Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

RaisingArizona · Post #1561 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:46 pm

I'd rather see us get a big such as BROLO or Hibbert than see us pay a kings ransom for Melo.

Len looks good but those moments are just too inconsistent to rely on going down the stretch as the starter. Get a quality big, still develop Len by giving him 20 min a game, and trade or reduce Plumlee's minutes.

Revived · Post #1562 » by **Revived** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:13 pm

If Orlando doesn't wanna pay Tobias Harris the max this summer, I'd like the Suns to look into acquiring him. I'm sure Magic would prefer to get assets for him than lose him for nothing.

SSOL · Post #1563 » by **SSOL** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:33 pm

Lol Ginobili, the only way to continued develop Len is to continue to give him the starting spot with starters minutes. 20 a night won't get it done. Stay the course.

sunsbum · Post #1564 » by **sunsbum** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:34 pm

Guys like tobias Harris an bropez don't make this team that much better. Carmelo is a superstar. I don't care about his "spotty" past. If he's willing to come you bring a guy like that in.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1565 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:53 pm

There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Saberestar · Post #1566 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:11 pm

SF88 wrote:If Orlando doesn't wanna pay Tobias Harris the max this summer, I'd like the Suns to look into acquiring him. I'm sure Magic would prefer to get assets for him than lose him for nothing.

Harris is a very good player, huge potential because he is only 22 and is playing like a veteran this year. I really like him, he can be an All Star and grow with the rest of the team the next few years.

MrMiyagi · Post #1567 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:15 pm

sunsbum wrote:Guys like tobias Harris an bropez don't make this team that much better. Carmelo is a superstar. I don't care about his "spotty" past. If he's willing to come you bring a guy like that in.

Enough with Melo already!

Cutter · Post #1568 » by **Cutter** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:34 pm

SF88 wrote:If Orlando doesn't wanna pay Tobias Harris the max this summer, I'd like the Suns to look into acquiring him. I'm sure Magic would prefer to get assets for him than lose him for nothing.

Nice post 88. I really really like Tobias Harris. An efficient scorer shooting 47.x% overall on 14.7 FGA per game, and a very good 39.3% from three point range on solid volume of nearly 4 attempts per game. Very good rebounding at 8.x rpg. He has good size for a SF and as you say is only 22 years old.

As a RFA Magic could match any offer we make, so I really have no idea what he would be worth on the open market. I can't see paying him max money, but he definitely fit our youth movement, be able to contribute in a meaningful way, and I think overall he is an upgrade over one of my favorite Suns players PJ Tucker.

My only concern is that he is an alpha dog on a crappy Magic team, and worry his production would fall on a Suns team that has more talent. Can't see him getting nearly 15 FGA on this team.

Cutter · Post #1569 » by **Cutter** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:35 pm

Just Say No........to Melo!

thamadkant · Post #1570 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:50 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Contrary to McD's statements, I don't think we're in the market for a big trade. As Kerrsed pointed out, no deal for a player fitting McD's description would seem to be available at a price that would make sense for us.

I think the truth is, we wanted Tolliver gone for basketball and money reasons, and the "we're looking for a big trade" line was primarily for PR purposes.

And this is where a lot of fans should draw the line in regards to GM transaction discussions.

When we start to have doubts about the GM's public statements and say he is doing the opposite or trying to be deceitful then we can never really have "legit" information anymore.

If the Suns was 28-4 in terms of win/loss record and LOOKING great... any trade or transaction rumors would be unlikely..

But when you are hovering around 0.500, looking 50/50 so far and about to be surpassed by a surging team behind you and no room to go up..... its very possible that the GM and FO are indeed planning for changes.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1571 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:01 pm

1UPZ wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Contrary to McD's statements, I don't think we're in the market for a big trade. As Kerrsed pointed out, no deal for a player fitting McD's description would seem to be available at a price that would make sense for us.

I think the truth is, we wanted Tolliver gone for basketball and money reasons, and the "we're looking for a big trade" line was primarily for PR purposes.

And this is where a lot of fans should draw the line in regards to GM transaction discussions.

When we start to have doubts about the GM's public statements and say he is doing the opposite or trying to be deceitful then we can never really have "legit" information anymore.

If the Suns was 28-4 in terms of win/loss record and LOOKING great... any trade or transaction rumors would be unlikely..

But when you are hovering around 0.500, looking 50/50 so far and about to be surpassed by a surging team behind you and no room to go up..... its very possible that the GM and FO are indeed planning for changes.

Wouldnt you have to plan for a trade with a 500 ball club? You collected a lot of assets and with the plan to move them to better the team. The bottomline is there are NO all-stars on this roster! Not one. Reality is we got a bunch of really good role players but not one game changer. Hence the 500 record.

Safety Pickle · Post #1572 » by **Safety Pickle** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:48 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Yeah... No.

NavLDO · Post #1573 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:57 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Contrary to McD's statements, I don't think we're in the market for a big trade. As Kerrsed pointed out, no deal for a player fitting McD's description would seem to be available at a price that would make sense for us.

I think the truth is, we wanted Tolliver gone for basketball and money reasons, and the "we're looking for a big trade" line was primarily for PR purposes.

And this is where a lot of fans should draw the line in regards to GM transaction discussions.

When we start to have doubts about the GM's public statements and say he is doing the opposite or trying to be deceitful then we can never really have "legit" information anymore.

If the Suns was 28-4 in terms of win/loss record and LOOKING great... any trade or transaction rumors would be unlikely..

But when you are hovering around 0.500, looking 50/50 so far and about to be surpassed by a surging team behind you and no room to go up..... its very possible that the GM and FO are indeed planning for changes.

Wouldnt you have to plan for a trade with a 500 ball club? You collected a lot of assets and with the plan to move them to better the team. The bottomline is there are NO all-stars on this roster! Not one. Reality is we got a bunch of really good role players but not one game changer. Hence the 500 record.

Dragic is, or at least should have been last year. But aside from him, the answer to your statement is "Yet". Still have potential for Len, Warren, and Bledsoe, as all three are still developing. Bledsoe has not maxed out yet, IMO. Of course, there is no guarantee about any of them, but there is a decent chance that one of the 3 do actually become an All-Star, and my bets are on Warren. He has the scoring potential to be an All-Star, as that's what "fans" will look at when voting.

Len has a chance as well in a couple of years. He's likely not more than a 14/10 guy in our current offensive system, but you never know. And Bledsoe may become one yet still, especially if Goran is not retained. He might have the opportunity to become a decent ball-handler when the primary PG in that scenario.

BurningHeart · Post #1574 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:08 am

We don't have an All-Star, but we do have an All-NBA'er, so....

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1575 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:05 am

If Len can get to the line underneath, he'll be very dangerous. He can hit the free throws.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1576 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:07 am

Safety Pickle wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Yeah... No.

TJ certainly looked worthy of your opinion tonight. Wow.

jredsaz · Post #1577 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:35 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
Safety Pickle wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Yeah... No.

TJ certainly looked worthy of your opinion tonight. Wow.

I dont think that is a knock on TJ. Melo is one of the 25 best scorers in NBA history. TJ probably not going to get to that level and that doesn't mean he wont be a good or even all-star level scorer.

Post #1578 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:15 am

SF88 wrote:If Orlando doesn't wanna pay Tobias Harris the max this summer, I'd like the Suns to look into acquiring him. I'm sure Magic would prefer to get assets for him than lose him for nothing.

I like him, but they will pay him. They have mostly rookie contracts and they are rebuilding...why the hell would they let him go? On another note, did you see Alex Smith is out Sunday? That is huge in one respect, but SD always seems to crap their pants when things look easy....and they didn't exactly play well against KC in their win and get in game last year despite playing backups. I guess it wasn't win and get in though in hindsight....they needed a few teams to lose and miraculously a couple of teams lost games they would have thought they should win. Rivers typically plays his best when his back is against the wall though, so hopefully they pull it off.

In some ways I'd love them to beat Pitt (if SD makes the playoffs), as they have been one team they have had tough times against. I have a feeling Cincy will finally win a playoff game this year too...they seem tougher. But that SD D is looking good. Just wish Keenan Allen was healthy (and Ryan Mathews) but Inman looks like the real deal.

Post #1579 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:18 am

cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Yeah, no Melo. Too expensive, too much of a black hole who is a high volume shooter who is overrated. He has never won a damn thing and can't even get a team into the playoffs in the weak east. Stars get their teams into the playoffs regardless. He has past his prime and we are not going to win anything major for the next couple of years. Don't sacrifice future for trying to win now. Too shortsighted. That's all.

Flying Colors · Post #1580 » by **Flying Colors** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:There are very few superstars who add so little to this team as Carmelo. Anyone you pair him with at the other forward spot becomes redundant next to Melo. He doesn't make us any better defensively or on the boards, where we're weak. TJ could be every bit as good a scorer in two years' time. It's just not a good fit.

Yeah, no Melo. Too expensive, too much of a black hole who is a high volume shooter who is overrated. He has never won a damn thing and can't even get a team into the playoffs in the weak east. Stars get their teams into the playoffs regardless. He has past his prime and we are not going to win anything major for the next couple of years. Don't sacrifice future for trying to win now. Too shortsighted. That's all.

i dunno if thats fair