Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[RunDogGun]

Next year Green and Randolph are off the roster. Our average team age will be even younger. No sense in running a daycare center.

We're a rebuilding team. I think it's wise to acquire young talent whenever possible. I'm not one of those fans that think we're one move away from being a contender. Stick with the plan, acquire young talent, figure out who will be part of the team going forward, package rest of young talent for other young talent. Rinse and repeat until you find the right guys.

I'm fine with adding another, or trade out one for a different young player. However, I still feel we need a vet big to mentor Len. I'm just not confident in Mark West teaching offense to our bigs. Our defense in the bigs area isn't great either.

[Sunsdeuce]

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[JDLAW]

Need to look on the trade board. Houston fans are now proposing they get Dragic in a 3 team trade where the Suns get Jefferson and Charlotte gets Houston's junk. Their obsession for Dragic is getting scary.

[KLEON]

What's up with the Clippers? Heard that someone close to the team is saying they don't like each other

[Revived]

Need to look on the trade board. Houston fans are now proposing they get Dragic in a 3 team trade where the Suns get Jefferson and Charlotte gets Houston's junk. Their obsession for Dragic is getting scary.

If you think that's bad, check out the Hornets-Suns trade some other guy put up.

I think we should create a thread on there with the title "SUNS ARENT LOOKING TO GIVE AWAY DRAGIC OR IT FOR CRAP".

[Sunsdeuce]

Brook Lopez is basically going to be given away by the nets. I think the Suns should inquire. I really don't think it's going to take much on the Suns part to get him.

[Zelaznyrules]

Brook Lopez is basically going to be given away by the nets. I think the Suns should inquire. I really don't think it's going to take much on the Suns part to get him.

I don't think we have the cap room to absorb his contract without at least moving someone like Thomas so one way or the other, it will cost us.

[Qwigglez]

They already have D-Will and Jack eating up 25mil of their salary. I doubt they would want IT, and besides him we don't have any other players to make a straight trade for Brook Lopez (besides Dragic & Bledsoe).

[Jdiddy701]

Yeah I'm all for trading for Lopez. Only players worth giving up are Ennis, draft pick (s), Plumlee and Shav. Anybody else, no thanks.

Seems like Suns could offer anything and they'll give in.

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[Puff]

Well I think we all have traded one or more of our three headed point guard group at some point this year and it appears that is not going to happen anytime soon. They seem to be building chemistry and appear to legitimately like each other. Winning can do wonders. I actually can see it working going forward. The guy that is really getting left out of the mix is Green. His minutes have shrunk and his play is in the toilet as well. It looks like he is pressing while trying to do the right thing and making a lot of stupid plays that really hurts the team. It also appears that his interest is elsewhere. The dilemma is that right after you say that he will come out and score 23 points in 22 minutes while helping us to victory.

What to do.

1. Sarver has commit to sign Dragic to an extensionat all costs, prior to the trade deadline. We did not do that with Amare and he walked for nothing in return the summer of 2010. We have been trying to find a replacement since. I expect the same thing will happen if Dragic walks for free. We witnessed our ability to attract free agents this past summer. In order to get equal value for him we need to trade him prior to the trade deadline. I hope we can agree to an extension with him. I love the guy not unlike I loved Amare and Amare was my favorite player, ever. Even though I loved Amare and liked the run we mad to the WCF. I would have preferred that we traded him for something in return prior to the deadline.

2. We really need to trade Green prior to the deadline, especially if we plan on extending Dragic. I doubt we will have the money to sign him in the off season. I think he could bring back something nice in trade, like another big. It is unfortunate because I have the ultimate love hate relationship with him. When he is good he is fantastic but he makes some of the dumbest basketball plays in history.

Bottom line the future of the franchise is at stake. If we let both of these guys walk for nothing this summer we will basically be back to square one. I like our direction but we cannot just sit on our hands.

Go Suns

[kennydorglas]

Well I think we all have traded one or more of our three headed point guard group at some point this year and it appears that is not going to happen anytime soon. They seem to be building chemistry and appear to legitimately like each other. Winning can do wonders. I actually can see it working going forward. The guy that is really getting left out of the mix is Green. His minutes have shrunk and his play is in the toilet as well. It looks like he is pressing while trying to do the right thing and making a lot of stupid plays that really hurts the team. It also appears that his interest is elsewhere. The dilemma is that right after you say that he will come out and score 23 points in 22 minutes while helping us to victory.

What to do.

1. Sarver has commit to sign Dragic to an extensionat all costs, prior to the trade deadline. We did not do that with Amare and he walked for nothing in return the summer of 2010. We have been trying to find a replacement since. I expect the same thing will happen if Dragic walks for free. We witnessed our ability to attract free agents this past summer. In order to get equal value for him we need to trade him prior to the trade deadline. I hope we can agree to an extension with him. I love the guy not unlike I loved Amare and Amare was my favorite player, ever. Even though I loved Amare and liked the run we mad to the WCF. I would have preferred that we traded him for something in return prior to the deadline.

2. We really need to trade Green prior to the deadline, especially if we plan on extending Dragic. I doubt we will have the money to sign him in the off season. I think he could bring back something nice in trade, like another big. It is unfortunate because I have the ultimate love hate relationship with him. When he is good he is fantastic but he makes some of the dumbest basketball plays in history.

Bottom line the future of the franchise is at stake. If we let both of these guys walk for nothing this summer we will basically be back to square one. I like our direction but we cannot just sit on our hands.

Go Suns

We cant extend Dragic. His previous salary was too low, he'll receive much more in FA.

[Mr-Al]

Hey guys, this is a trade I came up with quickly and posted in the trade forum. What do you think?

Phoenix Trades: PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin, Gerald Green

Gets: Nikola Mirotic and Dunleavy (or Mirotic and whoever really, Snell etc.)

Chicago Trades: Mirotic and Dunleavy

Gets: PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin, Gerald Green

Chicago gets a substantial defensive improvement at the SF position that also shoots the 3 ball well, a tough guy that doesn't need many touches but affects the game in so many positive ways. Can guard and play multiple positions (takes stress off Butler too) A very Thibs kind of player in their prime on a decent contract

I see this trade as Chicago really trying to win now with the East in a state of turnover, after many unlucky years of injuries and happenstance. Green is expiring and gives them a 3 point shooting x-factor of the bench, while Goodwin is a decent prospect going forward and has great physical tools.

Phoenix gets a very much needed stretch 4 in Mirotic who can thrive in a fast break offense (with potential/youth) that can contribute now and get much more minutes.

A Mirotic/Len frontcourt going forward has a good amount of potential and versatility.

Suns might lose more games this year, but then again they're technically still in a rebuild and shouldn't care about this year's playoff situation too much either way with OKC looming behind them

Would appreciate any feedback (maybe Suns add a pick somewhere?)


I love PJ Tucker and his heart/leadership but the team should still look to improve/rebuild if they want to eventually be real contenders and not a fringe playoff team. A lot of contenders would absolutely love Tucker and if we were that close, I wouldn't let Tucker go. I don't see Green having any future of the team anyway and while I like Goodwin, I like Mirotic much more. This also opens up more playing time for Warren

[MrMiyagi]

West and Hill are really the only two that would need to be moved. Hibbert maybe, but why give up a 26/27 year-old 7'2 defensive anchor?

Their situation is much more similar to Chicago's. Could you imagine the Bulls if they would have freaked out and decided to trade Rose and Noah and Taj? That would've been ridiculous. They were patient and got rid of a massive contract (Boozer) so they could improve. West and Hill fit those descriptors for the Pacers.

I don't know what their situation has to do with Chicago. Indiana is maxed out and they're not even a playoff team in the east. Even with George the Pacers are significantly worse than Chicago at 4 positions and HC.

You don't see the parallels between George being out and Rose being out? Hibbert is one of the best centers in the NBA at protecting the rim, which is an extremely important commodity in basketball. Basically I'm saying that Hibbert is their Noah. I know, skill sets are different, yada yada yada, but let's be honest, they're both near the top of their position. If I recall correctly, Chicago had a maxed out cap and traded Deng for cap flexibility, amnestied Boozer and were able to get some help without abandoning their core. Seems like a better template to me than exploding your team and becoming the 76ers.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is a great article. The writer is very realistic about the current Suns team. Worth a read. I have to agree with almost everything in it.

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/12/29/trade- ... -question/

[RunDogGun]

So your plan is to make us worse? I really don't think that would be in McD's mindset. I don't want to trade our best wing defender to get a bench player.

[DirtyDez]

West and Hill are really the only two that would need to be moved. Hibbert maybe, but why give up a 26/27 year-old 7'2 defensive anchor?

Their situation is much more similar to Chicago's. Could you imagine the Bulls if they would have freaked out and decided to trade Rose and Noah and Taj? That would've been ridiculous. They were patient and got rid of a massive contract (Boozer) so they could improve. West and Hill fit those descriptors for the Pacers.

I don't know what their situation has to do with Chicago. Indiana is maxed out and they're not even a playoff team in the east. Even with George the Pacers are significantly worse than Chicago at 4 positions and HC.

You don't see the parallels between George being out and Rose being out? Hibbert is one of the best centers in the NBA at protecting the rim, which is an extremely important commodity in basketball. Basically I'm saying that Hibbert is their Noah. I know, skill sets are different, yada yada yada, but let's be honest, they're both near the top of their position. If I recall correctly, Chicago had a maxed out cap and traded Deng for cap flexibility, amnestied Boozer and were able to get some help without abandoning their core. Seems like a better template to me than exploding your team and becoming the 76ers.

I don't know what Hibbert and Noah have to do with my point. The Bulls without Rose were still a good team. The Pacers without George are terrible.

It is wishful thinking that they trade him but I don't think Bird deciding to "nuke" his team is crazy given their direction and financial situation.

[bigfoot]

Yeah I'm all for trading for Lopez. Only players worth giving up are Ennis, draft pick (s), Plumlee and Shav. Anybody else, no thanks.

Seems like Suns could offer anything and they'll give in.

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Except the important part everyone misses is the incoming and outgoing salaries have to be close to make the trade. With Lopez making close to $15M we need to send out about $12M in salary. Only way to do that is send Thomas and a couple other low paid players.

[Mr-Al]

So your plan is to make us worse? I really don't think that would be in McD's mindset. I don't want to trade our best wing defender to get a bench player.

McD's mindset is for the Suns to be average? Only a dumb GM wouldn't Tucker for Mirotic in a vacuum

Unless of course you're a team like okc, the bulls, etc. Teams that can't afford to lose championship cogs

PJ Tucker's is at his ceiling, a good 3 & D player

Mirotic has all-star potential and is currently in the ROY conversation


God forbid we trade a vet/role player and lose a couple more games, then we really might not win a championship this year

[Jdiddy701]

Yeah I'm all for trading for Lopez. Only players worth giving up are Ennis, draft pick (s), Plumlee and Shav. Anybody else, no thanks.

Seems like Suns could offer anything and they'll give in.

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Except the important part everyone misses is the incoming and outgoing salaries have to be close to make the trade. With Lopez making close to $15M we need to send out about $12M in salary. Only way to do that is send Thomas and a couple other low paid players.

You sir are correct.. Wish we had a bad contract with one year left we could give. Gonna have to need a 3rd team to get in. I don't think Suns are dumb enough to add IT or Green for a player like Lopez.


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[Cutter]

Suns don't need to trade PJ Tucker for Brook Lopez or Nikola Mirotic. This team has plenty of offensive firepower. We are currently #5 in the league at 105.7 PPG and only a couple of PPG from being the highest scoring team in the league. On our current 6 game win streak we are the highest scoring team in the NBA. We don't need more offensive weapons, we need defense. We are currently #25 in the league in defense allowing opposing teams to score 103 PPG. Trading a defensive minded player like PJ Tucker would without a doubt make us worse defensively. I am confident that none of Sarver, McD or Hornacek want to make a trade that makes the team worse.

It's all about balance between offense and defense. We have plenty of offense, if anything we need more defensive minded players.