Pistons WAIVE Josh Smith

[Snakebites]

So with the previous cap space of $2.2 mil ish. And the stretch provision taking us from paying Smith $13.5 mil to about $5.2 mil. Does this all mean we have $10 mil in cap space?

This year's cap hit/salary has no change. The stretch is used on the remaining money after this year.

Yeah, no change until the offseason, when we'll save about 8 million.

This team will look a lot different next season, for better or worse.

[chrbal]

I think that they thought they could drive up his value, SVG said nice things about Smith (whether that was the reality or not). Then sometime this week Bower, SVG, and some others in the front office had a closed door meeting saying that the only offer was a "Ben Gordon offer" and that this franchise couldn't do that again. Leading up to them working out the decision to waive him, but make the press release make it more about direction and less about Josh Smiths poor fit with this team.

[The Penguin]

So with the previous cap space of $2.2 mil ish. And the stretch provision taking us from paying Smith $13.5 mil to about $5.2 mil. Does this all mean we have $10 mil in cap space?

This year's cap hit/salary has no change. The stretch is used on the remaining money after this year.

Yeah, no change until the offseason, when we'll save about 8 million.

This team will look a lot different next season, for better or worse.

As long we don't trade Drummond for a sack of magic beans, I'm not sure it can be worse.

[Snakebites]

Teams try not to show their dirty laundry in public.

Nobody knows how bad things got behind the scenes leading up to this, and we probably never will.

The important thing is that he's gone.

[Snakebites]

This year's cap hit/salary has no change. The stretch is used on the remaining money after this year.

Yeah, no change until the offseason, when we'll save about 8 million.

This team will look a lot different next season, for better or worse.

As long we don't trade Drummond for a sack of magic beans, I'm not sure it can be worse.

Touché.

[sfballa13]

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

[rmfc]

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

Well said.

[The Penguin]

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

The simple truth is we don't know what was really offered in trade negotiations. Some people are saying it was Smith for expiring deals, others are saying it was Smith + an unprotected 1st for contracts nearly as bad. There were also rumors last year at the deadline someone offered us expiring deals for Smith. But, again, none of us were there and they were just rumors.

I can't fault Stan for wanting to take a shot at making the 3 big rotation work. We've all discussed it and it seems like on paper it can work and would be our only competitive advantage. It seems that Monroe & Smith just did not get along and had little to no interest in making things work between each other.

Whatever offer the Kings made was either not worth pursing or no longer on the table. We can't complain about potential deals we should have done when the reality is none of us know the truth behind any of the rumors.

[MotownMadness]

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

Youre right but in fairness Stan was only on the job for a couple months and had alot on his plate with getting in our DLeague, Finding a GM, The Draft, FA etc... He probably wanted to at least wait and have a practice with the players first or at least play Smith at the 4 to see how it goes. Give the guy a minute too evaluate things which now he has and hes making the right moves.

[DBC10]

Also from a reference to a post last night about talent always trumping skill.

Smith proves that claim is false. Absolutely.

[The Penguin]

Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.


The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

Youre right but in fairness Stan was only on the job for a couple months and had alot on his plate with getting in our DLeague, Finding a GM, The Draft, FA etc... He probably wanted to at least wait and have a practice with the players first or at least play Smith at the 4 to see how it goes. Give the guy a minute too evaluate things which now he has and hes making the right moves.

We can't discount that all reports said Stan and Josh talked frequently this summer. I'm sure Josh told Stan everything he would want to hear about shot selection, playing whatever role necessary and falling in line. I'd be very surprised if he told his new boss "I hear what your saying, but I'm going to go ahead and keep chucking long shots and mailing it in on defense, you should probably trade me."

[Neptune]

I always knew Smith wasn't going to be traded, but waiving the guy is just mind blowing. Wow man, this guy Gores is a character for giving Josh the opportunity to sign with a top notch team.

Houston will be my second favorite team when he signs with them within the next couple of days.

[Snakebites]

We do not KNOW for sure what the Kings offer in the offseason was.

If it really was Thompson/Williams with no pick added on our end then of course it was a bad decision not to take that. But we don't know that for sure.

Wow Neptune, I had no idea there were Pistons fans that still liked Josh Smith. I guess we still have Flat-Earthers, too, so its not that crazy.

[DetroitSho]

I always knew Smith wasn't going to be traded, but waiving the guy is just mind blowing. Wow man, this guy Gores is a character for giving Josh the opportunity to sign with a top notch team.

Houston will be my second favorite team when he signs with them within the next couple of days.

Just wow. Your last name is either Smith, Jennings or Blaha. I'm convinced.

[ImHeisenberg]

Brandon Jennings, you're on notice.


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I have to imagine he's much more tradeable. I mean $8M though next season for a rotation guard is a good deal when you consider we'd be taking somebody/contract back.

He should be easy to move this summer, at least. It would depend on Detroit's asking price.

If Detroit just wanted an expiring, they could easily move Jennings. A lot of teams would use him as a backup PG.

[Neptune]

@Snakebites and @DetroitSho, I've always been a vocal fan of Smith. I like players who play defense.

[Snakebites]

@Snakebites and @DetroitSho, I've always been a vocal fan of Smith. I like players who play defense.

That still doesn't explain why you like Josh Smith as a member of the Pistons, unless you think the occasional flashy block constitutes defense.

[Phenomenonsense]

Oh wow, stretch or not? is just an awful awful move, I understand is difficult to work with him or trade him, but is 26m there for 2 more years….

And nope, no one is going to pick him off the waivers, only Philly got capspace and they are not going to be interested.

Why is it not a good move with Stretch provision? Getting an 8 million dollar expiring contract would've been as expensive as a first round pick. Now we get 8 million more in cap this year and next, then eat 5 million for 3 more years after the cap jumps like 20 million.

[MotownMadness]

@Snakebites and @DetroitSho, I've always been a vocal fan of Smith. I like players who play defense.

So why do you like Smith then?

[princeofpalace]

Josh was horrible but he wasn't responsible for all of our troubles.

Jennings and Augustine are still the worst PG staple in the NBA.
KCP and Meeks aren't consistent scorers and are streak scorers
Singler and Butler are guys who belong on the deep end of the bench on a good team.
We still won't be able to shoot, we still don't have a defensive anchor.

We probably will be incrementally better now that Monroe, Drummond and Jerebko will get more PT but I doubt it translates into winning more games. I still think we end up a bottom 5 team at seasons end- hopefully we are just a more entertaining bottom 5 team than we were with Smith.