Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

BakersDozen · Post #41 » by **BakersDozen** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 1:49 pm

andy582 wrote:if we were willing to sacrifice our cap space this summer, Denver could be a good partner to help out in exchange for their pick- Bass for Hickson, TPE for Gallo, Wallace for McGee and Denver's unprotected 2015 1st. They shave 18 million off their cap and restructure their roster- we delay our free agent spending one summer unless we can rehabilitate the guys we get and move them at draft time.

how bad is Gallo's injury? Isn't he out for the year?

Afam · Post #42 » by **Afam** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:12 pm

We are not going to get a great haul for Bass besides getting an expiring contract and a second round pick. We would have to include both Green and Bass in the same deal if we hope to get anything subsential in return.

klemen4 · Post #43 » by **klemen4** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:13 pm

There are multiple possible destinations for Green imo and yes 1st rounder is max will will get, looks like it.

TOR
- Fields 8,5 mill OR Hayes 6 mill (both exp.) + 1st rounder

MEM
- Prince 7,7 mill (exp.) + 1st rounder

PHO
- Thomas 7,2 (4 year contract) + 2nd rounder(doubt the would offer first) or one of Goodwin/Warren/Ennis (Warren would be great)

NOP
- does not have a lot to offer

CHA
- no expirings (Only neal 3,3 mill)....bot a lot of options

And there are at least a few more teams possible...Green should and will be traded, but looks like Danny will wait till trade deadline to put a pressure on teams to go into biding war.

Bass on other hand will not get us more than 2nd rounder imo.

Post #44 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:24 pm

I'm thinking Bass and Thornton as part of a package deal for a larger contract, say Eric Gordon, if New Orleans is : 1. not receiving substantial interest from other teams for him now, 2. want more scoring punch for a playoff run this year, and 3. want to clear cap room for this off-season.

FlatearthZorro · Post #45 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:48 pm

darrendaye wrote:I'm thinking Bass and Thornton as part of a package deal for a larger contract, say Eric Gordon, if New Orleans is : 1. not receiving substantial interest from other teams for him now, 2. want more scoring punch for a playoff run this year, and 3. want to clear cap room for this off-season.

Why would we want Eric Gordon? he's injury prone and seems really washed up... And why add salary for beyond this summer(he's not expiring right?)

Post #46 » by **canman1971** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:55 pm

No way Ainge takes on salary past this season of that magnitude. Expiring contacts, young cheap players or picks. That's it.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #47 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 3:29 pm

The Pelicans don't like draft picks very much.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #48 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 3:46 pm

There's no way someone is going to throw the Celtics a first round pick AND an expiring contract in exchange for an expiring contract. I just don't see it happening. I think Ainge should just waive Bass after the deadline and let him go to a contender. Keep Green and see what kind of deal he wants in the offseason. If he wants too much, just let him walk.

BfB · Post #49 » by **BfB** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:05 pm

The level of comprehension on this bosrd regarding NBA market value and team building strategy is staggeringly low...this is how you rebuild folks. The team is in year two of reconstruction with 10 first round picks, 5 quality young prospects, and tons of cap space - getting pissed over nuances of individual moves is ludacris relative to the teams progress to date...

Gomes3PC · Post #50 » by **Gomes3PC** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:23 pm

While I love the rapper, the proper spelling is "ludicrous"

Regarding trading the veterans, I am fine making a deal but I'd prefer to actually package them with one or two of the young guys to try to consolidate a few assets into something bigger. For example, try to use something like Green and Sullinger to get a really juicy piece, or Bass plus Brandan Wright.

jfs1000d · Post #51 » by **jfs1000d** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:26 pm

I am fine trading Green, but I will only do it for an expiring. I am not taking back any salary. I would also use a first round pick to get out of Gerald Wallace's contract.

Green is just a way to inconsistent player to build around, and let's be honest, since the Rondo trade is not giving effort. If you don't give a professional effort, I want you gone. That's my main contention with Rondo, and my main problem with Green.

Post #52 » by **canman1971** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:28 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:While I love the rapper, the proper spelling is "ludicrous"

Regarding trading the veterans, I am fine making a deal but I'd prefer to actually package them with one or two of the young guys to try to consolidate a few assets into something bigger. For example, try to use something like Green and Sullinger to get a really juicy piece, or Bass plus Brandan Wright.

I really don't think those guys are valued that much. Sullinger maybe, but Bass and Wright won't add anything to garner any "juicy" return. I mean, look what Rondo fetched.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #53 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:30 pm

BfB wrote:The level of comprehension on this bosrd regarding NBA market value and team building strategy is staggeringly low...this is how you rebuild folks. The team is in year two of reconstruction with 10 first round picks, 5 quality young prospects, and tons of cap space - getting pissed over nuances of individual moves is ludacris relative to the teams progress to date...

Glad we have someone who can humbly raise the level of discourse..

Celts17Pride · Post #54 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:32 pm

darrendaye wrote:I'm thinking Bass and Thornton as part of a package deal for a larger contract, say Eric Gordon, if New Orleans is : 1. not receiving substantial interest from other teams for him now, 2. want more scoring punch for a playoff run this year, and 3. want to clear cap room for this off-season.

Ainge is not adding $17 million on to next years payroll for Eric Gordon.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #55 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:33 pm

klemen4 wrote:There are multiple possible destinations for Green imo and yes 1st rounder is max will will get, looks like it.

TOR
- Fields 8,5 mill OR Hayes 6 mill (both exp.) + 1st rounder

MEM
- Prince 7,7 mill (exp.) + 1st rounder

PHO
- Thomas 7,2 (4 year contract) + 2nd rounder(doubt the would offer first) or one of Goodwin/Warren/Ennis (Warren would be great)

NOP
- does not have a lot to offer

CHA
- no expirings (Only neal 3,3 mill)....bot a lot of options

And there are at least a few more teams possible...Green should and will be traded, but looks like Danny will wait till trade deadline to put a pressure on teams to go into biding war.

Bass on other hand will not get us more than 2nd rounder imo.

The Raps and Grizz picks are such late 1sts, I'd want Nogueira or Ross from Toronto.. And I'd hold off on the Memphis trade unless it's a last ditch scenario and we want to tank harder..

Phoenix is a good fit but it's tough to know what's fair - should they add a pick because they're dumping salary? Should we do Wright for IT instead?

klemen4 · Post #56 » by **klemen4** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:40 pm

Considering the schedule till trade deadline is hard we can wait for the best offer...but every game Green wins us will hurt in the end, every game.

The others, well...If no deal I would buyout Bass, Thornton, Nelson...

Andrew McCeltic · Post #57 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:42 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
darrendaye wrote:I'm thinking Bass and Thornton as part of a package deal for a larger contract, say Eric Gordon, if New Orleans is : 1. not receiving substantial interest from other teams for him now, 2. want more scoring punch for a playoff run this year, and 3. want to clear cap room for this off-season.

Ainge is not adding $17 million on to next years payroll for Eric Gordon.

Yeah, what's in it for us? They don't have a pick to give, and they don't have any good cheap players.. It's only worth taking on big salary if we're dumping Wallace, consolidating contracts, or getting back some compensation- a high draft pick or a prospect. You can't take on Gordon just because the numbers work, especially when we're probably going to have major cap space for the first time in decades.

Banks2Pierce · Post #58 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:46 pm

jfs1000d wrote: I would also use a first round pick to get out of Gerald Wallace's contract.

Why, though? We already have the exceptions to collect assets for cash dumps and will have room to do stuff in FA if we need to. Don't really see multiple guys kicking around out there that interest me and are actually gettable.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #59 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:49 pm

klemen4 wrote:Considering the schedule till trade deadline is hard we can wait for the best offer...but every game Green wins us will hurt in the end, every game.

The others, well...If no deal I would buyout Bass, Thornton, Nelson...

True.. we were a tie-breaker away from getting Dante Exum.. every little bit of draft help counts.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #60 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 4:52 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
jfs1000d wrote: I would also use a first round pick to get out of Gerald Wallace's contract.

Why, though? We already have the exceptions to collect assets for cash dumps and will have room to do stuff in FA if we need to. Don't really see multiple guys kicking around out there that interest me and are actually gettable.

The risk is that the market changes- teams don't always have Wallace-sized trade exceptions lying around, or the incentive to use them. It's not crazy to do it now.. My impulse has always been to trade him for two smaller-salaried under-performers- like, this summer, Landry and Thompson- or look for another player underachieving and swap problems (Javale Mcgee?). I'd actually try to leverage the fact that we have two available small forwards- like deal Green to CHI or PHO or LAC and then let MEM deal Tayshaun for Gerald..