one year from it's date of origin.

No trade exceptions do not work that way. Here is the simple rule you cannot combine exceptions. The traded player exception is an exception so you can't combine it with 25% or 50% exception.

The exception itself allows you to acquire a player who makes 12.9 mil or less.

Correct, with one minor correction. TPEs do have the same 100k buffer that most other exceptions have[1]. So Rondo's 12.909091mil TPE lets us acquire a player up to 13.009091mil.


The obvious advantage is being able to take back more salary in a trade than the normal simultaneous trade rules[2] would allow. But it doesn't necessarily just have to be the case of taking back someone else's 13mil player for "free". It gives us increased trade flexibility in other ways too.

For (a completely hypothetical) example, imagine some opportunity came up to trade Bass (6.9mil) and Wright (5mil) to some team for their 12mil player, tomorrow. This trade is legal financially, but illegal because Wright's salary can't be aggregated for 60 days. If we use the TPE to take that 12mil player, the trade can happen, because aggregation is no longer occurring. We're just taking that 12mil player back into the TPE to "complete" the Rondo trade, and also sending Bass and Wright to that team for a 6.9mil and a 5mil TPE.



The other nice thing about having such a large TPE is this: say we don't go the route of adding a 12mil player, but just use the TPE up slowly in a series of smaller transactions. As long as we don't hit the tax (unless we wanted to), it means we could just basically get to completely ignore the salary trade rules until we've used it up.

Want to send our 2mil guy out for their 5mil guy? Done. Later on we send Bass somewhere for a 6.9mil TPE. Later on we want to trade our 3mil guy for their 6mil guy? Done (with the Bass exception). Then later another with a 4mil guy going out for an 8mil guy? Done (with the remainder of the Rondo exception).



Point is, TPEs just let you fudge around a lot of technicalities. Danny seems to love collecting them, because it just lets you widen the range of trades you can pull off, and the teams you can pull them off with.

[humblebum]

Put me on the get Garnett bandwagon.

[sully00]

TPE is goo for a year, right? So we max out our cap space with players, then we acquire a player after we max out for draft picks.

Ainge knows what he's doing. I think generating that TPE is why the Mavs deal was picked over perhaps the Lakers or the Kings deal.

On the first part you have to renounce all of you exceptions to get under the cap. Because of FA cap holds you don't have to go under the cap just because you don't have guaranteed salary. It may very well make more sense to use the TPE, MLE, and hold on to players FA rights.

Agreed that Ainge understands the value of the TPE it is what the expiring contract used to be. Their really wasn't a Kings deal they chose not to make an offer based on what Ainge was asking for and got from DAL. HOU was also just trying to drive up the price for Rondo they don't really have the contracts to match up. Part of Ainge's perceived rush to make a deal was that this wasn't the best deal he got offered it was the only legit offer he had.