GT: Brooklyn Nets vs Detroit Pistons

[DarkXaero]

Lol at Josh Smith and Lance Stephenson on the same roster, let alone the same lineup.

Bad attitudes + talent> Bad Foot + Bad Ankles

Not sure if I agree with that.

[NyCeEvO]

Lol at Josh Smith and Lance Stephenson on the same roster, let alone the same lineup.

Bad attitudes + talent> Bad Foot + Bad Ankles

Not sure if I agree with that.

One guy is a horrible free throw shooter, takes too many terrible outside shot a and is bad contract.

The other guy caused a playoff team to self - destruct and his new team (predicted to improve upon their good year last season) has already publicly stated how detrimental to the team he is.

Just the recipe for team success, huh?

[MrDollarBills]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

If they were our bench dudes and we had a legit player at their position they would be considered a luxury. RIght now, no. Neither of them are starters.

I would like to see Brown get a chance, but whatever,

[MrDollarBills]

Bad attitudes + talent> Bad Foot + Bad Ankles

Not sure if I agree with that.

One guy is a horrible free throw shooter, takes too many terrible outside shot a and is bad contract.

The other guy caused a playoff team to self - destruct and his new team (predicted to improve upon their good year last season) has already publicly stated how detrimental to the team he is.

Just the recipe for team success, huh?

I'll take a chance with Lance over Josh Smith.

[NyCeEvO]

Not sure if I agree with that.

One guy is a horrible free throw shooter, takes too many terrible outside shot a and is bad contract.

The other guy caused a playoff team to self - destruct and his new team (predicted to improve upon their good year last season) has already publicly stated how detrimental to the team he is.

Just the recipe for team success, huh?

I'll take a chance with Lance over Josh Smith.

So would I, but that still doesn't put Lance in my good graces yet.

Considering his extremely low value, I'd need a 1st Rd pick in return.

[MrDollarBills]

In return for Brook Lopez? No one is giving us a 1st rd pick for our garbage.

Mason Plumlee is scoring and rebounding right now that Brook hasn't done in years. I see a guy out there playing who wants to win games and plays like it at his position.

I'll take what I can get for a max player like Lopez who isn't worth the max.

I'd get rid of both Brook and D-Will tomorrow for what would be rumored to be in return.

[CalamityX12]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

Not sure if serious???

[Paradise]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

Not sure if serious???

12 points from Sergey on Friday, 23 combined points between Bogs/Sergey tonight.

Posting without thinking has become a common theme around here lately.

[Shook Jones]

A win is a win. As long as we dont fall out the playoffs this I'm good.

[MGrand15]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

If they were our bench dudes and we had a legit player at their position they would be considered a luxury. RIght now, no. Neither of them are starters.

I would like to see Brown get a chance, but whatever,

If we end up stealing Lance, they could fit into their proper roles. Both of them can't really defend dynamic wings. There's a lot of them in this league. I think Bojan does a better job in isolation, he just hasn't picked up NBA team defense + navigating screens and stuff like that. Good for the future since it's learned through experience. Not good for right now.

[Albanian Damien]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

Not sure if serious???

12 points from Sergey on Friday, 23 combined points between Bogs/Sergey tonight.

Posting without thinking has become a common theme around here lately.

Hmm I don't think Dollars Bills was necessarily wrong tbh. Look at both of their game logs:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2015/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2015/

I think they have fundamental offensive skills but they just look slow attacking the rim.They only thing they honestly contribute to offense is three point shooting to be perfectly frank but they both are extremely streaky shooters. That's usually a recipe for disaster. As for defense, I haven't seen any notable defensive plays, nor have I seen any stats indicating that they're a plus on that side but my eye test says that neither is very good on that end either. Now I'm not going to say they suck or that they're worthless but neither of them is starter material on a good team, which albeit the Nets are not one at all but that's at least the standard they're hoping to meet. I think those two off the bench as 2nd/3rd string depending on whose hotter would be much better. At the moment thought there's just not many options to put before them

[Paradise]

Not sure if serious???

12 points from Sergey on Friday, 23 combined points between Bogs/Sergey tonight.

Posting without thinking has become a common theme around here lately.

Hmm I don't think Dollars Bills was necessarily wrong tbh. Look at both of their game logs:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2015/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2015/

I think they have fundamental offensive skills but they just look slow attacking the rim.They only thing they honestly contribute to offense is three point shooting to be perfectly frank but they both are extremely streaky shooters. That's usually a recipe for disaster. As for defense, I haven't seen any notable defensive plays, nor have I seen any stats indicating that they're a plus on that side but my eye test says that neither is very good on that end either. Now I'm not going to say they suck or that they're worthless but neither of them is starter material on a good team, which albeit the Nets are not one at all but that's at least the standard they're hoping to meet. I think those two off the bench as 2nd/3rd string depending on whose hotter would be much better. At the moment thought there's just not many options to put before them

1. Kerasev got to the line 4 times vs Detroit. Got to the line 3 times vs Miami.

2. Caldwell-Pope made 2 shots/missed 4 being defended by Sergey. In contrast, Caldwell-Pope made 4 shots/missed 1 being defended by Joe.

It doesn't matter if they wouldn't start full-time on a good team. This is not a good team. The whole point of them getting heavy playing time is for development purposes. Everyone on this board loves to bitch and moan about lack of draft picks, youth, and wanting a rebuild but here we are with two 1st round picks that need development and they are getting trashed after a productive game from both.

[MrDollarBills]

Karasev and Bogs both suck.

Not sure if serious???

12 points from Sergey on Friday, 23 combined points between Bogs/Sergey tonight.

Posting without thinking has become a common theme around here lately.

No need to get snippy, I just don't think that either player overall is that good or starter quality from what I've seen thus far. Awful defensively. A good game against a garbage team doesn't change that. It's a fair assessment. Neither of them are deadly knockdown shooters, they're both average at that part of the game as well.

He got to the line 4 times against Detroit, okay. Great. I'll remember that awesome stat next time he's getting annihilated by an opposing two guard on a team worth a damn.

I'm not saying bench them or don't develop them but we frankly need better at the two and have one of these guys supplement that instead of being heavily relied upon. Karasev is barely shooting above 30% from 3, and is a matador defensively. Bogs to me has gotten worse since the year has gone on.

[Paradise]

No need to get snippy, I just don't think that either player overall is that good or starter quality from what I've seen thus far. Awful defensively. A good game against a garbage team doesn't change that. It's a fair assessment. Neither of them are deadly knockdown shooters, they're both average at that part of the game as well.

Both are essentially rookies. There is plenty of time for that to improve. We went through this already with Mirza and Plumlee.

I'm not saying bench them or don't develop them but we frankly need better at the two and have one of these guys supplement that instead of being heavily relied upon. Karasev is barely shooting above 30% from 3, and is a matador defensively. Bogs to me has gotten worse since the year has gone on.

He has literally started 6 games after getting no burn the first month of the season. Drawing conclusions from a sample size does not define a player. I'm not saying these guys are the next Chris Mullen or anything but they have talent that needs to be developed and so far both have provided nothing but spacing, rebounding, cutting and the knack to move without the ball. Something we desperately need to fit this system.

Yes, we need an upgrade but the reality is we aren't going to be adding any salary and no upgrade is walking through any doors until we get somebody in a package for Lopez or D-Will.

[MrDollarBills]

Fair enough, I'll be a bit more patient. I do like both players, just not overall impressed so far.

I also would like to see Markel Brown be given a chance.

[Prokorov]

i wouldnt get on bogs or karasev... both are virtual rookies who have seen little NBA action, and have been forced to play with black holes like lopez and poor defenders up and down the lineup. not an easy transition for rookies.

[Shook Jones]

I liked what I saw from Morris once he calmed down. He was getting inside the paint and I loved the Eurostep on the fast break.