Mike Budenholzer: is he the greatest?

[chrismikayla]

Less talent? Hawks were cheap during the time Drew and Woodson coached the team, you've had players out of their prime coming off the bench like McGrady, Dampier, Jason Collins.

Teague > Bibby/Hinrich/Teague
Korver < Joe
Carroll > Marvin
Millsap > Josh
Horford = Horford

Plus the Hawks bench got studs that could start on other teams like Schoeder.

Panda was talking about talent, not overall game. I think Marvin and Josh were WAY more talented than Carroll and Millsap. To me, draft position is a pretty good metric for quantifying talent. Williams was #2 overall pick and Josh was a mid-1st rd. pick (many of whom thought was a steal at that slot), while Carroll and Millsap were late 1st and 2nd rd. picks, respectively. That at least helps to justify the statement that they were more talented players than Carroll and Millsap. With that being said, I believe commitment, work ethic, and coachability have made Carroll and Millsap much better players over time than Marvin and Josh. But I definitely wouldn't say they were more talented.

Not sure the gap is that big in talent between Smith/Marvin and Milsap/Carroll. Regardless like you said the key is maximizing your talent and playing to your strengths while knowing your limitations. Josh and to a lesser extent Marvin did not do this.

[Renmazuo]

If Bud simply make it to a ECF he would be our greatest coach ever in Atlanta Hawks history. He got the team playing very well and playing well together. Hopefully the team can stay healthy and play this well when the playoffs start. That is always a concern which is the team might peak too early.

[Jamaaliver]

I drool at the thought of Marvin Williams playing in this system. Whether as starter or off the bench. Whether at PF or SF. He'd have been amazing in this system that emphasizes unselfishness, passing and moving without the ball.

[PandaKidd]

Mike Woodson (53-29) doe and 2nd round playoffs
Larry Drew 2nd round of playoffs doe

Now, Bud has been here only 1.2 years, and has had SIGNIFICANTLY less talent than Drew and Woodson had. This is his year IMO. This is his roster, the east has never been weaker, we will see.

I think after 1 win vs a Bulls team missing Noah and 1 win vs the Cavaliers (considering they HAMMERED US IN THE SAME FASHION a month ago), lets not get ahead of ourselves.

This team is intriguing , last night was the first time I said to myself "this is a "SPURS" effort/team". I saw flashes of it before, last night was the whole package, defense, offense, unselfishness, etc.

Lets see if they can sustain it.

Less talent? Hawks were cheap during the time Drew and Woodson coached the team, you've had players out of their prime coming off the bench like McGrady, Dampier, Jason Collins.

Teague > Bibby/Hinrich/Teague
Korver < Joe
Carroll > Marvin
Millsap > Josh
Horford = Horford

Plus the Hawks bench got studs that could start on other teams like Schoeder.

i dont think its that hard to understand.

Woodson/Drew and 3 borderline Allstars (JJ, SMoov, Horford)

Im not sure Bud has more than 1 right now, MAYBE 2 but Horford isnt making All Star at C

Edit: I see why you are confused, I said TALENT, not WINS, not which team was BETTER, im talking TALENT. Bud has done more with LESS, IMO. But lets not act like Woodson and Drew were TERRIBLE, they had 50+ win seasons, second round playoff birth.