Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[Valid]

Ainge has gotta be thinking that maybe a Green/Wright package could potentially shake loose a first from a team looking to take a step forward in the frontcourt. We shall see I guess.

The question is, does Ainge wait that long to make a deal (Wright cannot be traded with other players until Feb. 17)?

Based on how Green has been sulking, I would think Ainge is going to ship him out of town well before the deadline.

[humblebum]

Ainge has gotta be thinking that maybe a Green/Wright package could potentially shake loose a first from a team looking to take a step forward in the frontcourt. We shall see I guess.

The question is, does Ainge wait that long to make a deal (Wright cannot be traded with other players until Feb. 17)?

Based on how Green has been sulking, I would think Ainge is going to ship him out of town well before the deadline.

The fan in me agrees with this sentiment, simply hate watching Green play right now. But Ainge is cold blooded. He's going to try to mine as much value as possible from all of his assets. Just seems to be the way he does business.

[gocelts]

If you think of it this way, we originally traded Perk for Green, and Baby for Bass. We can say we "won" those trades (talent wise). We got decent years out of both players but unfortunately the day has come where they don' fit the direction of where a heading. We've squeezed all the juice out of this fruit....

Jeff Green is one to ponder ...a 20ppg scorer this year, healthy, and sort of built to play against LeBron. Some Eastern conference team SHOULD be taking a look at him. I wonder if his pouting is based more around that his value around the league is so low vs. our current crappy roster and Ainge not wanting to stick with him..or just both. I guess the other theory holds water that they already suspect where he is heading and isnt pleased.

[greenroom31]

We can trade any of the Dallas guys by themselves; just can't trade them in a package.

That restriction expires Feb. 17, though, which is two days before the deadline.

Thanks Valid and Bohemian for the clarification.

Seems to me that we need to thin the herd and do a multiple player for 1 player type deal (hello Amare Stoudemire!) so maybe the goal is to wait until February 17 and pull the trigger on a bigger deal that moves a bunch of guys at once, including the recent additions.

Would be interesting to see the Celtic move a bunch of the Bass, Green, Nelson, Thornton, Wright group in a 3 team deal (or multiple deals) where we take back Stoudemire and/or Bargnani plus some picks... or something similar. For example, if Golden State sent David Lee to the Knicks, the Knicks sent us Bargnani, and GS sent us a pick and got Wright and Green.

[Valid]

Ainge has gotta be thinking that maybe a Green/Wright package could potentially shake loose a first from a team looking to take a step forward in the frontcourt. We shall see I guess.

The question is, does Ainge wait that long to make a deal (Wright cannot be traded with other players until Feb. 17)?

Based on how Green has been sulking, I would think Ainge is going to ship him out of town well before the deadline.

The fan in me agrees with this sentiment, simply hate watching Green play right now. But Ainge is cold blooded. He's going to try to mine as much value as possible from all of his assets. Just seems to be the way he does business.

I agree, but if he waits too long and Green continues to sulk, Green may actually lose some value. Ainge is in a tough spot here.

[ConnorHenry]

i hate ainge. don't trade talent, goddamn. pay bradley 32 million, and then trade green. this fool needs to be FIRED.

What? Don't you read this board? DA is a G.O.D.!!!!!!!! The best GM in NBA history, if not in sports history.

I believe in assets, not talent. I think the best move would be to trade every player on the team for picks and then automatically forfeit all remaining games and thus put us in position for a top lottery pick, which we could then flip for even more assets.

It's all about the assets, baby. I think we need a banner to hang from the rafters to represent each draft pick we've accumulated.

Long may Ainge reign.

At least we'd be 100% in a direction. Keeping Rondo was pointless & same for Green & Bass & co. I honestly would love for DA to do what you said (minus the sarcasm draft pick banners lol) & at least 100% commit to this tank & rebuild.

This wanting to top out at 10th & get the 8th pick **** has to stop. It's miserable.

I wouldn't mind loosing every game this year. But I wanna watch Smart Young Sully KO lol. Not Bass, Bradley, Green & Turner jeez.

Well, my sarcasm aside, I agree with you about direction and a couple of earlier posts about Ainge worrying too much about future flexibility and ROA on the Big 3 during their legit championship window.

DA was a good, not great, drafter prior to the Big 3. A lot of the names tossed around here turned out to be ok players but not tremendous ones. DA scored a major coup in getting KG and RA -- gotta give him big time props for that and for the rest of the roster he assembled around the Big 3 in '08. I believe he hit a grand slam because he went all in to win.

I think he couldn't make up his mind between going all out to win NOW at the expense of the future or to keep the team viable long term. So he didn't make some key moves he could've to bolster the roster, as pointed out in this thread earlier, that he probably should've. And for whatever reason, from 2008 - 2012 his drafting was relatively poor.

The reason I'm so against the tank/asset accumulation path is to me championships aren't won by just assembling strong pieces but chemistry, desire, and attitude. The Big 3, as talented as they were, won in 2008 IMO more due to their win at all costs mentality and ubuntu than anything else. PP, KG, and RA all wanted to win BADLY because they knew their careers were winding down. Desire, chemistry, and winner's heart is why the '87 and '10 C's were able to make title runs even though shorthanded and beat up. The LeBron Heat won more due to desire and drive I think than even talent, though obviously need enough talent for anything to come to fruition. And I think they lost their final go-round with the Spurs because their drive didn't match that of San Antonio.

So yeah, sure, DA can draft all sorts of pieces and maybe take some picks and players and package for some new possible impact player, but we've seen the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Lakers, etc. all assemble teams that look good on paper but underwhelm.

2008 resurrected a winning culture for Beantown basketball. I'd have rather seen DA sacrifice (maybe) the future to go all out to win while the perfect storm was present to try to do some with a good chance for it to pay off. But instead he always dangled RA and Rondo, which disturbed the team's chemistry and focus, and probably made a team that was temporarily finally appealing to big time free agents due to the Big 3, Doc, and winning no longer so. IMO, he tossed it all aside to make sure he got ROA, even in the midst of a possible title run in 2010. And I don't think the future would've been as sacrificed as he feared if he could've built a big-time winner -- winning begets winning.

Now no free agents will want to come here due to the losing and constant shuffling roster. All the momentum gained from the Big 3 is gone. Now we have to hope DA can play fantasy sports well enough to put together not only the right pieces talent-wise but also in terms of experience, desire, heart, and attitude. Good luck. I think it's much easier to maintain a winning atmosphere ala the Patriots, St. Louis Cards, and Spurs than it is to totally tear down and then try to rebuild like the Marlins. Just like business -- it's easier to keep great workers than to bring them in, lose them, and try to replace them.

[klemen4]

With Lopez being out till February and now Freeland injured for at least 14 days...Bass to POR is a trade that is more than logical

Bass for Robinson, Claver

We do not gain a lot, but at least we send Bass to a contender and have half season to see what kind of player Robinson is. We cut Claver, so he can return to Spain.

[Andrew McCeltic]

With Lopez being out till February and now Freeland injured for at least 14 days...Bass to POR is a trade that is more than logical

Bass for Robinson, Claver

We do not gain a lot, but at least we send Bass to a contender and have half season to see what kind of player Robinson is. We cut Claver, so he can return to Spain.

Yup, I think we could get Leonard or a 1st, too..

[Valid]

With Lopez being out till February and now Freeland injured for at least 14 days...Bass to POR is a trade that is more than logical

Bass for Robinson, Claver

We do not gain a lot, but at least we send Bass to a contender and have half season to see what kind of player Robinson is. We cut Claver, so he can return to Spain.

Yup, I think we could get Leonard or a 1st, too..

It would be pretty damn awesome if we could snare Leonard for Bass. I'm very surprised the kid hasn't gotten much of a chance in Portland.

[bbd24]

Couple different options:

Jeff Green, Phil Pressey, Clippers 2015 First Round Pick for Isaiah Thomas, TJ Warren.

Brandan Wright for Dion Waiters.

or

Brandan Wright, Gerald Wallace, for Brook Lopez.

Brandon Bass and his expiring contract is kept.

[24istheLAW]

Couple different options:

Jeff Green, Phil Pressey, Clippers 2015 First Round Pick for Isaiah Thomas, TJ Warren.

Brandan Wright for Dion Waiters.

or

Brandan Wright, Gerald Wallace, for Brook Lopez.

Brandon Bass and his expiring contract is kept.

Lopez is a non-starter IMO. The absolute worst thing we can do is help the Nets get out of his contract.

I like the trade that was proposed in Trade Ideas of Wright to CLE for what is expected to be the 2017 MEM 1st and Joe Harris.

[bbd24]

Couple different options:

Jeff Green, Phil Pressey, Clippers 2015 First Round Pick for Isaiah Thomas, TJ Warren.

Brandan Wright for Dion Waiters.

or

Brandan Wright, Gerald Wallace, for Brook Lopez.

Brandon Bass and his expiring contract is kept.

Lopez is a non-starter IMO. The absolute worst thing we can do is help the Nets get out of his contract.

I like the trade that was proposed in Trade Ideas of Wright to CLE for what is expected to be the 2017 MEM 1st and Joe Harris.

Lopez expires the same year Wallace's contract does. Its not the worst thing.

[Andrew McCeltic]

With Lopez being out till February and now Freeland injured for at least 14 days...Bass to POR is a trade that is more than logical

Bass for Robinson, Claver

We do not gain a lot, but at least we send Bass to a contender and have half season to see what kind of player Robinson is. We cut Claver, so he can return to Spain.

Yup, I think we could get Leonard or a 1st, too..

It would be pretty damn awesome if we could snare Leonard for Bass. I'm very surprised the kid hasn't gotten much of a chance in Portland.

A 1st is more likely if they want to get a look at Leonard. I don't know how well they're developing him, because they want him to be a stretch 4 now. Can't remember which of him/TRob they picked up their option on for next year..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Couple different options:

Jeff Green, Phil Pressey, Clippers 2015 First Round Pick for Isaiah Thomas, TJ Warren.

Brandan Wright for Dion Waiters.

or

Brandan Wright, Gerald Wallace, for Brook Lopez.

Brandon Bass and his expiring contract is kept.

Lopez is a non-starter IMO. The absolute worst thing we can do is help the Nets get out of his contract.

I like the trade that was proposed in Trade Ideas of Wright to CLE for what is expected to be the 2017 MEM 1st and Joe Harris.

Lopez expires the same year Wallace's contract does. Its not the worst thing.

Eats into our cap space, though, and I think we can grab a bargain 5 at worst- either we throw the max at a target like Deandre Jordan or pick a guy who's anxious about being passed over (Koufos?) and ink him week 1 at below market value..

[chakdaddy]

2008 resurrected a winning culture for Beantown basketball.
Now no free agents will want to come here due to the losing and constant shuffling roster. All the momentum gained from the Big 3 is gone.

Yup, and 2013 killed it. Middling draft picks isn't going to help anything. We're in the mid 90s all over again.

[bbd24]

Lopez is a non-starter IMO. The absolute worst thing we can do is help the Nets get out of his contract.

I like the trade that was proposed in Trade Ideas of Wright to CLE for what is expected to be the 2017 MEM 1st and Joe Harris.

Lopez expires the same year Wallace's contract does. Its not the worst thing.

Eats into our cap space, though, and I think we can grab a bargain 5 at worst- either we throw the max at a target like Deandre Jordan or pick a guy who's anxious about being passed over (Koufos?) and ink him week 1 at below market value..

It's eats into the 2015 cap by 5 million. It's a 5 million dollar difference from Wallace, and it expires the same time in 2016. So unless you need that 5 million for something special, you'll be ok. It opens up the pocket book for 2016, just like keeping Wallace's contract.

[SMTBSI]

Based on how Green has been sulking, I would think Ainge is going to ship him out of town well before the deadline.

The fan in me agrees with this sentiment, simply hate watching Green play right now. But Ainge is cold blooded. He's going to try to mine as much value as possible from all of his assets. Just seems to be the way he does business.

The problem is that the rest of the league knows we're itching to make a move, due to the clogged roster.

If I were them, I'd choose to be nice and patient, and hope our team dynamic takes a turn for the worst - Green gets even grumpier, vets start grumbling louder about the minute crunch. No need to rush - just hang in and hope to get a bargain from a desperate team.

That's my fear anyway - that this thing will stretch out all the way until right before the deadline without anything happening.


It's also the reason that Ainge can't look like he's desperate to get guys out of here. As much as it drives us nuts, he's got to act, as much as possible, like he's content to take his time and look for the right move. And every day that goes by with the roster clogged up the way it is, we're going to curse him. But, you just can't ever let them see you sweat...

[2Mas]

If you think of it this way, we originally traded Perk for Green, and Baby for Bass. We can say we "won" those trades (talent wise). We got decent years out of both players but unfortunately the day has come where they don' fit the direction of where a heading. We've squeezed all the juice out of this fruit....

Jeff Green is one to ponder ...a 20ppg scorer this year, healthy, and sort of built to play against LeBron. Some Eastern conference team SHOULD be taking a look at him. I wonder if his pouting is based more around that his value around the league is so low vs. our current crappy roster and Ainge not wanting to stick with him..or just both. I guess the other theory holds water that they already suspect where he is heading and isnt pleased.

Send him to Toronto for Landry, Steamer & their 1st round pick?

[Red2]

couple of things; first sometimes getting rid of guys is addition by subtraction. both green and bass are fine players and I'm a big Bass fan but we have too many guys right now and we need to let our younger guys to develop. we at least need to find out if guys like sullinger and olynk are part of our future. second, because of reason 1, we can't, dont' and should not do deals where we trade two guys and get back 4 or 5. we don't have roster space and we don't need them unless they can be immediately waived. third the only teams we should be talking to are playoff teams. I'm hoping there are some injuries to some of the contending teams and they need replacement guys from our roster. with that in mind I think Danny will wait and see what opportunities develop between now and february 19. If it turns out we do another rondo deal- ie give green and Bass away I'll be ok with that but it would be nice to get more value than we did in the rondo deal

[Edug27]

Ainge has gotta be thinking that maybe a Green/Wright package could potentially shake loose a first from a team looking to take a step forward in the frontcourt. We shall see I guess.

The question is, does Ainge wait that long to make a deal (Wright cannot be traded with other players until Feb. 17)?

Based on how Green has been sulking, I would think Ainge is going to ship him out of town well before the deadline.

The fan in me agrees with this sentiment, simply hate watching Green play right now. But Ainge is cold blooded. He's going to try to mine as much value as possible from all of his assets. Just seems to be the way he does business.

Never understood why people call Danny cold blooded ... Is he any more cold blooded than other GM's out there?