Pistons WAIVE Josh Smith

ImHeisenberg · Post #181 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:21 pm

Neptune wrote:@Snakebites and @DetroitSho, I've always been a vocal fan of Smith. I like players who play defense.

He went for blocks and steals, but he didn't play good defense.

Neptune · Post #182 » by **Neptune** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:22 pm

@Snakebite and @MotownMadness: Smith/Drummond is/was the number one duo in the league when it comes to block parties in the paint. So, yes I guess you can say the occasional blocks consistitues as good defense.

I'm probably the minority like always, but I think Smith made Drummond tougher too.

Xsy · Post #183 » by **Xsy** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:26 pm

Congrats, Pistonbros.

Post #184 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:26 pm

Neptune wrote:@Snakebite and @MotownMadness: Smith/Drummond is/was the number one duo in the league when it comes to block parties in the paint. So, yes I guess you can say the occasional blocks consistitues as good defense.

I'm probably the minority like always, but I think Smith made Drummond tougher too.

Blocked shots do not equal defense. Being able to elevate and swat a shot away twice a game does not mean you're putting the effort in day in and day out every possession.

Smith didn't.

The Penguin · Post #185 » by **The Penguin** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:32 pm

Some people think blocks and steals mean good defense, others think it means stat padding and blowing assignments.

Whisper · Post #186 » by **Whisper** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:33 pm

Snakebites wrote:Teams try not to show their dirty laundry in public.

Nobody knows how bad things got behind the scenes leading up to this, and we probably never will.

The important thing is that he's gone.

I'm still waiting to find out how Zelly broke his hand. 8-)

Phenomenonsense · Post #187 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:33 pm

sfballa13 wrote:
The Penguin wrote:
Stan thought he could get through to Josh. No doubt Josh told him everything he wanted to hear in their discussions this summer. It didn't work. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to resurrect the deal with the Kings but it seems their interest has moved on to D-Will.

The same people killing Stan for not doing the Kings deal would have been killing him had he done it and Smith actually clicked on the Kings. Stan thought he could make the 3 big rotation work. Even after last year, many people on here bought into his ability to do just that before the season started. Some people are just going to complain.

It's not about complaining it's about what was better for this team going forward

If Stan takes Thompson/Williams in the summer, we start off this season fresh without Smith's toxic attitude and behavior and have the identical cap room situation going forward with Thompson being a reserve off the bench

Gores also saves 10M

The right move was trading Josh last offseason. Change the culture, save Gores money over this move, and get us a decent reserve when are going to pay 5M for no one going forward anyways. If Thompson played like crap we sit him or trade him.

Im happy Smith is finally off the team and give Gores props for waiving him but SVG looks like a moron for not making the deal in the summer in the first place.

One thing is for sure, we woudnt be sitting at 5-23 right now fighting the Knicks, Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Minny for a top 5 pick which we wont end up with anyways. We just threw away this season and most likely wont be bad enough to get a good pick which sucks

It isn't about "doing what's best for the team." It is about your bull hindsight analysis.

Lucidity · Post #188 » by **Lucidity** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:46 pm

Huge day in the hope of rebuilding this franchise. It took grape fruits to pay a guy 26 mill to just go away.

Now we have an almost unimaginable second chance to get this right & because of today I have the utmost confidence in SVG in fixing this.

Long live Monroe & Drummond!

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engelbert321 · Post #189 » by **engelbert321** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:47 pm

Tom Gores, you da real MVP.

Lucidity · Post #190 » by **Lucidity** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:49 pm

DBC10 wrote:Also from a reference to a post last night about talent always trumping skill.

Smith proves that claim is false. Absolutely.

*drinks tea*

The Penguin wrote:Some people think blocks and steals mean good defense, others think it means stat padding and blowing assignments.

Bingo.

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Manocad · Post #191 » by **Manocad** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:58 pm

Neptune wrote:@Snakebites and @DetroitSho, I've always been a vocal fan of Smith. I like players who play defense.

A. He doesn't.
B. As strange as it may seem to you, most of us here are fans of the Pistons as our local NBA team. Sure we all have our favorite Pistons players but we don't stop being a fan of the team due to personnel changes.

Notanoob · Post #192 » by **Notanoob** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:58 pm

CEEEEEEEEEEEEEELEBRATE GOOD TIME COME ON!

IT'S A CELEBRATION!

(trumpets play in the background)

DETermination · Post #193 » by **DETermination** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:58 pm

Now that that's done here is my dream offseason, get a top 3 pick and draft Mudiay, re- sign Monroe and sign Tobias Harris
Mudiay
KCP
Harris
Monroe
Drummond

DocRI · Post #194 » by **DocRI** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:00 pm

One thing's for certain — if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, then SVG is not insane. When he took this job, SVG said he wouldn't make any major personnel moves until he knew what he had; think about what that actually says about Josh Smith, 'cuz as soon as he felt he comfortably knew what he had in Smith (less then two months into the season) he WAIVED him. I think the encouraging bottom line here is that SVG wants, and is demanding, different results, and he's not afraid to be bold to get what he wants.

Sidetone — with SVG declaring a mandate of "developing our young players," I'd be shocked if Dinwiddie didn't get a serious crack as our starting PG during the second half of the season. The rest of this year is all gonna be about developing and assessing the young guys, and it's pretty clear that neither Jennings nor Augustin is our PGOTF; might as well give the rookie some run to see what we've got in him.

triplet1984 · Post #195 » by **triplet1984** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:01 pm

It does seem like SVG didn't do is research and had to see for himself what we all already knew. Still props for him and Gores to actually go through with it.

DetroitSho · Post #196 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:02 pm

Neptune wrote:@Snakebite and @MotownMadness: Smith/Drummond is/was the number one duo in the league when it comes to block parties in the paint. So, yes I guess you can say the occasional blocks consistitues as good defense.

I'm probably the minority like always, but I think Smith made Drummond tougher too.

It's one thing to root for Josh Smith because he's a member of your team. As much as I wanted him off this team, I rooted for him to do well because I wanted my team to do well. But him being off the team, all bets are off. I've literally seen no one EVER say they were a Josh Smith fan. At least not without the last name Smith.

Manocad · Post #197 » by **Manocad** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:03 pm

The Penguin wrote:Some people think blocks and steals mean good defense, others think it means stat padding and blowing assignments.

They're certainly not mutually exclusive concepts, that's for sure.
Getting two blocks a game and putting in a garbage effort the other 98% of the time doesn't equal "good defense" any more than getting a couple of dunks per game while shooting 35% from the field equals "good offense."

Lucidity · Post #198 » by **Lucidity** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:03 pm

Snakebites wrote:I'll be honest, it does reassure me some to know that SVG, deep down in his most private thoughts, despite his starting him every game and publicly talking about how he's an important part of the team, hated having him on the team just as much as I did.

It gives me a certain feeling of kinship with the guy that I didn't necessarily have before.

I also find myself respecting Gores more on a personal level too. He has come a long way from being the guy who made us cough up a first rounder rather than amnestying Ben Gordon. He's grown as an owner.

Stay the course, SVG. Stay the course.

I think this is the general consensus among Piston fans today, well put.

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Neptune · Post #199 » by **Neptune** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:06 pm

@Manocad: I'm not from Detroit, and even though I don't post much here I've said plenty of times that I'm a Piston fan until death. That will never stop.

DetroitSho · Post #200 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:07 pm

DocRI wrote:One thing's for certain — if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, then SVG is not insane. When he took this job, SVG said he wouldn't make any major personnel moves until he knew what he had; think about what that actually says about Josh Smith, 'cuz as soon as he felt he comfortably knew what he had in Smith (less then two months into the season) he WAIVED him. I think the encouraging bottom line here is that SVG wants, and is demanding, different results, and he's not afraid to be bold to get what he wants.

Sidetone — with SVG declaring a mandate of "developing our young players," I'd be shocked if Dinwiddie didn't get a serious crack as our starting PG during the second half of the season. The rest of this year is all gonna be about developing and assessing the young guys, and it's pretty clear that neither Jennings nor Augustin is our PGOTF; might as well give the rookie some run to see what we've got in him.

Naw bro, SVG clearly thought Smith was the best player on the team. I mean, why else would he play him so many minutes and speak so glowingly of him? Right? Right?