Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[RunDogGun]

Stop saying it's the "only" way, while saying what Cutters wrote isn't that simple. Cutter was spot on.

Shabazz was supposed to go number one in his draft, so his skills were there, just his effort was not, so he slipped. He didn't play much last year because he wasn't ready. This year he seems ready.

So hopefully our youngins can out perform our main rotational guys, but until then we can stop speculating as to how good they are.

[RunDogGun]

I would trade trade the Morris brothers and Isaiah Thomas for Chris Bosh. It works financially. I think the trade benefits both teams as well. The Suns get the star player they want and the Heat get players that add a lot of scoring to their team who are all 25 years old. Both teams benefit.

Suns new starting lineup and depth chart:

Bledsoe/Ennis/Goodwin
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Green
Bosh/Randolph
Len/Plumlee

The Suns frontcourt legitimacy changes dramatically with that trade. A proven champion in Bosh who can play inside and stretch the floor. You can throw the ball to him and he can score in crunch time. No more Bledsoe or Dragic running the shot clock down to zero and throwing up a terrible shot at the end of games like has happened so many times this season. This trade could elevate the Suns to contending status. Len and Bosh together could compete with any frontcourt in the league.

I know Bosh is already thirty and is signed for five years but I think he will be productive for at least the length of his contract. He is frankly just on a different level than the Morris brothers. The Suns are so young and need a veteran presence on the team. I would love to see Len and Bosh together. I think they could dominate.

Does it work out financially? I'm not ready to give up on the twins yet, but I wouldn't be mad if we traded for Bosh, other than we would be tied up cap wise with that contract.

But if we did do that, I would probably pencil in Tucker at the four for many minutes, because I could see Hornacek going small with Bosh at the center spot often.

[letsgosuns]

I would trade trade the Morris brothers and Isaiah Thomas for Chris Bosh. It works financially. I think the trade benefits both teams as well. The Suns get the star player they want and the Heat get players that add a lot of scoring to their team who are all 25 years old. Both teams benefit.

Suns new starting lineup and depth chart:

Bledsoe/Ennis/Goodwin
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Green
Bosh/Randolph
Len/Plumlee

The Suns frontcourt legitimacy changes dramatically with that trade. A proven champion in Bosh who can play inside and stretch the floor. You can throw the ball to him and he can score in crunch time. No more Bledsoe or Dragic running the shot clock down to zero and throwing up a terrible shot at the end of games like has happened so many times this season. This trade could elevate the Suns to contending status. Len and Bosh together could compete with any frontcourt in the league.

I know Bosh is already thirty and is signed for five years but I think he will be productive for at least the length of his contract. He is frankly just on a different level than the Morris brothers. The Suns are so young and need a veteran presence on the team. I would love to see Len and Bosh together. I think they could dominate.

yeah, i think a few people already proposed that and its a good solution.
But McD may be holding out for someone better? we dunno.
Also Heat would probably hesitate since they still have Wade and Deng etc... also apparently Bosh owns a lot of investment properties in Miami so he may want to stay there.

Oh yeah, I thought people might have mentioned a trade like this in the past. I was just thinking about it and thought it seemed like it could work. Btw, I did not have a chance to respond on the other trade thread before it was locked to your comment about Cousins. I was not trying to get you to agree with me, I was just saying why Cousins is not the guy I would choose to trade for. I respect yours and every else's opinion on here and I never feel like what I say is the only correct way to go.

[letsgosuns]

I would trade trade the Morris brothers and Isaiah Thomas for Chris Bosh. It works financially. I think the trade benefits both teams as well. The Suns get the star player they want and the Heat get players that add a lot of scoring to their team who are all 25 years old. Both teams benefit.

Suns new starting lineup and depth chart:

Bledsoe/Ennis/Goodwin
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Green
Bosh/Randolph
Len/Plumlee

The Suns frontcourt legitimacy changes dramatically with that trade. A proven champion in Bosh who can play inside and stretch the floor. You can throw the ball to him and he can score in crunch time. No more Bledsoe or Dragic running the shot clock down to zero and throwing up a terrible shot at the end of games like has happened so many times this season. This trade could elevate the Suns to contending status. Len and Bosh together could compete with any frontcourt in the league.

I know Bosh is already thirty and is signed for five years but I think he will be productive for at least the length of his contract. He is frankly just on a different level than the Morris brothers. The Suns are so young and need a veteran presence on the team. I would love to see Len and Bosh together. I think they could dominate.

Does it work out financially? I'm not ready to give up on the twins yet, but I wouldn't be mad if we traded for Bosh, other than we would be tied up cap wise with that contract.

But if we did do that, I would probably pencil in Tucker at the four for many minutes, because I could see Hornacek going small with Bosh at the center spot often.

Yes it does work out financially. http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6549593 I agree that Hornacek would probably use a lineup of Tucker at the four with Bosh at the five when he wants to go small.

[Sunsdeuce]

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[Jdiddy701]

That Bosh trade keeps us in our same position. Team fighting for the 8th seed. 7th seed at best. Not worth it.


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[kennydorglas]

Another ugly loss for SacTown.
Our time is coming, guys.

[Revived]

I'm gonna take a stab and say he values his younger players much much more. McD got to pick the youngens himself and clearly sees a lot of potential in them (and values them more than the rest of the league). Aside from that, the line from McD has always been "this team is rebuilding" which roughly translates to "I will trade my older guys if I'm getting enough value back".

If you pick a guy and see potential in him, you're not going to trade him because his minutes aren't there. You're going to make minutes for him (usually by trading an older player). But that's not going to happen overnight. McD would rather milk a vet for all the value he's got (see: Dudley4Bled).

A youngen who misses out on consistent minutes for a couple of seasons isn't going to be that worse off, especially when getting D-League minutes. It's also worth noting that McD drafts younger prospects (Ennis 20, Archie 20, TJ 21, Len 21) so you could easily think of it as just a college extension.

Bottom line, as much as we'd like this team to be a playoff team, it's not a significant goal. We're geared up with future draft picks, one of the youngest teams in the league and still competing with the best. What more could you want from a rebuild?

Suns are a treadmill team. Hope yall are ready to enjoy the 9th and 10th seed for the next 3-5 years

Move over Nuggets, we're running the treadmill ship now

I think that is what management's goal is at the present (not 5 years though). That's not a bad thing , and I mean that. I think what they are trying to do is stay competitive (as opposed to the 76ers) so that they can attract FAs and keep the seats filled, while accumulating assets. There is not one way to rebuild in the NBA. I think the Suns will keep gathering assets and internally building players then jump on a FA or trade when the time is right which will help get them to the top 4 in the West. There is a difference between being a young team with talent and being the 8-10th seeds as opposed to the Suns a few years ago being over the hill with no future and the 8-10 seed.

Free agents haven't really signed with treadmill team like the Nuggets.

[Safety Pickle]

@GoranDragicNews: NBA Rumors: Lakers Will 'Try' To Trade for Goran Dragic, Reggie Jackson By ... http://t.co/PUf6Mqe19T

This just looks like some random sports writer saying they should try to trade for Dragic or Jackson. He suggested Jordan Hill for Dragic... How is this even a rumor?

[Qwigglez]

I would definitely welcome a trade for Bosh for the package mentioned. We would clear ourselves of the log jam at PG and SF. Our bench would be thin, so we'd have to add other pieces included with Bosh though. But this would also create playing time for Warren at the three, and having a rotation of Bosh/Len/Plumlee at the 4/5 wouldn't be bad. Len needs to control those fouls though.
Now if we were able to keep Dragic/Green over the offseason as well as picking up a decent free agent or two, I think we have a strong group of guys going forward.

[toucansma]

Suns are a treadmill team. Hope yall are ready to enjoy the 9th and 10th seed for the next 3-5 years

Move over Nuggets, we're running the treadmill ship now

I think that is what management's goal is at the present (not 5 years though). That's not a bad thing , and I mean that. I think what they are trying to do is stay competitive (as opposed to the 76ers) so that they can attract FAs and keep the seats filled, while accumulating assets. There is not one way to rebuild in the NBA. I think the Suns will keep gathering assets and internally building players then jump on a FA or trade when the time is right which will help get them to the top 4 in the West. There is a difference between being a young team with talent and being the 8-10th seeds as opposed to the Suns a few years ago being over the hill with no future and the 8-10 seed.

Free agents haven't really signed with treadmill team like the Nuggets.

Agreed, but this team isn't the Nuggets (well not yet, hopefully ). Consider this year 2 of the rebuild/restart. The Nuggets started a rebuild/restart but then flipped through coaches and GM/executives. I think that has stalled them. If they stuck with Karl and Ujiri they would have been in much better shape and off the treadmill I believe. Give this team and FO some time first.

[MrMiyagi]

@GoranDragicNews: NBA Rumors: Lakers Will 'Try' To Trade for Goran Dragic, Reggie Jackson By ... http://t.co/PUf6Mqe19T

This just looks like some random sports writer saying they should try to trade for Dragic or Jackson. He suggested Jordan Hill for Dragic... How is this even a rumor?

"Kevin Love and LeBron James are each looking to leave Cleveland for Phoenix. However, neither wishes to remain on the same team." Says source that is close to Phoenix and has heard of Cleveland.

You're welcome "Internet Journalists"

[gaspar]

Bosh is not a franchise player. Just watch the Heat this year or his Raptors teams. You aren't gonna win **** with Bosh as your best player. And he's 31, with a crazy contract. Do you guys really want to pay Bosh $27M in 2019.

[thamadkant]

Thats one issue with Bosh... massive salary... $27 million is an incredible number for a non MVP candidate.
But to say he isnt a franchise player is stretching it... the guy is putting up 20 points 8 rebounds 2 assists on 48% FG and above average defense. But that salary... wow.

[carey]

Bosh is not a franchise player. Just watch the Heat this year or his Raptors teams. You aren't gonna win **** with Bosh as your best player. And he's 31, with a crazy contract. Do you guys really want to pay Bosh $27M in 2019.

I do not. There's no arguing he would be a great fit right now though. But that's the thing you can't just trade for right now when you're planning for the future. So as much as I hate to say it I would pass on any Bosh deal.

[Kerrsed]

Bosh is not a franchise player. Just watch the Heat this year or his Raptors teams. You aren't gonna win **** with Bosh as your best player. And he's 31, with a crazy contract. Do you guys really want to pay Bosh $27M in 2019.

I do not. There's no arguing he would be a great fit right now though. But that's the thing you can't just trade for right now when you're planning for the future. So as much as I hate to say it I would pass on any Bosh deal.

I also agree with you.

At this point, i'd pass on Bosh too. He is getting paid a massive amount and is in his twilight years of playing. That $22M that he is making next season ($27M in 18/19) could be better spent to round out our roster with higher caliber players at MULTIPLE positions instead of just one. I'd rather spend that money on a couple of younger studs that will be earning much less, and using the rest to help us retain our own youngsters and rookies.

Teams with super high paid superstars are dying by the wayside right now. Look at the issues with the Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Miami, They are saddled with these older superstars on huge contracts and have bad teams due to not having the cash to surround those players with real quality talent. Those teams are currently scarping the bottom of the league right now. Most of the younger and smarter stars are seeing this and actually taking a bit less money so they can field a better team (OKC).

For the 2018 season, Bosh is getting a little over $27M. For right around that same price ($30M) you could have Bledsoe AND Cousins in their prime. Which would you rather have?

[NavLDO]

Bosh is not a franchise player. Just watch the Heat this year or his Raptors teams. You aren't gonna win **** with Bosh as your best player. And he's 31, with a crazy contract. Do you guys really want to pay Bosh $27M in 2019.

I do not. There's no arguing he would be a great fit right now though. But that's the thing you can't just trade for right now when you're planning for the future. So as much as I hate to say it I would pass on any Bosh deal.

I also agree with you.

At this point, i'd pass on Bosh too. He is getting paid a massive amount and is in his twilight years of playing. That $22M that he is making next season ($27M in 18/19) could be better spent to round out our roster with higher caliber players at MULTIPLE positions instead of just one. I'd rather spend that money on a couple of younger studs that will be earning much less, and using the rest to help us retain our own youngsters and rookies.

Teams with super high paid superstars are dying by the wayside right now. Look at the issues with the Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Miami, They are saddled with these older superstars on huge contracts and have bad teams due to not having the cash to surround those players with real quality talent. Those teams are currently scarping the bottom of the league right now. Most of the younger and smarter stars are seeing this and actually taking a bit less money so they can field a better team (OKC).

For the 2018 season, Bosh is getting a little over $27M. For right around that same price ($30M) you could have Bledsoe AND Cousins in their prime. Which would you rather have?

Make that 3 against a Bosh trade. At his age and cost, we can get better return on the investment.

$27 million is an incredible number...20 points 8 rebounds 2 assists on 48% FG and above average defense.

For less than 1/2 that number, we are getting 25 pts/10 rebounds/3.5 Asst on 47% FG and 38% 3Pt with average defense--combined numbers for Kieff and Mook. Not to mention they are 5 years younger.

Yes, I get that they are two players, but even Kieff alone is a 15/6/2 guy for less than a 1/3 of the cost.

Plus, the Morri are fairly consistent players (well, last night was more of an aberration), but typically, you can count on those two for the numbers above. So, if we are going to upgrade those two, I'd rather upgrade them for a player on a $15M per that is in the 23-27 age range.

[bigfoot]

Three OT losses, 8 losses by 4 points or less, wins against Golden State, Toronto, Washington, Brooklyn, DallasX2, San Antonio, and 8-2 overall in their last 10 games. This team needs to keep playing together and gel. I'm happy to stand pat and see what might shake loose in free agency this summer.

[MettaWorldPanda]

From a Heat fan point of view and I can tell you guys straight up that Bosh is not going anywhere anytime soon. Our organization prides itself on loyalty with certain types of players. Bosh is married to the city of Miami. Even though some folks will say he showed loyalty to the check when the max deal was offered to him after Lebron left. He could have easily taken the Rockets offer and a clearer path to another NBA championship. Bosh and his wife are embedded into the Miami culture. I came in to see if there was more discussion on Deng. I was also contemplating some scenarios involving Birdman and Deng going back to Phoenix for Isaiah Thomas and fillers. Birdman is allowed to be traded on January 15th. Figured it would be a coup for a young team like the Suns to add a Birdman and Deng.

[King4Day]

In the event the Kings were to trade Cousins and actually would consider dealing him within the division, what do you think it would take to nab him?
I'd imagine something like the twins, Dragic, warren, and change. Or, Len instead of Kieff.
I'd like to pair Len with Cousins though.