Morrow vs Lamb

[Bravenewworld]

You just cant stand being wrong, this started because you said this was all because Uconn then I proved it wasn't then you moved onto sayin hes wildly inconsistent even though his career fg% is over 42% Now your asking why Butler got his minutes like Brooks is really going to gamble on the 1 seed in the western conference on a guy they had playing in Tulsa a few months before.

You didn't prove or disprove anything.
You told me how you felt and then moved on to citing one random week where he shot well from the 3. While ignoring his game to game production and how inconsistent and bad it can actually be.

BTW, when Lamb was getting most of his DNPs (pretty sure i mentioned this before) this was not during a playoff push. It was early in the season (like first 24 games or something. It was not an example of "we need the experience, lets bring in Butler and not play Lamb at all", which btw, would not have even happened in the POs if there was not an issue with Lamb.

[bondom34]

Hey, I agree w/ ya here man, but sheesh! I was hopeful for the kid's future, still think he can be a decent sixth man type for someone, just maybe not OKC, I don't like any guys this much !

That's what im trying to get through to this guy. None of us didnt want this guy to work out, wtf kind of bs is that? Why would any of us root against him? I think its safe to say, we all want to see him putting 25ppg at 45% from the 3. But that's not happening and some of us started noticing these trends and lack of growth earlier on then others. Which hey, could be pessimistic on our end (as i was one of these people) but none the less it turns out to be more correct than not.

He really is a mirror image of JR Smith, and that guy is the most frustrating player ive ever witnessed. Of every 5 games having 1 game where he looks like one of the most impressive players in the NBA, 1 where he has a solid night. Then 3 where it looks like he has never played an NBA game before in his life.
I think on a team with a lack of options, he could really shine. But when that team his a position of contending and obviously has enough options, his issues end up being highlighted more and become a detriment over a positive.

JR is a bit of a tough comp, Lamb isn't screwing off during games at least. Honestly if Brooks would play him I'm fine just keeping him, he's at least cheap. I just can't stand Smith getting minutes, and if a trade gets his minutes cut, I'm happy.

[Bravenewworld]

Hey, I agree w/ ya here man, but sheesh! I was hopeful for the kid's future, still think he can be a decent sixth man type for someone, just maybe not OKC, I don't like any guys this much !

That's what im trying to get through to this guy. None of us didnt want this guy to work out, wtf kind of bs is that? Why would any of us root against him? I think its safe to say, we all want to see him putting 25ppg at 45% from the 3. But that's not happening and some of us started noticing these trends and lack of growth earlier on then others. Which hey, could be pessimistic on our end (as i was one of these people) but none the less it turns out to be more correct than not.

He really is a mirror image of JR Smith, and that guy is the most frustrating player ive ever witnessed. Of every 5 games having 1 game where he looks like one of the most impressive players in the NBA, 1 where he has a solid night. Then 3 where it looks like he has never played an NBA game before in his life.
I think on a team with a lack of options, he could really shine. But when that team his a position of contending and obviously has enough options, his issues end up being highlighted more and become a detriment over a positive.

JR is a bit of a tough comp, Lamb isn't screwing off during games at least. Honestly if Brooks would play him I'm fine just keeping him, he's at least cheap. I just can't stand Smith getting minutes, and if a trade gets his minutes cut, I'm happy.

I dont care about Lamb or Ish in our line up anymore. I just want us to trade Lamb for Wroten straight up, and then give Morrow 28-30 minutes a game. At least we know he is a consistent enough defender and a spot up shooter that we really needed. Use him to help move Wroten along and hopefully would have a fix.

I also don't think Smith/Lamb is a tough comparison. When we look at game by game numbers of Lamb and consider what we do see out of him on his "on" nights, its pretty similar.

[bondom34]

Hey, I agree w/ ya here man, but sheesh! I was hopeful for the kid's future, still think he can be a decent sixth man type for someone, just maybe not OKC, I don't like any guys this much !

That's what im trying to get through to this guy. None of us didnt want this guy to work out, wtf kind of bs is that? Why would any of us root against him? I think its safe to say, we all want to see him putting 25ppg at 45% from the 3. But that's not happening and some of us started noticing these trends and lack of growth earlier on then others. Which hey, could be pessimistic on our end (as i was one of these people) but none the less it turns out to be more correct than not.

He really is a mirror image of JR Smith, and that guy is the most frustrating player ive ever witnessed. Of every 5 games having 1 game where he looks like one of the most impressive players in the NBA, 1 where he has a solid night. Then 3 where it looks like he has never played an NBA game before in his life.
I think on a team with a lack of options, he could really shine. But when that team his a position of contending and obviously has enough options, his issues end up being highlighted more and become a detriment over a positive.

Oh, I see what you mean w/ JR, and its frustrating for sure. I just mean at least Lamb's not untying shoelaces or getting into offcourt trouble. JR's a headcase in non basketball stuff.

[Bravenewworld]

Oh, I see what you mean w/ JR, and its frustrating for sure. I just mean at least Lamb's not untying shoelaces or getting into offcourt trouble. JR's a headcase in non basketball stuff.

Id be WAY more entertained by Lamb if he started untying peoples shoes.

[Joest2003]

Oh, I see what you mean w/ JR, and its frustrating for sure. I just mean at least Lamb's not untying shoelaces or getting into offcourt trouble. JR's a headcase in non basketball stuff.

Id be WAY more entertained by Lamb if he started untying peoples shoes.

The coach wouldnt

[Joest2003]

Hey, I agree w/ ya here man, but sheesh! I was hopeful for the kid's future, still think he can be a decent sixth man type for someone, just maybe not OKC, I don't like any guys this much !

That's what im trying to get through to this guy. None of us didnt want this guy to work out, wtf kind of bs is that? Why would any of us root against him? I think its safe to say, we all want to see him putting 25ppg at 45% from the 3. But that's not happening and some of us started noticing these trends and lack of growth earlier on then others. Which hey, could be pessimistic on our end (as i was one of these people) but none the less it turns out to be more correct than not.

He really is a mirror image of JR Smith, and that guy is the most frustrating player ive ever witnessed. Of every 5 games having 1 game where he looks like one of the most impressive players in the NBA, 1 where he has a solid night. Then 3 where it looks like he has never played an NBA game before in his life.
I think on a team with a lack of options, he could really shine. But when that team his a position of contending and obviously has enough options, his issues end up being highlighted more and become a detriment over a positive.

Mirror image of jr smith? Common man that was the laziest/worst comparison I might have ever heard in my life. even think podirk would get a good laugh out of that. So ever 22 year old who shoots 42% is a jr smith jr? We already established on this thread lamb rebounds and assists better than morrow in less minutes played thats why has a higher efficiency rating. Last time I checked he wasnt getting in fights or suspended for drugs either. calling him a mirror image of jr smith just killed your credibility here no one here will admit it but it did.

[Podirk]

lamb is a great player and would be a starter on any other team. Problem is, on the all star team of the thunder, you won't be given minutes. Thunder are just way too stacked to allow minutes for a developing prospect.

Let's do this....
Team Starter SG Bench (SG) Would Lamb steal a spot?
Celtics Bradley Thorton No, maybe a handful of min
Nets Karasev (!!!!) Bojan Actually this might be one of his best shots
Knicks Shump JR Smith Maybe...but JR would cause a stir
76ers Thompson (an thunderer from the past) KJ They aren't playing for anything but Ls...so good shot
Raptors Greivis Derozan Nope maybe a handful of min
Bulls Butler Heinrich Nope maybe a handful of min
Cavs Miller Waiters Nope maybe a handful of min

So only going through 7 teams it looks like Lamb could expect spot minutes mostly on playoff teams, and his best shot is on bottom barrel teams playing for a better draft pick. And this tells us a few things:

1. A trade with Lamb isn't gonna be landscape changing in the NBA.
2. However there are fits out there for Lamb
3. There is MAYBE a few teams he could start for...but majority of teams he would currently struggle to get minutes.

[Podirk]

Lamb def hasn't caused a stir like Smith can off the court, and no law issues off the court.

I went back to Lambs draftexpress profile and it had a high side of Kevin Martin and a low side of Rashad Mccants...thinking about going and comparing the stats..but I haven't had coffee yet.

[Joest2003]

Lamb def hasn't caused a stir like Smith can off the court, and no law issues off the court.

I went back to Lambs draftexpress profile and it had a high side of Kevin Martin and a low side of Rashad Mccants...thinking about going and comparing the stats..but I haven't had coffee yet.

Hes only 22 so compare to a 22 year old martin otherwise theres no real point to that.

[Podirk]

Lamb def hasn't caused a stir like Smith can off the court, and no law issues off the court.

I went back to Lambs draftexpress profile and it had a high side of Kevin Martin and a low side of Rashad Mccants...thinking about going and comparing the stats..but I haven't had coffee yet.

Hes only 22 so compare to a 22 year old martin otherwise theres no real point to that.

When draftexpress is comparing them I'm fairly certain that it's comparing what type of career they may have.

Looking at the 3s stats noone really stands out from the others at age 22. The vets however take a vastly different role after 22. Martin showed drastic improvements and was leading teams within a few years. McCants started to show improvements then fell off the face of the earth...reading his wiki was pretty funny/sad. Rashad has been on a dozen or so teams all over the world and never sticks.

For kicks I did Morrow at 22...funny enough he was in college at 22. I looked at his rookie NBA season(age 23) and besides a stretch where he got traded and injured he has pretty much been the same player throughout his career.

[Podirk]

What I gathered from all of that is :
1. Can't be sure what route Lamb goes from here (age 22). Could go either way.
2. He came out of college to soon (a pretty blanketing statement now a days)
3. I'm leanin more on the side where I wouldn't mind keeping Lamb BUT he's got to show improvement soon.

[Joest2003]

What I gathered from all of that is :
1. Can't be sure what route Lamb goes from here (age 22). Could go either way.
2. He came out of college to soon (a pretty blanketing statement now a days)
3. I'm leanin more on the side where I wouldn't mind keeping Lamb BUT he's got to show improvement soon.

Spot on analysis. Good to see us on the same page for once.

[Podirk]

I'd imagine we disagree on mins that Lamb should/shouldn't get but common ground, seemingly, has been reached.

[Joest2003]

I'd imagine we disagree on mins that Lamb should/shouldn't get but common ground, seemingly, has been reached.

Im not really willing to speculate what minues he would or wouldnt get on different teams thats impossible to know.

[Bravenewworld]

Lamb def hasn't caused a stir like Smith can off the court, and no law issues off the court.

I went back to Lambs draftexpress profile and it had a high side of Kevin Martin and a low side of Rashad Mccants...thinking about going and comparing the stats..but I haven't had coffee yet.

Hes only 22 so compare to a 22 year old martin otherwise theres no real point to that.

When draftexpress is comparing them I'm fairly certain that it's comparing what type of career they may have.

Its a comparison of potential skill sets. DE is saying best case is a high volume scorer/shooter.

Im not sure why anyone would suggest you can only compare a 22 year old with another 22 year old, that's rather silly. Every player in the NBA has a different learning curve and the only time we really pay attention to age is when looking for common theme's among players.
So, for example, its safe to say that between the ages of 27-33 players are in their prime, prime being the best mix of experience, IQ and still having the ability to play at a high level.
Or when we are looking at younger players, saying "He should have dished there instead of taking it himself, that's a young player mistake and in a year or so he wont be doing that".

[Bravenewworld]

Mirror image of jr smith? Common man that was the laziest/worst comparison I might have ever heard in my life. even think podirk would get a good laugh out of that. So ever 22 year old who shoots 42% is a jr smith jr? We already established on this thread lamb rebounds and assists better than morrow in less minutes played thats why has a higher efficiency rating. Last time I checked he wasnt getting in fights or suspended for drugs either. calling him a mirror image of jr smith just killed your credibility here no one here will admit it but it did.

You know whats great? When people cant bother reading or paying attention to what is being said. I absolutely love repeating myself and love having to address things ive already addressed.

I clearly stated that Lamb is a mirror image of JR Smith in terms of how inconsistent he is and how frustrating it is to watch him.

Even worse, you start bringing up shooting percentages, which again im not sure what has to do with anything and you would know what that is, if you've been paying attention..... clearly you have not.
But just for **** and giggles... When JR Smith was 22 (since apparently direct age comparisons is the most important thing to do), he was averaging 46%FG and 40% from the 3... yet he was still inconsistent. Why is that? If you bothered paying attention, you would know how a player can be massively inconsistent and still have what would amount to good averages. But those averages do NOT escape the fact that said player can vanish for 4, 5, 6 games.

[spearsy23]

I'm certainly not ready to give up on Lamb. Until we see him, KD and Russ all in the lineup for a month I'm not judging his future. He shouldn't have the ball in his hands ever, not yet at least, so I'm interested in what might happen with KD drawing attention and Russ/Reggie handling the ball. He should never be more than the third option on the floor, which is going to be difficult with Brooks' platoon swap rotations, but if he gets some time where his only creative duties are 'dribble twice and, if you aren't at the basket, pass' maybe he'll look more comfortable.

That said, by the Allstar break, if he hasn't shown anything it's time for Morrow to take every one of his minutes.