2015-16 UW Badger Basketball Discussion Thread

[SpursNBucks]

I can't imagine being an nba GM and thinking sam dekker could ever improve my team.

Yeah. Just disappears so much. I could see taking a flyer on him in the 2nd round but draft sites still have him going between like 15-20. That's way too high for him.

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Dekker hasn't really improved since his Frosh year. He just is a very good college player- I just don't see him having ANY impact in the NBA. They have him WAY too high in some of these mocks - he might as well stay on another year and enjoy the college experience. I don't really see how hanging around another year will hurt his NBA value that much.

[HaroldinGMinor]

You want to know why Dekker is valued so much by NBA scouts? Go look at Gordon Hayward's stats his last year at Butler. Dekker is a very similar player with similar athleticism. He's got a projectable skill set.

[mattg]

You want to know why Dekker is valued so much by NBA scouts? Go look at Gordon Hayward's stats his last year at Butler. Dekker is a very similar player with similar athleticism. He's got a projectable skill set.

Thy really aren't similar at all. Hayward showed far more ball skills, handling in isolation, running PnR, playmaking, etc. Dekker literally has none of that in his game, he's much closer to a small 4 than a 2/3 like Hayward.

[midranger]

Exactly. Dekker has very little in the way of a perimeter game, those threes last night not withstanding.

He's an inconsistent at best outside shooter, can't beat his man one on one all the way to the rim, makes questionable decisions in the passing game, etc... he looks much better scoring off of transition, offensive rebounds, baseline cuts, and flash posts.

Though its not a perfect comparison, I think he could have a similar impact to lrmam, another kid who would have been a lotto pick as a freshman but never really developed discernible thereafter.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Hayward shot 29% from three his sophomore year. Is that a perimeter game?

In the four games since the MU game, which was probably the last game he can use the ankle as an excuse, Dekker has hit 6 of 13 from three (46%) and 16 of 28 from 2pt (57%) . Small sample but worth mentioning in the context of "He has very little perimeter game".

[SpursNBucks]

You want to know why Dekker is valued so much by NBA scouts? Go look at Gordon Hayward's stats his last year at Butler. Dekker is a very similar player with similar athleticism. He's got a projectable skill set.

First of all we will see if he is valued that much by Scouts come Draft time = just because some mocks have him rated around the middle of the 1st round this time of year doesn't really mean that is where he will end up getting picked. As far as a comparison to Gordon Hayward = other them being white, I just don't see a lot of the same qualities/skill set on the court. Gordon is a 2/3 where Dekker is a 3/4 "tweener" = I don't think he really fits either spot at the next level = at least not at a high level.

I think Dekker has good athleticism, but he just hasn't really developed his game much since his Frosh year. He kind of teases you with occasional high level play and you think he is coming around, but disappears too much. Like I said before - I think he is a very solid/good college player, but don't see him having much success on the next level.

[HurricaneKid]

It kind of feels like there is a lull for Bo's teams around this time of year but losing to Buffalo at home at halftime? Ugh. Lets go fellas.

[Kerb Hohl]

Buffalo was beating Kentucky by 5 at half. Other than losing at St. Bonnies, they have looked like quite a good team. I've stowed this team away as an upset run candidate come tournament time if they can win the MAC. Hurley seems to be doing well there.

[mattg]

Hayward shot 29% from three his sophomore year. Is that a perimeter game?

In the four games since the MU game, which was probably the last game he can use the ankle as an excuse, Dekker has hit 6 of 13 from three (46%) and 16 of 28 from 2pt (57%) . Small sample but worth mentioning in the context of "He has very little perimeter game".

Hayward struggles shooting off the dribble when he's the number 1 option, everyone knows that. But he's been a spot up terror since he was 18 playing for team USA. As for everything else, just look at their respective skill sets. Even if Hayward couldnt shoot whatsoever he'd still have more perimeter game than dekker since he's a very capable ball handler. Can't see dekker ever being able to act as a secondary ball handler at the nba level based on what we've seen. Other than being white these 2 guys just don't have much in common as players, they're just different.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Hayward shot 29% from three his sophomore year. Is that a perimeter game?

In the four games since the MU game, which was probably the last game he can use the ankle as an excuse, Dekker has hit 6 of 13 from three (46%) and 16 of 28 from 2pt (57%) . Small sample but worth mentioning in the context of "He has very little perimeter game".

Hayward struggles shooting off the dribble when he's the number 1 option, everyone knows that. But he's been a spot up terror since he was 18 playing for team USA. As for everything else, just look at their respective skill sets. Even if Hayward couldnt shoot whatsoever he'd still have more perimeter game than dekker since he's a very capable ball handler. Can't see dekker ever being able to act as a secondary ball handler at the nba level based on what we've seen. Other than being white these 2 guys just don't have much in common as players, they're just different.

And Dekker was the best player at Lebron Skills Academy. I'm not saying he's a lottery pick and it's obvious his game has warts but to not see the NBA potential (a 6'9" guy that can run the floor, pass, dribble, and shoot) is just not seeing the forest through the trees.

[SpursNBucks]

Hayward shot 29% from three his sophomore year. Is that a perimeter game?

In the four games since the MU game, which was probably the last game he can use the ankle as an excuse, Dekker has hit 6 of 13 from three (46%) and 16 of 28 from 2pt (57%) . Small sample but worth mentioning in the context of "He has very little perimeter game".

Hayward struggles shooting off the dribble when he's the number 1 option, everyone knows that. But he's been a spot up terror since he was 18 playing for team USA. As for everything else, just look at their respective skill sets. Even if Hayward couldnt shoot whatsoever he'd still have more perimeter game than dekker since he's a very capable ball handler. Can't see dekker ever being able to act as a secondary ball handler at the nba level based on what we've seen. Other than being white these 2 guys just don't have much in common as players, they're just different.

And Dekker was the best player at Lebron Skills Academy. I'm not saying he's a lottery pick and it's obvious his game has warts but to not see the NBA potential (a 6'9" guy that can run the floor, pass, dribble, and shoot) is just not seeing the forest through the trees.

Who of top quality was at the Lebron Academy? Other the Oubre/Johnson -I'm not sure there were really any top of the Draft players. Of the three I think Stanley Johnson is the best prospect. Keep in mind both Johnson and Oubre are just Frosh whereas Dekker is in his 3rd year. As far as NBA potential = weak/small for a 4, as for a 3 = so/so passer/dribbler with an inconsistent shot. The comparison of Heyward was apples/oranges. The fact is he really hasn't shown much improvement (if any) since his freshmen year.

[SpursNBucks]

Hayward struggles shooting off the dribble when he's the number 1 option, everyone knows that. But he's been a spot up terror since he was 18 playing for team USA. As for everything else, just look at their respective skill sets. Even if Hayward couldnt shoot whatsoever he'd still have more perimeter game than dekker since he's a very capable ball handler. Can't see dekker ever being able to act as a secondary ball handler at the nba level based on what we've seen. Other than being white these 2 guys just don't have much in common as players, they're just different.

And Dekker was the best player at Lebron Skills Academy. I'm not saying he's a lottery pick and it's obvious his game has warts but to not see the NBA potential (a 6'9" guy that can run the floor, pass, dribble, and shoot) is just not seeing the forest through the trees.

Who of top quality was at the Lebron Academy? Other the Oubre/Johnson -I'm not sure there were really any top of the Draft players. Of the three I think Stanley Johnson is the best prospect. Keep in mind both Johnson and Oubre are just Frosh whereas Dekker is in his 3rd year. As far as NBA potential = weak/small for a 4, as for a 3 = so/so passer/dribbler with an inconsistent shot. The comparison of Heyward was apples/oranges. The fact is he really hasn't shown much improvement (if any) since his freshmen year.

Coming off this camp and growing 2 inchs - thought this would be his year, but so far haven't seen much new.

[BUCKnation]

I'm definitely coming more and more to the realization that he is overrated. It's something that I have thought about for the past couple of seasons. He puts up his 15 a game and thats it, you rarely see him "take over" a game like Frank has the past 2 years. I think that is a big issue with him, especially when projecting his ability for the NBA.

[SpursNBucks]

I'm definitely coming more and more to the realization that he is overrated. It's something that I have thought about for the past couple of seasons. He puts up his 15 a game and thats it, you rarely see him "take over" a game like Frank has the past 2 years. I think that is a big issue with him, especially when projecting his ability for the NBA.

For a 6'9" 220 player in college that is supposed to be a possible lottery pick the rebounding should be better and his negative Ass/TO ratio speaks to his lack of ball security against mostly far inferior foes.

[trwi7]

Jackson Knighting it up. Gets a steal which resets the shot clock and instead of waiting for help, he takes a shot right away, 1 on 4. Misses and easy rebound for Penn State.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Penn St., mostly Newbill, is shooting lights out right now.

[Turk Nowitzki]

This is nonsense, no way they can keep up this shooting.

[Turk Nowitzki]

That was not a travel on Kaminsky, no way.

[ReasonablySober]

Final possessions not withstanding I liked how they finished off the half.

[tski1972]

The Badgers defense isn't nearly as good as they've been under Bo. This is most definitely an offensively built team.