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Re: Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#201 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:58 am

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oaktownwarriors87 wrote:If Bogut is out Speights still isn't a difference maker.


With Bogut out, Speights has been a HUGE difference maker for us. Are we watching the same team play? Did you watch the game against the Raps?

Is it opposites day maybe? I feel verklempt talking about this.


My only thought on this is there must be some stats that indicate Speights not making a difference. I don't think oaktown is trolling. He may have missed the 2-3 games Speights has won for us this year and some of the other games where he had a big impact like Toronto.
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#202 » by Mylie10 » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:13 am

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Post#203 » by Onus » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:18 am

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I think you don't know the point of the game you are playing. We're trying to win a championship, you're talking about trading one of our rotation big men on the #1 team in the league for a future 1st rd pick. We have post after post talking about needing depth at big man spots because Bogut cant stay healthy and Ezeli can't get healthy. The point is to win a championship... not to collect assets.


Except when fully healthy we have 4 centers capable og getting minutes yet only 2 will get minutes. And if you want to get technical green has played center for us as well making that 5.

Having lee and speights will be redundant. I'd rather trade Lee but that would be much harder.

I mean it's great that we have this depth when there's injuries but when everyone gets healthy and Lee or speights wont play because there's not enough time, it would behoove us to capitalize now if there was an offer.

2 months ago most of you wanted to cut speights for nothing and now you wouldn't trade him for a 1st, it's just crazy.


Yeah, when fully healthy we got plenty of big men. Just curious if you know how many games have we been fully healthy this year? or last year?

So lets just assume that we will be fully healthy in the playoffs and ditch the guys that are playing well now? And we're the ones playing checkers?


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but do we really need 5 players that only really play 1 positions or 48 min
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Post#204 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:25 am

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Except when fully healthy we have 4 centers capable og getting minutes yet only 2 will get minutes. And if you want to get technical green has played center for us as well making that 5.

Having lee and speights will be redundant. I'd rather trade Lee but that would be much harder.

I mean it's great that we have this depth when there's injuries but when everyone gets healthy and Lee or speights wont play because there's not enough time, it would behoove us to capitalize now if there was an offer.

2 months ago most of you wanted to cut speights for nothing and now you wouldn't trade him for a 1st, it's just crazy.


Yeah, when fully healthy we got plenty of big men. Just curious if you know how many games have we been fully healthy this year? or last year?

So lets just assume that we will be fully healthy in the playoffs and ditch the guys that are playing well now? And we're the ones playing checkers?


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but do we really need 5 players that only really play 1 positions or 48 min


We have 3 guys who ONLY play center. 2 are injured and 1 (Kuzmic) is useless. Yes, we need to keep Speights and Lee.
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#205 » by Mylie10 » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:04 am

Based on the way the Warriors approached the off-season in regards to the big man situation, and that they haven't panicked and dealt for anyone, in favor of sticking with the roster......plus the fact that they've maintained an open roster spot. It leads me to believe there's a wink wink deal in place for Jermaine Oneal.

Once Oneals done coaching his sons basketball team, we may hear rumblings of Oneal coming back for a second half insurance run. Would be soothing just to have him around in case things go bad. Especially having him fresh for the playoffs would be nice.

Doesn't seem like the Warriors are worrying to much about the big man depth right now in this first half of the season, but adding a veteran big without giving up anyone, seems like the direction they'd like to go.

Now to prove me wrong, Tentacles will make a huge trade...lol
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#206 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:11 am

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantas ... -dalembert

Assuming there is no wink wink deal with O'Neal... lets just sign Dalembert outright after he's waived.
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Post#207 » by Mylie10 » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:40 am

I really don't like Dalembert and have never seen him as a guy who really gives an ess about winning. But if it was after he was waived then maybe.

But realize we are last on the list to make a claim based on winning records and no doubt Dallas would claim him before we had a chance even if we were interested.
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#208 » by East Bay Sports » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:40 am

azwfan wrote:http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybasketball/update/24935019/report-knicks-could-waive-c-samuel-dalembert

Assuming there is no wink wink deal with O'Neal... lets just sign Dalembert outright after he's waived.

Why would we want to sign someone who can't get run over Cole Aldrich? Emphatic PASS from me
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#209 » by Onus » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:43 am

JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#210 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:47 am

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azwfan wrote:http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybasketball/update/24935019/report-knicks-could-waive-c-samuel-dalembert

Assuming there is no wink wink deal with O'Neal... lets just sign Dalembert outright after he's waived.

Why would we want to sign someone who can't get run over Cole Aldrich? Emphatic PASS from me

Aldrich is looking decent these days. I'd want him cause he's better than Kuzmic.
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Post#211 » by Onus » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:47 am

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Yeah, when fully healthy we got plenty of big men. Just curious if you know how many games have we been fully healthy this year? or last year?

So lets just assume that we will be fully healthy in the playoffs and ditch the guys that are playing well now? And we're the ones playing checkers?


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but do we really need 5 players that only really play 1 positions or 48 min


We have 3 guys who ONLY play center. 2 are injured and 1 (Kuzmic) is useless. Yes, we need to keep Speights and Lee.


Speights has played less than 10% of his minutes at pf. Ezeli has played 1% less minutes at pf. I guess he plays pf for us as well
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#212 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:48 am

Mylie10 wrote:I really don't like Dalembert and have never seen him as a guy who really gives an ess about winning. But if it was after he was waived then maybe.

But realize we are last on the list to make a claim based on winning records and no doubt Dallas would claim him before we had a chance even if we were interested.


We can't claim him off waivers because we are not under the salary cap and don't have an exception that his current salary fits into. After he clears waivers he's a UFA and can sign with any team. He'd still probably go to a team like the Cavs who have a nice juice exception to sign him with and give him more than the minimum... but he's another possibility.
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Post#213 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:51 am

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We have 3 guys who ONLY play center. 2 are injured and 1 (Kuzmic) is useless. Yes, we need to keep Speights and Lee.


Speights has played less than 10% of his minutes at pf. Ezeli has played 1% less minutes at pf. I guess he plays pf for us as well


Um, a lot of Ezeli's minutes were playing with Kuzmic in garbage time during the 4th quarter. Ezeli is a center only.
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#214 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:52 am

Onus wrote:JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz


Actually he wouldn't just be sitting on the bench. He'd be playing because the 1st two centers are injured.
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Post#215 » by East Bay Sports » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:54 am

Onus wrote:JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz

Isn't JO ringless? We know he feels a connection with the organization and fans here, plus 2/3 of our centers trio is incredibly injury prone. There is a decent chance we will need him to contribute come playoff time, and we can tell him as much. On the off chance everyone is healthy he winds up deep on the bench, but can still find ways to contribute in a championship effort, even in a role like Juwan Howard has had in Miami where you aren't getting playing time in games but you are just a veteran presence to have around.
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Re: Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#216 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:58 am

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oaktownwarriors87 wrote:If Bogut is out Speights still isn't a difference maker.


With Bogut out, Speights has been a HUGE difference maker for us. Are we watching the same team play? Did you watch the game against the Raps?

Is it opposites day maybe? I feel verklempt talking about this.


Well we were talking about a healthy team in the playoffs and you said with Lee and with Ezeli. I don't think singling out one performance, especially without a 100% Ezeli and Lee, is an accurate or honest way to look at the big picture.

The Warriors are +7.7 with Speights. That's great. But they are +11.7 without him.

I think what Speights is doing is nice. I just think Lee could do the exact same thing better. And with the health of Bogut and Ezeli in question I would much rather have a capable rim protector than a mid range shooter... which is why I would trade him for a solid defensive center.

Speights isn't much of difference maker. Like Barnes he's just taking advantage of a great situation.
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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#217 » by Twinkie defense » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:14 am

I used to hate Speights. Could the Warriors essentially swap him for Dalembert? Sure. I wouldn't do that though.
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Post#218 » by napsDUBS » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:03 am

I say we wait for JO for his decision before the deadline, if he doesn't sign with us, then, we make a move to get a solid defensive center and possibly a shooter off the bench.
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Re: Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#219 » by azwfan » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:32 am

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oaktownwarriors87 wrote:If Bogut is out Speights still isn't a difference maker.


With Bogut out, Speights has been a HUGE difference maker for us. Are we watching the same team play? Did you watch the game against the Raps?

Is it opposites day maybe? I feel verklempt talking about this.


I think what Speights is doing is nice. I just think Lee could do the exact same thing better. And with the health of Bogut and Ezeli in question I would much rather have a capable rim protector than a mid range shooter... which is why I would trade him for a solid defensive center.

Speights isn't much of difference maker. Like Barnes he's just taking advantage of a great situation.


Speights is the kind of player who could win us a playoff game we have no business winning. (He's won some regular season games for us). He's the kind of guy who can comes in and go for 20+ pts in 24 minutes when Steph or Klay have been locked down... why? Cause he is a great midrange shooter and he's gonna get open looks on this team. He's not gonna do that on the Sixers cause he won't be open. But on this team, he's going to be open. And he can knock down those shots like no other big on the team. That's someone taking advantage of a great situation... but I'd still say that's a difference maker.

Lee may be better than Speights at this role (if Lee plays better D and his jumper is back to pre-2014 levels). But in any case, let Lee take Speights' role... by earning it. We have a great team, no need to screw it up by dealing away someone the team loves and has played great for us this year.
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Re: Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#220 » by Onus » Mon Jan 5, 2015 6:37 am

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Onus wrote:JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz


Actually he wouldn't just be sitting on the bench. He'd be playing because the 1st two centers are injured.


Is jo better than lee or speights? No then he'd be the third string center at this point. Once bogut and Ezeli start coming back that just pushes him further and further down the line

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