Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

Sunsdeuce · Post #1321 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:46 am

JMac1 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:On Anthony:

I'd rather have Bledsoe and Len at half Carmelo's salary. I think all of us would.

Me no give up Len for Melo

I won't mind having both. Could help take pressure off of len. Just saying.

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Cutter · Post #1322 » by **Cutter** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:50 am

Attention Suns board. No trades involving Alex Len until further notice.

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YouTube · Post #1323 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:52 am

sunskerr wrote:On Anthony:

I'd rather have Bledsoe and Len at half Carmelo's salary. I think all of us would.

Honestly, i dont know. Im rather torn.

Melo is a star. He is the lone bight light on a s**t Knicks team. He is the type of guy that draws other players to a team (Vets), which we would need to help us attract a decent C. Look what happens to s**t teams when they get a star. It transforms the League. No one wanted to be a Clipper, but once CP3 was on board, everyone wanted to join. Rockets were headed downhill fast, but they traded for Harden, and he helped them Howard, now they both have made Houston a destination. Big named players help attract other big name players, its a fact.

Thomas/Dragic/Tucker/Melo/?????

I prefer to trade Dragic over Bledsoe, but if it had to be Bledsoe, i still might do it.

The last 5 games Melo is averaging 28 points, 7.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and 2.5 steals. Thats against some of the Easts top teams too (TorontoX2/Chicago/Dallas/Us). He also has been playing some great defense as well. As for the trade that Aldridge posted, he said that Bledsoe/Green/Len works FINANCIALLY. It doesnt mean thats what we would HAVE to give up. Bledose/Green/Toliver also work Financially as well. This trade gives them a young stud PG and a clean slate to start over. With Amare and Bargnani coming off the books, they would free up a TON of capspace to start a new and Jackson could go after players that would really fit his Triangle System.

As for us, it is a bit of a financial hit, but remember that the TV money will come into effect soon (Experts predict after next season), so in 2018 when Melo is supposed to be making $27M, it wont look nearly as bad as it does now.

Post #1324 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:03 am

Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1325 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:08 am

Wait, is there a legit rumor going around Melo and the Suns?

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YouTube · Post #1326 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:17 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

To be fair, nobody knew the Knicks would be this bad. Jackson (one of the winning-est title coaches) just signed up to be GM, they made a few roster moves that made sense at the time, and of course making an extra $25M over any other team was a factor as well.

Also, nobody expected the Bulls to be this good either. You have oft-injured Rose, who knows how many games he would play, they lost Deng and didnt have Gasol (if Melo signed they wouldnt have had the money for Gasol anyways). Butler has had a breakout season as well.

Basicly he had a choice of two unknowns. Stay with your current team, that just imported a new FO and a few new players, or go to a new team who's awesome PG just played a total of 49 games in the past 2 years, while they lost one of their best players (Deng), AND make $25M less.

Its just like Rampage Jackson said:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Rampage4real/status/534561298034737152[/tweet]

Safety Pickle · Post #1327 » by **Safety Pickle** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:18 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

WTF does this even mean? When he was in Den his squad went to the playoffs like every single year and the conference finals in 09. This is the kind of nonsense that Skip Bayless says

YouTube · Post #1328 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:19 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Wait, is there a legit rumor going around Melo and the Suns?

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Not really. Word is NY is looking to clear house. NBA.com had an article on where Melo could go and the 1st team listed/talked about was us. I posted it a page back.

JMac1 · Post #1329 » by **JMac1** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:19 am

Melo is yesterday's news, especially at his price. I'm keeping Len and I prefer to give Warren that three spot. Why pay a non winner to come here and be another ball hog?

YouTube · Post #1330 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:24 am

Safety Pickle wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

WTF does this even mean? When he was in Den his squad went to the playoffs like every single year and the conference finals in 09. This is the kind of nonsense that Skip Bayless says

Exactly!

I hate the whole "He isnt a winner" argument. Thats thrown around when someone doesnt like a player, but cant find any stats or facts to back up why he isnt a fit. He took a not-real-good Denver team to the playoffs and conference finals, and from there was stuck on an even worse Knicks team.

There is a reason that teams like Lakers/Chicago/Houston were trying hard to obtain him. I guess they are fine with non-winners on their squad.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1331 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:33 am

Kerrsed wrote:
Safety Pickle wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

WTF does this even mean? When he was in Den his squad went to the playoffs like every single year and the conference finals in 09. This is the kind of nonsense that Skip Bayless says

Exactly!

I hate the whole "He isnt a winner" argument. Thats thrown around when someone doesnt like a player, but cant find any stats or facts to back up why he isnt a fit. He took a not-real-good Denver team to the playoffs and conference finals, and from there was stuck on an even worse Knicks team.

There is a reason that teams like Lakers/Chicago/Houston were trying hard to obtain him. I guess they are fine with non-winners on their squad.

Have to agree. How long has it been since our Suns had a star? If there is a slightest chance to get a star (especially after suffering through the last 5-6 years of garbage on the court) you have a jump on it. Yeah the there are more ideal stars that we could get if we wait for the perfect time, the perfect scenario, the perfect trade but when you do that, you get stuck where the Suns currently are because perfect scenarios rarely happen. I'm not a Huge fan of melo but acquiring him shows the FO is doing what it can.

I just tired of waiting for the "perfect" trade. This team/FO needs to step up and go for a home run regardless if it isn't the "perfect" scenario.

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kennydorglas · Post #1332 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:37 am

Carmelo is awesome, but i wont deal Bledsoe/Len for him.
I'd think about it with Dragic/Isiaiah/Morrises/Green involved.

thamadkant · Post #1333 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:38 am

Cant give up Len for Melo.... unless Suns are inline to get Towns or Okafor in the draft, I think Len is gonna be a legit center by next year.

McD has always specified he WON'T sacrifice long term for short term....

So if he guns for Melo, I dont think he will trade a lot of assets.. Knicks are most likely going to start from scratch, ever since Phil Jackson has taken over, this Melo experiment was cloudy since you need a willing-star to play the triangle.

Dragic or Bledsoe, Suns pick 2015, Wolves pick, Plumlee, Green seems fair... Melo is 30 years old afterall.

Only reason I'd do that is as Kerrsed mentioned, it'll attract more stars to the Suns, but at the same time Suns STILL have a BRIGHT future by keeping the Lakers pick, having Len, Ennis, Warren, Goodwin.

LukasBMW · Post #1334 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:40 am

No Melo. Not interested unless it's for Thomas, Tolliver, a pick, and filler.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1335 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:44 am

1UPZ wrote:Cant give up Len for Melo.... unless Suns are inline to get Towns or Okafor in the draft, I think Len is gonna be a legit center by next year.

McD has always specified he WON'T sacrifice long term for short term....

So if he guns for Melo, I dont think he will trade a lot of assets.. Knicks are most likely going to start from scratch, ever since Phil Jackson has taken over, this Melo experiment was cloudy since you need a willing-star to play the triangle.

Dragic or Bledsoe, Suns pick 2015, Wolves pick, Plumlee, Green seems fair... Melo is 30 years old afterall.

Only reason I'd do that is as Kerrsed mentioned, it'll attract more stars to the Suns, but at the same time Suns STILL have a BRIGHT future by keeping the Lakers pick, having Len, Ennis, Warren, Goodwin.

I agree that len, warren, and len are the Suns future. They should not go but Goodwin is a different story. He hasn't developed and by the time he does it will be his 4th or 5th year. Honestly I'm ready to move on from him. I'm sure he has potential but years away. He hasn't shown any improvement since last year during the times he got court time.

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Revived · Post #1336 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:48 am

Both Stephen Jackson and Josh Smith make zero sense for the Suns.

Unfortunately that's exactly I could see them signing one of em or maybe even both

Sunsdeuce · Post #1337 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:50 am

SF88 wrote:Both Stephen Jackson and Josh Smith make zero sense for the Suns.

Unfortunately that's exactly I could see them signing one of em or maybe even both

Stephen Jackson? Where did that come from? Trust me, your safe. He isn't coming to phx. If your were referring to lance Stephenson, again, your safe, he isn't coming to phx.

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kennydorglas · Post #1338 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:56 am

Goodwin is still a 20yo, folks.
He's younger than most of some draft picks from this last draft.

Players under 20 years and 128 days old.

19's
James Young
Andrew Wiggins
Jabari Parker
Noah Vonleh
Zach LaVine
Aaron Gordon
Dante Exum
Bruno Caboclo

20's
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Julius Randle
Jusuf Nurkic
Gary Harris
Tyler Ennis (he's one week younger than Goodwin rsrs)

Fo-Real · Post #1339 » by **Fo-Real** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:59 am

S Dot is somewhere with Stevie Franchise smoking crack right now, not trying to play basketball!

thamadkant · Post #1340 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Want nothing to do with Melo. He's a star, a great scorer but he's not a winner. That's most evident this last offseason when could've went to Chicago but decided to stay in NY for close to max money.

Technically current Suns team doesnt have a winner also... Dragic isnt a winner and a lot of fans here are OK in maxing or close to maxing him so...

I didnt want Melo, because he was a hog and a "me first" player...

But next to a couple of high scoring PGs he will have to learn other ways to contribute when he isnt getting the ball.. and he has shown he can be a spot up 3 pointer, he can grab rebounds (more than the Morris twins in a lot of games).

As long as McD DOESN'T go ALL-IN and give away the youth and assets... I'm OK with bringing in a veteran star now.
So if Suns can keep the Lakers pick or their pick, keep Len/Warren/Ennis/Goodwin... I'm OK.