Lions D-Line

Schmoopy1000 · Post #1 » by **Schmoopy1000** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 12:56 am

I am super impressed with that D-Line. Most D-line including ours when one defender gets hold of the ball carrier the ball carrier still gets some forward progress after contact. those guys are strong. It was like once they grabbed you, you didn't go forward at all, often thrown back. that is one group of strong Mofo's on that team. Mad respect to them.

Jarntt · Post #2 » by **Jarntt** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 12:58 am

We stuck with the run and eventually started gaining yards. Credit to the coaches for sticking with it and the players for executing. You could see how everything got easier once we started to run it better

ncmalko1 · Post #3 » by **ncmalko1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 12:59 am

Yeah, and Fairley didnt play too. Looks like Suh is leaving though.

What an incredible game. YOu must be pumped. Good luck next week vs GB.

pools · Post #4 » by **pools** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:01 am

Yeah i don't see Suh staying in det he will follow the money not the wins

Manster7588 · Post #5 » by **Manster7588** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:21 am

That whole line gets after the ball carrier. Glad we squeezed by them.

I will say this. I thought the picked up flag should have stood. That was PI.

Schmoopy1000 · Post #6 » by **Schmoopy1000** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:24 am

Manster7588 wrote:That whole line gets after the ball carrier. Glad we squeezed by them.

I will say this. I thought the picked up flag should have stood. That was PI.

I chalk it up to they were making up for how they were calling the game to that point LOL.

I will take it however I can get it

Manster7588 · Post #7 » by **Manster7588** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:27 am

Schmoopy1000 wrote:
Manster7588 wrote:That whole line gets after the ball carrier. Glad we squeezed by them.

I will say this. I thought the picked up flag should have stood. That was PI.

I chalk it up to they were making up for how they were calling the game to that point LOL.

I will take it however I can get it

I'll take too and not apologize one bit.

Earl Stevens · Post #8 » by **Earl Stevens** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:38 am

The PI call was bad, but Detroit had plenty of chances to blow the game away. It's their fault for leaving it up to refs. When you have a double digit lead for the majority of the game, you don't leave it up to refs, you finish the game. The Cowboys overcame bad officiating and a 14 point deficit to win. Detroit couldn't overcome bad officiating despite leading for 57 mins. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Schmoopy1000 · Post #9 » by **Schmoopy1000** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:44 am

Earl Stevens wrote:The PI call was bad, but Detroit had plenty of chances to blow the game away. It's their fault for leaving it up to refs. When you have a double digit lead for the majority of the game, you don't leave it up to refs, you finish the game. The Cowboys overcame bad officiating and a 14 point deficit to win. Detroit couldn't overcome bad officiating despite leading for 57 mins. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

its not like the Lions weren't getting calls/non calls by the refs as well.
The Lions only scored 3 pts in the 2nd half. Give them the PI & they score 6 pts (maybe) in the 2nd half. Just means the Cowboys win 24-23 instead. Cowboys coaches had the balls to go for it on 4th & 6 while the Lions punted on 4th & 1. By the 2nd half the Cowboys just wanted it more!

Cowboys out played the Lions 17-3 in the 2nd half. That is the real story of the 2nd half. One play doesn't change that.

Manster7588 · Post #10 » by **Manster7588** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:54 am

Schmoopy1000 wrote:
Earl Stevens wrote:The PI call was bad, but Detroit had plenty of chances to blow the game away. It's their fault for leaving it up to refs. When you have a double digit lead for the majority of the game, you don't leave it up to refs, you finish the game. The Cowboys overcame bad officiating and a 14 point deficit to win. Detroit couldn't overcome bad officiating despite leading for 57 mins. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

its not like the Lions weren't getting calls/non calls by the refs as well.
The Lions only scored 3 pts in the 2nd half. Give them the PI & they score 6 pts (maybe) in the 2nd half. Just means the Cowboys win 24-23 instead. Cowboys coaches had the balls to go for it on 4th & 6 while the Lions punted on 4th & 1. By the 2nd half the Cowboys just wanted it more!

Cowboys out played the Lions 17-3 in the 2nd half. That is the real story of the 2nd half. One play doesn't change that.

True. I think is was Detroit 2nd play from scrimmage a Dallas DLman broke through and had a clear shot at Stafford. Refs missed that call too.

Yes I wear blue glasses but even with the picked up flag the Lions still benifitted by the refs.

ncmalko1 · Post #11 » by **ncmalko1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:13 am

The big non call besides the pass interference is not calling a 15 yard penalty on Dez for being on the field without his helmet. I think Detroit blew it not going for it on 4th and 1.

RJ MacReady1 · Post #12 » by **RJ MacReady1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:44 am

10 yard punts will cause you problems too.

Jarntt · Post #13 » by **Jarntt** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:56 am

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ncmalko1 wrote:The big non call besides the pass interference is not calling a 15 yard penalty on Dez for being on the field without his helmet. I think Detroit blew it not going for it on 4th and 1.

We may have to implement the "Dez rules" during the game now too...

Eiknarflin · Post #14 » by **Eiknarflin** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:56 am

Listen, the PI call should have never been called. The receiver pushed off twice and then grabbed the face mask of the DB. Look at the replay again. The refs did the right thing. They didn't throw a flag on offensive PI, which they should have. At the most, it should have been offsetting penalties, but the fact that the receiver pulled on the facemask might have had a lot to do with the contact the db made on the receiver, which was much less severe than the contact the receiver made on the db.

Watch the whole play again, from beginning to end.

Eiknarflin · Post #15 » by **Eiknarflin** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:57 am

Dez, however, should have been flagged, even if the refs screwed up the PI.

Earl Stevens · Post #16 » by **Earl Stevens** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:00 am

Eiknarflin wrote:Dez, however, should have been flagged, even if the refs screwed up the PI.

I've heard that it's only a flag if the refs deem what Dez did unsportsmanlike conduct. A player can run on the field without a helmet on if his unit isn't on the field, apparently. So that's why there was no flag.

ncmalko1 · Post #17 » by **ncmalko1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:48 am

Well I think it was pass interference. Players are allowed to push back and forth to a degree but the TE got ran over while the LBer didnt turn his head to make a play and thats usually the determining factor. I was listening to ESPN radio and they had a retired ref on saying not only did they blow the PI call but when the D is on the field an offensive player isnt allowed to run 20 yards onto the field and scream at the ref. Players on the field can, but players from different units cant. He also said that you cant run onto the field, especially that far without your helmet on. The general NFL fan is LIVID. GO look on profootballtalk. THey have several posts on it. GO check it out. Personally, I think it was Detroits fault. Dallas hit every 4th down conversion and I think Detroit played soft not going for it on 4th and 1. Good luck against the Packers. I know you guys are pumped.

Earl Stevens · Post #18 » by **Earl Stevens** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 8:25 am

"He pushed the arm off that was grasping his face mask. The Lion made the initial (an illegal face mask grab). The reaction is legal. He doesn't have to look for the ball as he did not play the receiver. Face guarding is legal in the NFL. The Lion fell down by himself. The pass was not catchable as the receiver would have had to go through the defender to catch it. Really, there is no component of interference there. If anything it was offensive PI.

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

Looks to me like C,D, and E all apply here to some degree. Most importantly the defender was in the better position for a poorly thrown ball. The fact that the ball hit the defender in the back away from the receiver with the receiver not stopping or trying to make his way back to the ball tells me the whole story there. If the Lion had enough position to start moving towards the ball and got run over I'd see it differently but that is not what happened."

I quoted that from someone on another board. I'm not posting a link to it for obvious reasons. The person I'm quoting is a Rams' fan, by the way.

Post #19 » by **studcrackers** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 8:35 am

Manster7588 wrote:That whole line gets after the ball carrier. Glad we squeezed by them.

I will say this. I thought the picked up flag should have stood. That was PI.

officiating was horrible all game, both sides got the wrong side of the stick. one could argue this was illegal hands to the face according to this gif

Earl Stevens · Post #20 » by **Earl Stevens** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 8:35 am

ncmalko1 wrote:Well I think it was pass interference. Players are allowed to push back and forth to a degree but the TE got ran over while the LBer didnt turn his head to make a play and thats usually the determining factor. I was listening to ESPN radio and they had a retired ref on saying not only did they blow the PI call but when the D is on the field an offensive player isnt allowed to run 20 yards onto the field and scream at the ref. Players on the field can, but players from different units cant. He also said that you cant run onto the field, especially that far without your helmet on. The general NFL fan is LIVID. GO look on profootballtalk. THey have several posts on it. GO check it out. Personally, I think it was Detroits fault. Dallas hit every 4th down conversion and I think Detroit played soft not going for it on 4th and 1. Good luck against the Packers. I know you guys are pumped.

In the image I just posted it is clear as day that he was not run over. It is not pass interference whatsoever and the officials did the right thing by picking up the flag. If anything should have been called on Hitchens, it should have been defensive holding and obviously Pettigrew's illegal grabbing of the face mask would have made it offsetting penalties. Any Detroit fan that believes they deserved a free first down on this play is a moron. But I would agree they deserved another down only because of offsetting penalties. That old ref, who I assume you mean Mike Pereira, is laughably wrong. That is by no means PI and I don't know how people are steady coming to this conclusion. Hitchens only put his hands on Pettigrew because Pettigrew was grabbing his fking face mask.