Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[Revived]

So I was thinking, with all the talk about how CLE needs some help on the interior and how Love hasn't been a good fit there...why not this?

Suns trade: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick
Suns get: Kevin Love

Cle trades: Kevin Love
Cle gets: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick

Cleveland gets a big man who showed some promise in the young Plumlee and another versatile big man in Randolph. Plumlee on a suepr cheap contract also helps a contender like CLE big time. Green and his shooting ability are a perfect fit for the Cavs. The young Marcus can take over the ropes as the primary backup SF since the oldies Marion and Jones will be hanging it up soon. Marcus is better than them also. Plus 2 1st rd picks to add some more young talent (including the precious Lakers pick) to that roster. They can even trade the picks to get others players if they want. Cavs get all this for an expiring Kevin Love, not a bad haul.

Suns get their "superstar" big man that McD has been talking about in Kevin Love. We finally get a PF who doesn't suck at rebounding. Plus since Hornacek's system relies so much on a stretch 4, we get one of the best stretch 4s in the game. He's bad defensively, but not much worse than Kieff and hopefully Len can improve as a defensive stud. Both Kieff and Goran lose their brothers but they gain a rebounding PF. Kieff can return to 6th man status from last year, and maybe even finish games out in the 4th QTR with Love. Suns also clear log jam for their young players which they desperately need to do as a rebuilding/retooling team.

I think we make playoffs with this trade and I think that would be enough to convince Love to resign here. If he doesn't oh well, still worth the chance to bring in an All Star to PHX.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
Love/Warren
Len/Kieff

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6546867

[thamadkant]

Idea#1: Suns / Nets
Thomas + Green + Tucker + Plumlee
for
Lopez + Teletovic


Idea#2: Suns / Pelicans
Thomas + Green + Tucker + Plumlee
for
Asik + Anderson


Idea#3: Suns / Cavs / Celtics
Suns: Love + Wright
Celts: Thomas + Waiters
Cavs: Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Bass

[carey]

Idea#1: Suns / Nets
Thomas + Green + Tucker + Plumlee
for
Lopez + Teletovic


Idea#2: Suns / Pelicans
Thomas + Green + Tucker + Plumlee
for
Asik + Anderson


Idea#3: Suns / Cavs / Celtics
Suns: Love + Wright
Celts: Thomas + Waiters
Cavs: Tucker + Green + Plumlee + Bass

Oof, I like the idea of Teletovic here and I've proposed ways of getting him before but I don't want Brook Lopez at that salary and with his injury history. Plus I just want to keep developing Len.

The second trade, N.O. will not trade Anderson unless they are blown away by an offer. They love him here. That's not the offer that will get him but I think they do need an IT type here because their PG situation after Jrue SUCKS wang. They tried Rivers, Gal Mekel, a bunch of noname dudes off the street, you name it. Drop Asik from the deal, add in one of our youngsters from the Ennis, Warren, Goodwin trio and a pick and we could probably steal Anderson. While I personally think we need more of a defensive minded 4 I can't say that the idea of watching pick and roll basketball with guards that can deliver doesn't excite me....

The last one is just silly, sorry mate, but the Cavs get fudge packed in that trade.

[carey]

So I was thinking, with all the talk about how CLE needs some help on the interior and how Love hasn't been a good fit there...why not this?

Suns trade: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick
Suns get: Kevin Love

Cle trades: Kevin Love
Cle gets: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick

Cleveland gets a big man who showed some promise in the young Plumlee and another versatile big man in Randolph. Plumlee on a suepr cheap contract also helps a contender like CLE big time. Green and his shooting ability are a perfect fit for the Cavs. The young Marcus can take over the ropes as the primary backup SF since the oldies Marion and Jones will be hanging it up soon. Marcus is better than them also. Plus 2 1st rd picks to add some more young talent (including the precious Lakers pick) to that roster. They can even trade the picks to get others players if they want. Cavs get all this for an expiring Kevin Love, not a bad haul.

Suns get their "superstar" big man that McD has been talking about in Kevin Love. We finally get a PF who doesn't suck at rebounding. Plus since Hornacek's system relies so much on a stretch 4, we get one of the best stretch 4s in the game. He's bad defensively, but not much worse than Kieff and hopefully Len can improve as a defensive stud. Both Kieff and Goran lose their brothers but they gain a rebounding PF. Kieff can return to 6th man status from last year, and maybe even finish games out in the 4th QTR with Love. Suns also clear log jam for their young players which they desperately need to do as a rebuilding/retooling team.

I think we make playoffs with this trade and I think that would be enough to convince Love to resign here. If he doesn't oh well, still worth the chance to bring in an All Star to PHX.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
Love/Warren
Len/Kieff

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6546867

I think you're on the right track. I do think the conversation for Love starts at 2 first rounders but also with Eric Bledsoe. I posted on another board the idea of Bled, Warren, Marcus and Markieff, and 2 firsts for Love, Waiters, and Marion. The idea was to make a trade realistic here and not some fanboy ****. No one liked it, but that's alright...

New lineup:

Dragic/IT/Ennis
Green/Waiters/Goodwin
Marion/Tucker
Love/(Marion)/TheShav
Len/Plumlee

I don't think this is necessarily a good trade. I also don't... and I can't believe I'm saying this... but I don't think Love is a mega upgrade over Markieff that we need to give up Bledsoe, Warren and some picks to get him. Waiters is whatever, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he needs a change of scenery. The move puts the ball in Dragic's hands almost full time again. Pick and roll / pop is back with Love. Len gets more space to do his thing. Love is worse at man to man defense than Kieff but a much better rebounder. Some things to think about though.... he's a FA next season, his PPG is down almost 10 points (which is crazy in and of itself), and he's only shooting 34% from 3 this season. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to divulge ourselves of all of our assets for him at this time.

[carey]

Some young players I would look into that could do well here.

I'd see what it would take to acquire Thomas Robinson from the Blazers. He's 23 years old and maybe reuniting him with the Morris twins could light a fire under him. I really liked his game in college and he always seemed fairly tough out there. People have mentioned trades like sending Randolph out there for him, but maybe a decent 2nd rounder would do it.

Andrew Nicholson. He's not getting any playtime right now. He's an intriguing player in his 3rd year but he's already 25. He has range out to the 3-point line and can stroke the corner 3. Low risk type of player to target.

I think Mirotic would fit perfectly here, but I just can't think of any combination of players we have that Chicago would want. I'd say SF is their weakest link but they have Dougie McBuckets waiting in the wings to eventually take that spot over. Would they be interested in a guy like Tucker to hold down the fort? He'd be a defensive beast in Thibs' system. We'd have to live with Marcus starting full time but Mirotic and his shooting would do a lot to open up our offense kind of like when Anderson comes in for New Orleans.

I really really wish I knew what was up with Terrence Jones. I used to try and come up with ways to get him all the time last year. Love everything about his game. Seems like a natural fit on our team too. Just don't know if he'll even play again this year. Those nerve issues can be tricky.

[Revived]

So I was thinking, with all the talk about how CLE needs some help on the interior and how Love hasn't been a good fit there...why not this?

Suns trade: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick
Suns get: Kevin Love

Cle trades: Kevin Love
Cle gets: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick

Cleveland gets a big man who showed some promise in the young Plumlee and another versatile big man in Randolph. Plumlee on a suepr cheap contract also helps a contender like CLE big time. Green and his shooting ability are a perfect fit for the Cavs. The young Marcus can take over the ropes as the primary backup SF since the oldies Marion and Jones will be hanging it up soon. Marcus is better than them also. Plus 2 1st rd picks to add some more young talent (including the precious Lakers pick) to that roster. They can even trade the picks to get others players if they want. Cavs get all this for an expiring Kevin Love, not a bad haul.

Suns get their "superstar" big man that McD has been talking about in Kevin Love. We finally get a PF who doesn't suck at rebounding. Plus since Hornacek's system relies so much on a stretch 4, we get one of the best stretch 4s in the game. He's bad defensively, but not much worse than Kieff and hopefully Len can improve as a defensive stud. Both Kieff and Goran lose their brothers but they gain a rebounding PF. Kieff can return to 6th man status from last year, and maybe even finish games out in the 4th QTR with Love. Suns also clear log jam for their young players which they desperately need to do as a rebuilding/retooling team.

I think we make playoffs with this trade and I think that would be enough to convince Love to resign here. If he doesn't oh well, still worth the chance to bring in an All Star to PHX.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
Love/Warren
Len/Kieff

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6546867

I think you're on the right track. I do think the conversation for Love starts at 2 first rounders but also with Eric Bledsoe. I posted on another board the idea of Bled, Warren, Marcus and Markieff, and 2 firsts for Love, Waiters, and Marion. The idea was to make a trade realistic here and not some fanboy ****. No one liked it, but that's alright...

New lineup:

Dragic/IT/Ennis
Green/Waiters/Goodwin
Marion/Tucker
Love/(Marion)/TheShav
Len/Plumlee

I don't think this is necessarily a good trade. I also don't... and I can't believe I'm saying this... but I don't think Love is a mega upgrade over Markieff that we need to give up Bledsoe, Warren and some picks to get him. Waiters is whatever, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he needs a change of scenery. The move puts the ball in Dragic's hands almost full time again. Pick and roll / pop is back with Love. Len gets more space to do his thing. Love is worse at man to man defense than Kieff but a much better rebounder. Some things to think about though.... he's a FA next season, his PPG is down almost 10 points (which is crazy in and of itself), and he's only shooting 34% from 3 this season. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to divulge ourselves of all of our assets for him at this time.

I think your overlooking the fact that Love is on an expiring deal. He can walk after the season, that diminishes his value BIG time. Nobody wants another JJ Reddick-Bucks situation again.

I wouldn't give up Kieff or Bledsoe for him, much less both. Like you said, Love isn't a big enough upgrade to give up both.

Plus without Bledsoe and with Love, our defense becomes maybe the worst in the entire NBA.

[carey]

I think your overlooking the fact that Love is on an expiring deal. He can walk after the season, that diminishes his value BIG time. Nobody wants another JJ Reddick-Bucks situation again.

I wouldn't give up Kieff or Bledsoe for him, much less both. Like you said, Love isn't a big enough upgrade to give up both.

Plus without Bledsoe and with Love, our defense becomes maybe the worst in the entire NBA.

I'm not overlooking it. He's a perennial all-star and still young. It's going to take assets to get him. Cleveland isn't going to care that he's expiring from their perspective. They want assets for the quality of player they need to replace. It's just like us looking at these bull offers for Dragic. Yeah he's going to be a FA but we're not going to take just crap for him you know? I've talked to some Houston fans on Twitter, that dumb Rondo trade by Ainge has everyone thinking we'll take a bucket of fried chicken with a draft pick and be happy. We won't.

[Revived]

I think your overlooking the fact that Love is on an expiring deal. He can walk after the season, that diminishes his value BIG time. Nobody wants another JJ Reddick-Bucks situation again.

I wouldn't give up Kieff or Bledsoe for him, much less both. Like you said, Love isn't a big enough upgrade to give up both.

Plus without Bledsoe and with Love, our defense becomes maybe the worst in the entire NBA.

I'm not overlooking it. He's a perennial all-star and still young. It's going to take assets to get him. Cleveland isn't going to care that he's expiring from their perspective. They want assets for the quality of player they need to replace. It's just like us looking at these bull offers for Dragic. Yeah he's going to be a FA but we're not going to take just crap for him you know? I've talked to some Houston fans on Twitter, that dumb Rondo trade by Ainge has everyone thinking we'll take a bucket of fried chicken with a draft pick and be happy. We won't.

We're in a different situation, CLE is looking to win a championship immediately, we're not.

If CLE demands too high for Love, what if no team offers them squat and then Love departs in the off season when he realizes that playing for the Cavs who aren't even that good isn't worth living in the s**thole that is called "Cleveland"?

I think we hold more leverage over Dragic than the Cavs do over Love. Dragic wants to return to PHX, only reason he would leave would be due to him not liking our 3 PG bs. Dragic wouldn't leave PHX if they aren't ready to win immediately. Can you say the same thing about Love in CLE? Simply due to the different circumstances, expectations and positions each team is currently in.

[carey]

If CLE demands too high for Love, what if no team offers them squat and then Love departs in the off season when he realizes that playing for the Cavs who aren't even that good isn't worth living in the s**thole that is called "Cleveland"?

I think we hold more leverage over Dragic than the Cavs do over Love. Dragic wants to return to PHX, only reason he would leave would be due to him not liking our 3 PG bs. Dragic wouldn't leave PHX if they aren't ready to win immediately. Can you say the same thing about Love in CLE? Simply due to the different circumstances, expectations and positions each team is currently in.

You're guessing a whole heck of a lot about each persons motivations. You don't know what Dragic wants. You don't know what Love wants. The only thing you said that has a basis in fact is that Cleveland is trying to win now. They also have Love's bird rights, they will get something good for him if he decides to leave, just watch. You can point to Howard and the Lakers last year but that is an entirely different situation with regards to how he was treated and the fact that Howard is... well, Howard.

[Revived]

If CLE demands too high for Love, what if no team offers them squat and then Love departs in the off season when he realizes that playing for the Cavs who aren't even that good isn't worth living in the s**thole that is called "Cleveland"?

I think we hold more leverage over Dragic than the Cavs do over Love. Dragic wants to return to PHX, only reason he would leave would be due to him not liking our 3 PG bs. Dragic wouldn't leave PHX if they aren't ready to win immediately. Can you say the same thing about Love in CLE? Simply due to the different circumstances, expectations and positions each team is currently in.

You're guessing a whole heck of a lot about each persons motivations. You don't know what Dragic wants. You don't know what Love wants. The only thing you said that has a basis in fact is that Cleveland is trying to win now. They also have Love's bird rights, they will get something good for him if he decides to leave, just watch. You can point to Howard and the Lakers last year but that is an entirely different situation with regards to how he was treated and the fact that Howard is... well, Howard.

I know what Dragic wants. He wants to stay here. He's expressed it many times and looked sincere while doing it. He has doubts about the 3 PG stuff but that may be a moot point if we trade IT away like many expect.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

So I was thinking, with all the talk about how CLE needs some help on the interior and how Love hasn't been a good fit there...why not this?

Suns trade: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick
Suns get: Kevin Love

Cle trades: Kevin Love
Cle gets: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick

Cleveland gets a big man who showed some promise in the young Plumlee and another versatile big man in Randolph. Plumlee on a suepr cheap contract also helps a contender like CLE big time. Green and his shooting ability are a perfect fit for the Cavs. The young Marcus can take over the ropes as the primary backup SF since the oldies Marion and Jones will be hanging it up soon. Marcus is better than them also. Plus 2 1st rd picks to add some more young talent (including the precious Lakers pick) to that roster. They can even trade the picks to get others players if they want. Cavs get all this for an expiring Kevin Love, not a bad haul.

Suns get their "superstar" big man that McD has been talking about in Kevin Love. We finally get a PF who doesn't suck at rebounding. Plus since Hornacek's system relies so much on a stretch 4, we get one of the best stretch 4s in the game. He's bad defensively, but not much worse than Kieff and hopefully Len can improve as a defensive stud. Both Kieff and Goran lose their brothers but they gain a rebounding PF. Kieff can return to 6th man status from last year, and maybe even finish games out in the 4th QTR with Love. Suns also clear log jam for their young players which they desperately need to do as a rebuilding/retooling team.

I think we make playoffs with this trade and I think that would be enough to convince Love to resign here. If he doesn't oh well, still worth the chance to bring in an All Star to PHX.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
Love/Warren
Len/Kieff

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6546867

See, I had the same idea, except a three team trade, I'll post it actually...
It was,
Suns get-
Kevin Love
Iman Shumpert

Knicks get-
Tyler Ennis
Isaiah Thomas
Dion Waiters
Tristan Thompson
Lakers 1st/Suns 1st

Cavs get-
Carmelo Anthony
Gerald Green
Samuel Dalembert

Yeah we give up a lot. But this is the type of deal where we go all in for, that is, if Kevin Love agrees to stay with the Suns. The Knicks need to rebuild already, and they get a future PG/SG/PF with two picks, plus someone to entertain their crowd (IT). It looks like we lost our entire bench, but we get Iman Shumpert, plus the Morris twins are spark plus, and we keep Plumlee there too.
Like you said, the Cavs wasn't working out so well for Kevin Love, and the Suns are more his style. Plus, imagine Kevin Love leaving, Lebron opting out (again) and them being stuck with nothing. This way, they have Melo locked up with Irving at least.
Our lineup
Bledsoe/Goodwin
Dragic/Shumpert
Tucker/Marcus/Warren
Love/Kief
Len/Plumlee

Legit beast mode.

[Revived]

Some young players I would look into that could do well here.

I'd see what it would take to acquire Thomas Robinson from the Blazers. He's 23 years old and maybe reuniting him with the Morris twins could light a fire under him. I really liked his game in college and he always seemed fairly tough out there. People have mentioned trades like sending Randolph out there for him, but maybe a decent 2nd rounder would do it.

Andrew Nicholson. He's not getting any playtime right now. He's an intriguing player in his 3rd year but he's already 25. He has range out to the 3-point line and can stroke the corner 3. Low risk type of player to target.

I think Mirotic would fit perfectly here, but I just can't think of any combination of players we have that Chicago would want. I'd say SF is their weakest link but they have Dougie McBuckets waiting in the wings to eventually take that spot over. Would they be interested in a guy like Tucker to hold down the fort? He'd be a defensive beast in Thibs' system. We'd have to live with Marcus starting full time but Mirotic and his shooting would do a lot to open up our offense kind of like when Anderson comes in for New Orleans.

I really really wish I knew what was up with Terrence Jones. I used to try and come up with ways to get him all the time last year. Love everything about his game. Seems like a natural fit on our team too. Just don't know if he'll even play again this year. Those nerve issues can be tricky.

Agreed on Robinson especially since the Suns have only one PF on roster now in Kieff.

Don't know enough about Nicholson.

Chicago is SUPER high on Mirotic, their not trading him.

Terrence Jones can't shoot, 30% three pt shooter for his career.

[King4Day]

I think you're on the right track. I do think the conversation for Love starts at 2 first rounders but also with Eric Bledsoe. I posted on another board the idea of Bled, Warren, Marcus and Markieff, and 2 firsts for Love, Waiters, and Marion. The idea was to make a trade realistic here and not some fanboy ****. No one liked it, but that's alright...

I don't think that makes us any better but even if it did, it's way too much to risk Love leaving this offseason.
I'm not a Kevin Love fan at all though. I'd rather allow our youth to continue to develop.

[King4Day]

If CLE demands too high for Love, what if no team offers them squat and then Love departs in the off season when he realizes that playing for the Cavs who aren't even that good isn't worth living in the s**thole that is called "Cleveland"?

I think we hold more leverage over Dragic than the Cavs do over Love. Dragic wants to return to PHX, only reason he would leave would be due to him not liking our 3 PG bs. Dragic wouldn't leave PHX if they aren't ready to win immediately. Can you say the same thing about Love in CLE? Simply due to the different circumstances, expectations and positions each team is currently in.

You're guessing a whole heck of a lot about each persons motivations. You don't know what Dragic wants. You don't know what Love wants. The only thing you said that has a basis in fact is that Cleveland is trying to win now. They also have Love's bird rights, they will get something good for him if he decides to leave, just watch. You can point to Howard and the Lakers last year but that is an entirely different situation with regards to how he was treated and the fact that Howard is... well, Howard.

I'd imagine any team dealing for Love would get strong assurances that he'd be willing to remain like Rondo did for Dallas.
I don't think they'll get a kings ransom for him but they won't get just a couple of seconds either.

[NavLDO]

yup NTB...

I don't get the Keif vs Sullinger debate. Its a Keif/marcus (or who ever our back up PF is) vs Keif/Sullinger. Its depth at the PF position we lack. Don't knucklehead this into 'one is better than the other' or 'they can't play together' debate.

Sullinger is a big big body... 260-270 and he might be pry-able from Boston for what we can afford to give up.

Like that Monte kid too, but fat chance on appeasing Hou GM w/o including Dragic. Not willing to pay that price for a back up C/PF.

This, this, this and oh yeah, This!

Sullinger would not replace Kieff, but would be a great option to spell him, or vice versa if that's what would work best. Again, he's only 22 years old and already playing at a high level and would give us a big body down low, better rebounding, and honestly, better shooting from behind the arc on more attempts.

I think he would be a guy that would actually move the needle, without actually being a "superstar". Even if he's hit his ceiling (which I highly doubt), he'd be a good addition. The problem lies with whether McD and his "mentor", Ainge, can work out a deal that helps both clubs without hurting the clubs too much in the process.

Yes, we'd miss IT, and yes, we'd miss Green, but honestly, those two and some picks, could get it done. We'd have to be willing to "eat" Wallace's or Green's 'overpriced' contracts, but maybe that's a way to make it work? IDK.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pk5tdes

[bigfoot]

What is this free Love nonsense? First the Cavs aren't giving him up. Second no sane GM is going to sell the farm to get him. The Howard debacle with the Lakers is way too fresh for that to happen.



STOP THE INSANITY.

[bigfoot]

Some young players I would look into that could do well here.

I'd see what it would take to acquire Thomas Robinson from the Blazers. He's 23 years old and maybe reuniting him with the Morris twins could light a fire under him. I really liked his game in college and he always seemed fairly tough out there. People have mentioned trades like sending Randolph out there for him, but maybe a decent 2nd rounder would do it.

Andrew Nicholson. He's not getting any playtime right now. He's an intriguing player in his 3rd year but he's already 25. He has range out to the 3-point line and can stroke the corner 3. Low risk type of player to target.

I think Mirotic would fit perfectly here, but I just can't think of any combination of players we have that Chicago would want. I'd say SF is their weakest link but they have Dougie McBuckets waiting in the wings to eventually take that spot over. Would they be interested in a guy like Tucker to hold down the fort? He'd be a defensive beast in Thibs' system. We'd have to live with Marcus starting full time but Mirotic and his shooting would do a lot to open up our offense kind of like when Anderson comes in for New Orleans.

I really really wish I knew what was up with Terrence Jones. I used to try and come up with ways to get him all the time last year. Love everything about his game. Seems like a natural fit on our team too. Just don't know if he'll even play again this year. Those nerve issues can be tricky.

Really don't think we need more young players. Right now we have

3 Rookies (Ennis-20/Warren-21/Zoran-25)
2 Sophomores (Griffin-20/Len-21)
2 1st rounders from the 2015 draft (likely to be 19/20 year olds)
1 1st rounder playing in Europe (Bogdanovic-22)

our old guys are pretty young themselves

G Dragic (28)
Tucker (29)
Green (28)
Randolph (31)

our middle aged guys are

Bledsoe (25)
Thomas (25)
Marcus (25)
Markieff (25)
Plumlee (26)

Next year Green and Randolph are off the roster. Our average team age will be even younger. No sense in running a daycare center.

[RunDogGun]

Pulled a Frank there, Bigfoot? I think you meant Goodwin instead of Griffin.

I agree to a point about young players that we already have, plus we have two in Europe right now as well.

I know people have nixed the JO idea, but that is the type of player I would target. Solid vet with a good game all around, just may need a good med staff and limited minutes, which we have both available for them.

[bigfoot]

Pulled a Frank there, Bigfoot? I think you meant Goodwin instead of Griffin.

I agree to a point about young players that we already have, plus we have two in Europe right now as well.

I know people have nixed the JO idea, but that is the type of player I would target. Solid vet with a good game all around, just may need a good med staff and limited minutes, which we have both available for them.

Yeah I guess I'm like Frank ... old as dirt.

[carey]

Next year Green and Randolph are off the roster. Our average team age will be even younger. No sense in running a daycare center.

We're a rebuilding team. I think it's wise to acquire young talent whenever possible. I'm not one of those fans that think we're one move away from being a contender. Stick with the plan, acquire young talent, figure out who will be part of the team going forward, package rest of young talent for other young talent. Rinse and repeat until you find the right guys.