Pistons WAIVE Josh Smith

[epheisey]

I hope he has a stellar season in Houston, signs a mid-level deal in the offseason, we get a bit more cap space, and he struggles again.

[DBC10]

Morey: "Oh for sure Josh, you'll get starting nods over DMO who's been contributing better than you have"
Smith: "Sweet, then it's a done deal yo"
*Smith signs*
Morey: "Sike"

I expect he'll have a shorter leash here and depending on how he reacts to that, it can get ugly really quick.

[TurboTitan]

Went away for 3 days... we make a trade and waive smith. WTF

[mercury]

I suspect our offensive efficiency will be much better... otoh, Dre will be in foul trouble more because he no longer has help... lotta of free chili.

[dVs33]

i think he'll pull his head in now that hes on a contender that features 2 players that are clearly better than him.

[DetroitSho]

I suspect our offensive efficiency will be much better... otoh, Dre will be in foul trouble more because he no longer has help... lotta of free chili.

Where the hell has this "help" been? Dre has spent majority of the season in foul trouble. Or have we forgotten that?

[mercury]

Obviously you have not been paying attention... watch and learn

[DetroitSho]

Obviously you have not been paying attention... watch and learn

Translation "ummmm errrrrr uhhhhh, please love my Josh". Question, why when someone counters your argument with actual facts (Drummond having spent a lot of time in foul trouble this season), you seem to come back with baseless statements like this?

[mercury]

No there's no stutter here... but please explain how Monroe will be more active with weakside D as Smith... and for the record I'm thrilled Smith is out of here.... it's gonna get worse inside.

[DetroitSho]

No there's no stutter here... but please explain how Monroe will be more active with weakside D as Smith... and for the record I'm thrilled Smith is out of here.... it's gonna get worse inside.

I'll explain how Monroe will be more active than Smith with weakside D...........riiiiiiiight after you show me where I said that would be the case.

[mercury]

Soooo you think it won't be what I said but you have nothing to back it up... there you go again Mr. word twister.

[DetroitSho]

Soooo you think it won't be what I said but you have nothing to back it up... there you go again Mr. word twister.

My man, can you read? Hopefully this little reading comprehension problem will be rectified by ole St. Nick when the clock strikes midnight tonight. Then you don't have to put words in my mouth.

I'll say it again, Drummond has spent more time in foul trouble this season than not, with Smith starting next to him "helping him". If Drummond continues to be in foul trouble, it sure won't be due to Smith leaving, as his presence never prevented Dre's foul trouble. So don't try to bring that up as the reason if that continues. And you're right, I have nothing to back up what I say. It's not like there's tv or game logs to support what I say or anything.

Keep in mind, Drummond was a "scrub" and "idiot" to many on this board for the first month of the season on the basis of his trouble alone. So ummm yeah.

[Dirtgrain]

You can't fix stupid.

[Joe Berry]

^So if the vets minimum is $1M and he signs for $7M, we get half the difference to off-set, in this example $3M? So the $5.3M cap hit would be $2.3M next season, to gain another $3M under the cap? So by cutting Smith we could gain $11M in cap space this offseason?

And it would be money Smith wouldn't get from us either. But since it's only half the difference, the incentive is for Smith to still look to get his biggest money deal possible from his new team. If it was dollar for dollar his incentive would be to sign for the vet minimum with his new team since he wouldn't be getting any new money. But if he signs for $7m next season, he gets his new money + his Detroit money less half his new contract. So if he signs for $7M he still makes $4M more next season. If he wanted to stick it to Detroit and sign the vets minimum he gets the full Detroit money but only the vet minimum from his new team so would be leaving $3M on the table just to spite the Pistons. That's not gonna happen.

From Coon's CBA FAQ:

66. How do released players apply to team salary? What is set-off?

Guaranteed salary must be paid even if the player is released, and continues to be included in team salary after the player is waived.1 For example, if a player is waived with $10 million in guaranteed base salary remaining on his contract, then that $10 million will be included in team salary. If a player is waived part-way through a season, then the portion of team salary that is charged to the cap for that season reflects either the guarantee or the salary that was actually paid, whichever is greater. For example, if a player has a $6 million salary with $3 million guaranteed and is waived 1/3 through the season, then $3 million (reflecting the 50% that is guaranteed) continues to be included in the team salary. If instead he is waived 2/3 through the season, then $4 million (reflecting the salary actually paid) continues to be included. Players on non-guaranteed "summer contracts" are not included in team salary at all unless they make the team's regular season roster (see question number 70).

As described in question number 65, if the contract or extension was signed under the previous CBA, then the team and player may negotiate a revised payment schedule. If the contract or extension was signed under the current CBA, the remaining guaranteed salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years, plus one, per the Stretch provision:

If the player's salary payments are spread-out using the Stretch provision, the team may elect to stretch the salary cap charge to match2. For example, if two seasons remain on the player's contract when he is waived, and the payment is spread-out over five years per the Stretch provision, then the team may elect to spread-out the salary cap hit over those same five years.
In all other cases (i.e., when the contract or extension was not signed under the current CBA, or when the team elects not to spread-out the cap hit per the Stretch provision), the player's remaining guaranteed salary is included in team salary in the remaining years of the contract, ignoring any revisions to the payment schedule. For example, if a player who signed under the previous CBA is waived with two seasons remaining on his contract and the team & player negotiate a lump-sum payout of the remaining guaranteed salary, the player's salary continues to be included in team salary over the next two seasons.

The remainder of the contract includes any seasons following an Early Termination Option (ETO), but not a season following a player or team option. However, as mentioned in question number 59, all contracts with player options contain a clause indicating whether the player receives his salary for the option year in the event he is waived before the option is picked-up. This clause states that the benefit is "to the same extent" as if the option had been exercised. The league interprets this to mean that the team salary is charged to all seasons of the contract, including the unexercised option season. For example, when Derek Fisher was waived by the Houston Rockets during the 2011-12 season, his player option for the 2012-13 season was unexercised. His remaining guaranteed salary (he agreed to take less in a buyout arrangement) was charged to the Rockets' cap in both 2011-12 and 2012-13.

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower their team salary) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $1 million contract with another team for the 2011-12 season, his original team gets to set off $1 million minus $762,195 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2011-12), divided by two, or $118,902. The team is still responsible for paying $4,881,098 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $5,881,098, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.

Teams and players may negotiate a waiver of the team's set-off rights. Typically this is done when a contract is altered as part of a buyout (see question number 67), but not at other times.3

What are the cap implications if Smith signs next offseason lets say for the MLE 5-6 mil or for lets say 7-8 mil for 3 years.
How much would it reduce the 5.4 mil cap hit 2015 and the following years?

[mercury]

Show, hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas... peace

[epheisey]

I suspect our offensive efficiency will be much better... otoh, Dre will be in foul trouble more because he no longer has help... lotta of free chili.

You're giving Smith way too much credit. Look at any advanced stats and it's clear that Smith was just as bad defensively as Monroe. At least Monroe is consistent, and you know what to expect. Smith could be great one night, and then awful the next 5.

[mercury]

I've taken a snap shot of advanced "team defensive stats"... I'm specifically talking about interior defense... Smith was certainly slacking like Monroe when it came to perimeter D.
At least now there will be no question about the pairing of Dre & Monroe.

[DetroitSho]

Show, hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas... peace

Yep, you too my man.

[Lucidity]

i think he'll pull his head in now that hes on a contender that features 2 players that are clearly better than him.

but he's been on a team with 2 players that are clearly better than him for 2 yea...nvm

[Blkbrd671]

There's a photo of Mchale watching Smith shoot around before tonights game..............he's shooting 3's