NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

[yosemiteben]

He's on it. Bank on that.

Strongly disagree.

[MasterIchiro]

Cho is going to get exposed without Al covering up the rest of the roster he built. We will be more entertaining to watch though!

[Diop]

Rod Higgins, is that you??

[-Ian-]

Rod Higgins, is that you??

Higgins must be laughing his ass right now.

[BobsBuddy]

I still think Cho is brilliant and Clifford is the right coach. Look for some players to be traded now . Cho has said in the past that you draft for the future and you trade for need. He can do both right now by trading AL to OKC .
Trade checker 6587847 Al,Neal,Maxciel for Perkins,Morrow, and McGary.
They get AL who after a month will help their playoff chances this season and next ,Maxciel to fill in as backup for Adams and Neal to replace Morrow. And both Neal and Maxciel are expiring contracts.
We get Perkins who can start at Center or Backup Biz,Morrow who is a G/F swing man and Mc Gary as a future center.

Don't fire Cho just twang the roster for now AND the future.

[TheKingofSting]

Cho has outstayed his welcome.

[MasterIchiro]

Cho has outstayed his welcome.

Nonsense - I see not one issue with him in any of the drafts, FA signings, trades or non-moves - lock him up to a lifetime contract and do it now before he prices himself out of Charlotte!

[Diop]

as much as I like the guy I think Bismack was the worst draft pick he has made. He was such an unknown, I remember reading the scouting reports on him when he was first uncovered and thinking I don't want that dude on this team. Too big a project.

yet we picked him 7th. was such a gamble and its burnt him.

I've liked Cho's trades, but the drafting of Biz then Zeller have me losing confidence.

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah you do too many unorthodox things trying to be all clever and you start to look like the Sacramento Kings.

Biz and Zeller were definitely weird picks.

[Liver_Pooty]

Yeah you do too many unorthodox things trying to be all clever and you start to look like the Sacramento Kings.

Biz and Zeller were definitely weird picks.

Compared to the rest of the top 10 in the draft Zeller is actually just fine.

Biyombo on the other hand, damn.

[MasterIchiro]

Well I dislike all his picks except Kemba and that's not his pick so I'm kind of screwed with him. Did you know my roommate in Charlotte works at the country club where Cho's wife plays tennis?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I don't think that Zeller was that bad a pick in retrospect. He was doing fine this year until his nose was broken. Kid has guts playing with it the way he is, but it's understandable that he's not having quite the same impact as it heals.

I also think that it's hard to fully separate Higgens and MJ from Cho's body of work at this point. We have ideas about some things but no real substantiated sources for many of those. The larger problem is that while individual moves like drafting MKG look OK in isolation this team just doesn't seem to fit together 100% ... and players like Biz and MKG just don't seem to fit Clifford at all.

Honestly I'm at the point where I'm OK with the idea of major changes, including the firing of Cho if it comes to that. But if I were in MJ's shoes I would be more tempted to fire Cliff or include SOME of the younger guys in trades that made both short and long term sense and fit together better.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Oh, and for what it's worth almost every time a GM gets fired the coach is the next to go. New GMs like to bring in their own guys. So if the Bug do show Cho the door Cliff is almost certainly next.

[JDR720]

Biz is the worst pick so far, but he shows flashes of being a very solid player and he is still young i think he can pull it together, just takes him longer since he is a real project and bigs take a while sometimes, hopefully he plays well with Al out.

I loved the kemba pick and still do but he has to shoot better.

MKG is starting to turn the corner, i think he can/will make some All-defense teams with good offense.

Cody was a surprise but he has been pretty good so far, he has improved quite a bit even though he is in a slump now.

Vonleh was the obvious pick and im glad he fell to us, im 99% sure we wanted PJ with the portland pick so im fine with that. pick.

Add another top 5 pick from this draft and we have very nice core.

[MasterIchiro]

Oka core

[Diop]

I refuse to play hindsight drafting, just too unfair. There will always be Gilbert Arenas likes around, but this is how I wanted to draft over the years. Who I wanted on the night.

2011 - Alec Burks, Kawhi Leonard (Kanter and Valančiūnas were already selected)
I wasn't excited over Kemba as I thought Dj could/would be a solid starting point guard. I'm worse than Cho's computer

2012 is a difficult one, I wanted to trade the pick for 2 lower down. Can't really say what was available. The only definite was 2 and 31 for 4, 24 and 33.
I considered Drummond as a high risk - high reward type but wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on him.
I believe I would have gone = Thom Robinson and Perry Jones III (yes, I wanted Thor, I was not alone on this board. Yuck)

2013 would have been a tossup between Noel and McLemore. McLemore was my target as I didn't expect Noel to drop. Could the addition of Burks have made me select Noel?? maybe, lets say I did.

In the last draft I would have grabbed the slipping Vonleh as well. Seemed to good of value for that pick.

So lets compare my mediocre internet knowledge with Cho's computer.

Biyombo, Kemba, MKG, Zeller and Vonleh
vs
Burks, Kawhi, Robinson, Perry Jones III, Noel, Vonleh

Firstly, I know this argument is already flawed as the team would have changed dramatically with each different draft. I can imagine that I would have been desperately searching for a new point guard after Dj imploded. (might have selected Lillard and lucked myself into a winner )

but overall I don't think I would have drafted any better than Cho, but then again I don't get paid millions of dollars for it.

[Diop]

thinking about the Dj situation and the fact that Lillard was drafted after Robinson has me day dreaming.

Imagine if out of desperation GM Sachmo selects Lillard with the Robinson pick.

Lillard, Roberts
Lance, Burks, Hendo,
Kawhi, PJ III
Noel, Marv, Vonleh, Max
Al, Noel, Vonleh

or something like that. I change my mind, Sachmo WINS!!!!!!


Alright I will put the bottle down now.

[BlackOutBuzz]

My picks probably would've been...

2011: Knight and Kawhi
2012: Beal and Quincy Miller
2013: Noel
2014: Vonleh and...honestly, I guess PJ. I really wanted one of the Young, Harris, Hood, Hairston group and was heartbroken when Hood went 23rd.

[MasterIchiro]

2011: Kemba and Kawhi (I had Kemba going top 3, go figure)
2012: Beal. I really wanted to get the Blazers picks but that was not happening. I would have selected Drummond and Lamb (go figure again). Without a miracle deal, I would have drafted Beal more to spite the Cavs for not trading up and including their late 1st that year. I didn't care about the logjam at SG but the Cavs played that right and probably decided MKG was OK for them.
2013: I guess I can't draft McLemore here since I chose Beal. I think I would have taken him anyways because I liked him far more than any player in that draft. So BPA here.
2014: Vonleh with the Pistons pick. Shabazz (go figure) with the Blazers pick

Kemba/Shabazz
Beal/McLemore
Kawhi
Vonleh
Al

Cho's result is really bad.

[Benjamin Linus]

Man I was so excited when we brought in Cho. That excitement deflated as soon as we drafted Biz. Biz was on my Do Not Draft List even with the 19th before we traded it.

I wanted us to go heavy on offense. We've always been a defensive focused / lousy offensive team so I wanted to see something different. I wanted a fun to watch, high scoring, raining threes type of team. I would have much rather watched us build a top-five offense with a bottom-five defense than the other way around. Funny, I didn't even want Kawhi because I didn't think he would be a good enough offensive player/shooter. So that shows how much I know. But I was really high on Klay Thompson, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, and had an irrational love for Jordan Hamilton and MarShon Brooks.

I think I had at least three players that ended up being available ranked ahead of every one of our draft picks, aside from Kemba. Not sure if my team would have been better, but it would have been waaaay different for sure.