BMAC Are we trading Waiters?

Post #1 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 9:38 pm

From Pluto:

"With Anderson Varejao (Achilles tendon surgery) out for the season, the Cavs are prowling the league for a big man. That may lead to a trade of Dion Waiters, because the $5.3 million trade exception and a future draft pick probably is not enough to bring in a center who can actually play at a reasonable level."

I just have to say that the only centers that would match up with Waiter's salary would be Mozgov, Koufus, and Bismack. If the Cavs trade the Memphis 1st and Waiters for any of those guys, I'll be disappointed and my faith in Griffin will be shaken. I feel like he's overpaid in every single trade since last season ended.

Dupp · Post #2 » by **Dupp** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 9:49 pm

I think we should trade him but we'll need a replacement guard too.

Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 9:56 pm

Dupp wrote:I think we should trade him but we'll need a replacement guard too.

I could live with us trading him but I'd want Avery Bradley back. None of the centers that I listed would be worth both Waiters and the Memphis 1st.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #4 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:11 pm

You can trade Waiters and the TPE together if you structure the deal right.. Like Wright to CLE for your Bogans TPE, Waiters to BOS for a small salary or part of one of our TPEs.. Don't think you'll give up Waiters AND the MEM 1st if it's for Wright..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #5 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:17 pm

If you're willing to use Haywood's contract now, you can bundle Brendan/Dion/Amundson and get in the range of guys like Asik, Jordan Hill, Robin Lopez.. John Henson and Kyle O'Quinn are two cheap young players no one's mentioned..

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:26 pm

andy582 wrote:You can trade Waiters and the TPE together if you structure the deal right.. Like Wright to CLE for your Bogans TPE, Waiters to BOS for a small salary or part of one of our TPEs.. Don't think you'll give up Waiters AND the MEM 1st if it's for Wright..

Unless Bradley is part of the deal, I don't think it's for Wright. If Ainge has any interest in Waiters, I hope he's on the phone.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #7 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:30 pm

Bradley can't be traded until January 15, FWIW, and Wright can't be traded until February unless it's on his own- I know he can't be packaged with anyone, but I don't know the rule for players coming back. Waiters/Amundson makes the money work, I think. But Jordan Hill seems like the best fit the more I think about it- LA put him in the mix for Rondo, they want cap this summer, and they're always hungry for pseudo-stars.. Waiters/filler gets it done. And Hill's not a great player but he's big and athletic and fills a need..

Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:47 pm

andy582 wrote:Bradley can't be traded until January 15, FWIW, and Wright can't be traded until February unless it's on his own- I know he can't be packaged with anyone, but I don't know the rule for players coming back. Waiters/Amundson makes the money work, I think. But Jordan Hill seems like the best fit the more I think about it- LA put him in the mix for Rondo, they want cap this summer, and they're always hungry for pseudo-stars.. Waiters/filler gets it done. And Hill's not a great player but he's big and athletic and fills a need..

If we gift away Waiters for Jordan Hill, I'm done with Griffin as a GM. He will have overpaid on the three biggest trades he made this season.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #9 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 10:50 pm

Waiters is a gift now? I thought most of your board hated him.. I know I'm in the minority among Boston fans in liking him as an acquisition.. I think you guys moved too quickly on Love, but he's a great player- if you had insisted on keeping Wiggins and that deal fell through, who would you get instead? Same with Lebron.. You can defend those two over-pays (and who knew Tyler Zeller would be decent?)..

Dupp · Post #10 » by **Dupp** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 11:05 pm

I knew Zeller was decent he was showing good improvement last year he just got no opportunity. Cant believe we did that trade just to get rid of Jack, got hosed.

rjgraca · Post #11 » by **rjgraca** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 11:19 pm

Cavs don't need to get hosed with another deal with the Celtics. Only Griffin would give up a 1st and a good rotational center for cap space. Griffin has done a poor job of managing cap space. As stingy as some have said Cav's previous GM, Grant, was... Griffin has been really easy for other teams to deal with and now every team expects for the Cavs to over pay in panic mode. Wright is no center and is undersized to play extended minutes for a team.

IMO, the Cavs need to be patient and not sell low on Waiters which is the case in most of the deals proposed for the Cavs here and on the trade board.

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 11:19 pm

andy582 wrote:Waiters is a gift now? I thought most of your board hated him.. I know I'm in the minority among Boston fans in liking him as an acquisition.. I think you guys moved too quickly on Love, but he's a great player- if you had insisted on keeping Wiggins and that deal fell through, who would you get instead? Same with Lebron.. You can defend those two over-pays (and who knew Tyler Zeller would be decent?)..

Most of the board is sick of the Kyrie/Waiters drama which has started to manifest itself again with LBJ out. Kyrie needs to play along side a three and D SG (who he still won't pass to). Most Cavs fans are firmly in camp Kyrie. That's not really the point though. Even if you think trading Waiters would be the best thing for all parties, the Cavs have a limited number of assets and a multitude of needs.

We traded Zeller, Karsev, and a 1st to dump Jarrett Jack. That was gross overpay. We could have kept the Miami 1st in the Love trade. Wiggins is the best asset Flip was getting. Now I'm suppose to believe that Denver and Charlotte are keeping their centers of the past, in what have become tanking seasons, when there is cap relief and a future first to be had. They are just leveraging Griffin's desperation because he's bad at waiting out the BS.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #13 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 11:41 pm

Yeah I agree, sorry to say. But overspending to ensure you get Lebron and Love is defensible.. Overspending now is a mistake, but they're afraid of losing the two guys they just got.

The market for centers is tough this year, though.. Biyombo's per minute stats this year are insane.. Mozgov is Denver's best center right now.. Koufos would be attainable if Memphis wasn't having a great year and didn't have a third center..

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 12:03 am

andy582 wrote:Yeah I agree, sorry to say. But overspending to ensure you get Lebron and Love is defensible.. Overspending now is a mistake, but they're afraid of losing the two guys they just got.

The market for centers is tough this year, though.. Biyombo's per minute stats this year are insane.. Mozgov is Denver's best center right now.. Koufos would be attainable if Memphis wasn't having a great year and didn't have a third center..

I don't believe for a second that either Charlotte or Denver wants to hang onto those guys past the deadline. The price will come down if Griffin waits. But Griffin is going to lay his hand down early because that's what he does.

Post #15 » by **B Mac** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 4:15 am

I have no idea.

I HIGHLY doubt we trade Waiters for anyone in the same class as Mozgov, Bizmack, Koufos, etc...

I'll repeat this again as a barometer of the value the Cavs have on him. The Cavs turned down HIbbert for Waiters this offseason. I dont see them trading him for someone of lesser value a few short months later, especially with Waiters playing so well recently.

Smirkin Dirk · Post #16 » by **Smirkin Dirk** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 11:33 am

B Mac wrote: The Cavs turned down HIbbert for Waiters this offseason.

Whoa. This happened?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #17 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 6:40 pm

B Mac wrote:I have no idea.

I HIGHLY doubt we trade Waiters for anyone in the same class as Mozgov, Bizmack, Koufos, etc...

I'll repeat this again as a barometer of the value the Cavs have on him. The Cavs turned down HIbbert for Waiters this offseason. I dont see them trading him for someone of lesser value a few short months later, especially with Waiters playing so well recently.

That's hard to believe- a perfect trade for Cleveland, which has a surplus of me-first scorers and no defensive presence. Hibbert had some question marks this summer, but.. That's a broken barometer..

eckoner · Post #18 » by **eckoner** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:26 am

looks like its a done deal
Hopefully you all sent him to LA for Hill

azzah · Post #19 » by **azzah** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:26 am

Dion was listed as a starter tonight and now i'snt even on the bench, guessing a trade has gone down

azzah · Post #20 » by **azzah** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:27 am

also Lou Amundson and Alex Kirk have just left the bench to go to the locker room