Nerlens Noel Thread

ryst · Post #301 » by **ryst** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 1:43 am

I don't see the point of playing Noel at the 5 position and move him back to 4 once Embiid return

Ericb5 · Post #302 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Jan 3, 2015 2:05 am

ryst wrote:I don't see the point of playing Noel at the 5 position and move him back to 4 once Embiid return

The theory is to shrink the playbook sort of how Andy Reid used to do when a back up QB was playing. Put him in position to succeed, and then build off the successes.

Ultimately, the position where he is going to get the most minutes in his career will be at the 4 if he is playing with Embiid.

There is also always the possibility that Embiid goes down the Duncan path and plays mostly the 4 himself. Not sure how it plays out, but I think that building Noel's confidence and rhythm by having him play the simpler position for now is a good thing.

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Wilfried · Post #303 » by **Wilfried** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 8:23 am

Wiggins is coming on the last weeks. He will win it for sure (without injury).

Very intriguing player

Post #304 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 2:02 pm

Wiggins will win it, will likely have the lowest PER for a ROY winner ever as well. At 11.2, needs to get to 13.2, I doubt that happens because I don't believe that this upswing lasts much longer.

42uptop · Post #305 » by **42uptop** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 5:33 pm

Embiid is merely biding his time... he will return and lay waste to the competition, claiming rookie of the year for all of Philadelphia.

Att · Post #306 » by **Att** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 7:33 pm

The thing that worries me about Noel is not his offensive game but it's the defensive side. He's just not that great (or at least not great as advertised), right now - and you have to be great in order to a very good player without an impressive offensive game.

Post #307 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Jan 4, 2015 7:49 pm

Att wrote:The thing that worries me about Noel is not his offensive game but it's the defensive side. He's just not that great (or at least not great as advertised), right now - and you have to be great in order to a very good player without an impressive offensive game.

He's been pretty awesome on D for a 20 year old for the balance of the year.

Ericb5 · Post #308 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 12:24 am

Sixerscan wrote:
Att wrote:The thing that worries me about Noel is not his offensive game but it's the defensive side. He's just not that great (or at least not great as advertised), right now - and you have to be great in order to a very good player without an impressive offensive game.

He's been pretty awesome on D for a 20 year old for the balance of the year.

That's the point. He is a raw 20 year old kid who missed 18 months of basketball.

I think he has been pretty darn good actually, and as long as he is a better player at the end of the year than he was at the beginning of the year I will be happy with his rookie year.

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James40 · Post #309 » by **James40** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:08 am

Wiggins is just scratching the surface in terms of his ability, if he keeps playing aggressive like he has been these last 10 games, he'll run away with ROY. He has all the talent, he just needs to learn how to use it.

MCtripDub · Post #310 » by **MCtripDub** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:35 am

here's to hoping we ship our 2015 pick out to minny for wiggy! they could use a big man anyways... Shabazz's resurgence might decrease minny's value for wiggy. (or am I hoping too much?)

ryst · Post #311 » by **ryst** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:43 am

he still cant catch the ball
they should think about hiring a coach that can teach him how to catch the ball

philly5 · Post #312 » by **philly5** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:43 am

My problem with Noel is that either he has poor stamina, poor awareness, or is lackadaisical far too often for a future DPOY candidate.

Post #313 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:47 am

Sixerscan wrote:
Att wrote:The thing that worries me about Noel is not his offensive game but it's the defensive side. He's just not that great (or at least not great as advertised), right now - and you have to be great in order to a very good player without an impressive offensive game.

He's been pretty awesome on D for a 20 year old for the balance of the year.

He's been pretty awesome on D by NBA standards. He's among the better defenders in the league at defending the paint, I can't look it up now since I'm on my mobile, but he holds opponents to quite a low percentage at the rim, then there's the raw blocks and turnovers he forces.

James40 · Post #314 » by **James40** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:07 am

I think if he was effective as Mason Plumlee, or Kelly Olynyk as rookies, guys taken after him, this would be a different story. Alex Len ( taken before) and Gorgui Dieng can block shots at the rim. Granted those guys are centers, I'm not even sure what Noel is anymore. What really kills him is the talent around him, which is nil.

I didn't realize how good Plumlee was as a rookie.

Ericb5 · Post #315 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:18 am

philly5 wrote:My problem with Noel is that either he has poor stamina, poor awareness, or is lackadaisical far too often for a future DPOY candidate.

I think that he has poor awareness, and that is his biggest problem(well other than him not being strong enough). However, he has off the charts athleticism, and is competitive.

He has great instincts, but he has very poor cognition right now. He is thinking a lot, but doesn't know what to do yet. I'm not saying that he is dumb. I am saying that he is raw, and playing against the best competition that he has ever faced, on a very untalented team.

This is why I am in favor of moving him back to the 5. Let him get his feet under himself in the NBA before trying to change his natural position. Not only is he a raw athlete, but he is coming off an 18 month layoff, moving up a level to the best league in the world, AND playing a new position.

Let's ease up on the kid. I am happy with his rookie year so far.

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ColdBlooded · Post #316 » by **ColdBlooded** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:17 am

James40 wrote:I think if he was effective as Mason Plumlee, or Kelly Olynyk as rookies, guys taken after him, this would be a different story. Alex Len ( taken before) and Gorgui Dieng can block shots at the rim. Granted those guys are centers, I'm not even sure what Noel is anymore. What really kills him is the talent around him, which is nil.

I didn't realize how good Plumlee was as a rookie.

Plumlee entered the league at the age of 23. Kelly was 22. Gorgui was 23.

Nerlens holds opponents to a lower % at the rim then all four of them at 47%.

tsmith · Post #317 » by **tsmith** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 7:40 am

just a question, were does everyone reckon nerlens would have gone if he had not have declared for the 2013 Draft and went in the 2014 instead??

AAKing23 · Post #318 » by **AAKing23** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 7:55 am

t_smith979 wrote:just a question, were does everyone reckon nerlens would have gone if he had not have declared for the 2013 Draft and went in the 2014 instead??

Somewhere from 6-10

tsmith · Post #319 » by **tsmith** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 8:43 am

AAKing23 wrote:
t_smith979 wrote:just a question, were does everyone reckon nerlens would have gone if he had not have declared for the 2013 Draft and went in the 2014 instead??

Somewhere from 6-10

So Noel is around the same level as Randle, Stauskas and Smart?

That just doesnt seem right

AAKing23 · Post #320 » by **AAKing23** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 9:00 am

t_smith979 wrote:
AAKing23 wrote:
t_smith979 wrote:just a question, were does everyone reckon nerlens would have gone if he had not have declared for the 2013 Draft and went in the 2014 instead??

Somewhere from 6-10

So Noel is around the same level as Randle, Stauskas and Smart?

That just doesnt seem right

Uh yeah, Noel is a potentially elite defensive player and defensive anchor who can impact the game in many ways. Randle's ceiling is higher due to his offense amd probably Smart too, but after that Nerlens is right there. Stauskas isn't setting the league on fire right now.