Rudy Gobert: Future DPOY

[laploutocratie]

LOL at the Hawks fans trying to bring some prospect into this conversation. Let's stay on topic and discuss Rudy's progression in the NBA, not some chump in Europe.

[oldschooled]

Mutombo?

[Catchall]

Most of this was in one 10-minute stint.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crMXZq_lzoM[/youtube]

[Catchall]

Okay, so that highlight clip was on page 2 of this thread. my bad

[orlandomanic]

Walter Tavares is a guy i like a lot better than Rudy Gobert, Tavares is like a bigger more skilled version of Gobert, even though he has only been playing for five years.

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League. He is two inches longer than Gobert and 30lbs heavier at 270lbs, Tavares is also alot faster and more mobile than Gobert.

When i see Gobert, he looks very skinny like another Shawn Bradley, but when you look at Tavares, his build looks like a taller Marc Gasol.

I think Gobert can turn into a good role player, but i think Tavares has a shot at winning one DPOY and making a few all defensive teams, because of his free throw shooting and bulk and speed. it just depends if he continues to improve and Coach Budenholzer develops him.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

[quote="orlandomanic"]Walter Tavares is a guy i like a lot better than Rudy Gobert, Tavares is like a bigger more skilled version of Gobert, even though he has only been playing for five years.

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League. He is two inches longer than Gobert and 30lbs heavier at 270lbs, Tavares is also alot faster and more mobile than Gobert.

When i see Gobert, he looks very skinny like another Shawn Bradley, but when you look at Tavares, his build looks like a taller Marc Gasol.

I think Gobert can turn into a good role player, but i think Tavares has a shot at winning one DPOY and making a few all defensive teams, because of his free throw shooting and bulk and speed. it just depends if he continues to improve and Coach Budenholzer develops him.[/quote]

I like how you continue to say Gobert is a horrible ft shooter and Tavares is a good ft shooter. Gobert only shot 65 FT's last year, and has already improved dramatically. Where are you getting your stats?? Tavares shot 54.5% in Eurocup and is shooting 62.5% in ACB, both of those are worse than Gobert is shooting in the NBA. Gobert is shooting at a higher FG% percentage in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. He is scoring more efficiently in the NBA than Tavares in the ACB as he has a higher PPS and is shooting better from the FT line. In December when Gobert was playing the same minutes he was a MUCH better rebounder in the NBA than Tavares (always been a knock on Tavares especially for his size) is in the ACB. He is a much better passer than Tavares and averages twice as many assists in fewer minutes. Rudy despite not being as long is actually blocking shots in the NBA better than Tavares is in the ACB, in fewer minutes. Gobert turns the ball over at a lower rate in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. [b]The biggest thing that separates the two right now[/b] is that Tavares is fouling at a 55 percent higher rate in the ACB than Gobert is in the NBA. That is HUGE as that is only going to get worse in the NBA. He is fouling at a really high rate right now. Gobert's blocks to foul ratio is WAY higher than Tavares. So where are all these skills that you are talking about Tavares having that Rudy doesn't? So far in the best league in the world, Gobert is a better scorer, rebounder, passer, blocker, defender, and can actually stay in games because he isn't fouling like crazy. Also Rudy Gobert is younger than Tavares

Tavares who isn't as good a defender in the ACB has potential to be the DPOY but Gobert doesn't?? Opponents score 13 points less per 100 possessions when Gobert is on the floor, that is RIDICULOUS. Gobert is the BEST DEFENDER AT THE RIM in the NBA and the gap is widening the more minutes he gets. Opponents are shooting 38.5% at the rim when Gobert is protecting it. This great defense despite not committing fouls.
[url]http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*15%7CBLK*G*1[/url]

Right now, he is ahead of Bogut, Hibbert, Ibaka, and Howard who make up the top 5. Gobert is outplaying Tavares in the best league in the world, and he is younger than Tavares.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Also, Gobert is 250 right now, not 235 when he first came in.

[Ballerhogger]

i say mutumbo ceiling.

[Hedda Gambler]

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League.

You need to stop this ****. From what I can see, Rudy Gobert has shot a total of 225 FTs in his club career - in Europe and the US - making 139 of them for a 61,8 percentage. Tavares has shot 130 and made 88 for a percentage of 67,7. The numbers are way too low to make any judgement calls yet. Calling Gobert horrible and Tavers good based on these numbers is just stupid.

[StocktonShorts]

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League.

You need to stop this ****. From what I can see, Rudy Gobert has shot a total of 225 FTs in his club career - in Europe and the US - making 139 of them for a 61,8 percentage. Tavares has shot 130 and made 88 for a percentage of 67,7. The numbers are way too low to make any judgement calls yet. Calling Gobert horrible and Tavers good based on these numbers is just stupid.

Let's not let numbers and facts get in the way of a spirited argument.

[Domejandro]

I think he will be a solid player. I think the hype train is getting way too intense (naming the greatest defenders ever is a little/really silly), but I won't completely piss on the parade, haha.

[jazzfan1971]

A poor man's Walter Tavares.

[Xsy]

Rudy's only getting better. Who knows where he'll peak, but it's gonna be higher than this.

He's quickly become the most real prospect the Jazz have right now. I love our young guys, but none of them have wowed me on such a consistent basis as Rudy has in this half season alone.

[laploutocratie]

Walter Tavares is a guy i like a lot better than Rudy Gobert, Tavares is like a bigger more skilled version of Gobert, even though he has only been playing for five years.

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League. He is two inches longer than Gobert and 30lbs heavier at 270lbs, Tavares is also alot faster and more mobile than Gobert.

When i see Gobert, he looks very skinny like another Shawn Bradley, but when you look at Tavares, his build looks like a taller Marc Gasol.

I think Gobert can turn into a good role player, but i think Tavares has a shot at winning one DPOY and making a few all defensive teams, because of his free throw shooting and bulk and speed. it just depends if he continues to improve and Coach Budenholzer develops him.

I like how you continue to say Gobert is a horrible ft shooter and Tavares is a good ft shooter. Gobert only shot 65 FT's last year, and has already improved dramatically. Where are you getting your stats?? Tavares shot 54.5% in Eurocup and is shooting 62.5% in ACB, both of those are worse than Gobert is shooting in the NBA. Gobert is shooting at a higher FG% percentage in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. He is scoring more efficiently in the NBA than Tavares in the ACB as he has a higher PPS and is shooting better from the FT line. In December when Gobert was playing the same minutes he was a MUCH better rebounder in the NBA than Tavares (always been a knock on Tavares especially for his size) is in the ACB. He is a much better passer than Tavares and averages twice as many assists in fewer minutes. Rudy despite not being as long is actually blocking shots in the NBA better than Tavares is in the ACB, in fewer minutes. Gobert turns the ball over at a lower rate in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. The biggest thing that separates the two right now is that Tavares is fouling at a 55 percent higher rate in the ACB than Gobert is in the NBA. That is HUGE as that is only going to get worse in the NBA. He is fouling at a really high rate right now. Gobert's blocks to foul ratio is WAY higher than Tavares. So where are all these skills that you are talking about Tavares having that Rudy doesn't? So far in the best league in the world, Gobert is a better scorer, rebounder, passer, blocker, defender, and can actually stay in games because he isn't fouling like crazy. Also Rudy Gobert is younger than Tavares

Tavares who isn't as good a defender in the ACB has potential to be the DPOY but Gobert doesn't?? Opponents score 13 points less per 100 possessions when Gobert is on the floor, that is RIDICULOUS. Gobert is the BEST DEFENDER AT THE RIM in the NBA and the gap is widening the more minutes he gets. Opponents are shooting 38.5% at the rim when Gobert is protecting it. This great defense despite not committing fouls.
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*15%7CBLK*G*1

Right now, he is ahead of Bogut, Hibbert, Ibaka, and Howard who make up the top 5. Gobert is outplaying Tavares in the best league in the world, and he is younger than Tavares.

He didn't even read the thread, and doesn't watch Rudy. Just wanted to come in to hype up Tavares. From the clips I've seen, Tavares moves like a turtle, and would get blown past by even bigs, let alone have a big defensive impact.

[slicedbread2]

If I were a Jazz fan, I'd be doing these chants whenever he's on the floor:

"Rudy, Rudy, Rudy!"

Or like that song from the clash:

"Rudy can't fail!"

On a serious note though, I think he's going to be a wall defensively in the future. The amount of shots he alters is simply amazing and if I were Snyder, I'm giving him more minutes since he's pretty much going to be the #1 guy on the center depth soon if not already. Offensively, he needs to get more comfortable with the ball in his hands as he sometimes second-guesses himself when figuring out what to do in the low post, but I think with more experience and familiarity, he could easily become a 12-16/8-12/2-3 type of player per game with a 65-75% FT shooting. Probably a Marcus Camby/Dikembe Mutombo type of player on defense and offensively will be better.

If I'm Utah, I hope that Porzingis or Towns is available when it's time to draft as both players are good stretch 4's and pairing one with Gobert would be a nightmare. Everybody on the team not named Hayward, Exum or Gobert is available right now for the right price.
This should be interesting with regards to where Snyder and this team goes as the season and years progress.

[atlantabbq99]

To find someone so long, athletic and coordinated is very rare. It was clear in summer league that he was ready.

The number of shots he already blocks/alters is phenomenal and he is only going to get better and better.

He needs to add some bulk but let's hope he doesn't add too much that it impacts his speed

He will never be an elite offensive player but certainly he has shown he can finish at the rim, roll very well and his passing is above average for a center. Already linking very well with Exum and better PG play than Burke offers should result in plenty of easy baskets for him.

If I am the Jazz I'm looking to move Kanter ASAP and possibly even Favors if they can't play together. Exum/Hayward/Gobert is their future. Signing Burks to that deal was a huge mistake.

Man, I would love to get Favors back to Atlanta. If their is anyway a trade could be worked out. Favors would just fit in perfectly into the Hawks' new system.

As for Gobert. its really great when a team can get a player who can contribute that is drafted outside of the lottery. I think only 12% of all players drafted outside of the lottery ended up having a career over 7 years. Gobert could be good enough to be a starter with in 2 or 3 years, which is great to get a started that is drafted in the late first round or second round.

Gobert should just bulk up alittle bit more, Millsap and Horford were able to push him around alittle bit too much in the post, but besides that, he is a solid prospect and has a shot at becoming a decent starter in 2 or 3 years.

[atlantabbq99]

Wow, i'm really liking all the Walter Tavares' love on this board! Atlanta fans saw Tavares in the summer league and we got really excited what we saw from him both physically and skill wise. He is a mountain of a man and moves well with alot of athleticism. Just like Pops, coach Budz is going to bring him along slowly and probably end up developing him into a great two way player for the Hawks, especially in the new system we have now.

[Goon]

I remember during the offseason, when Grantland had an article about his future (I'm almost sure it was Grantland), and a lot of guys on here were screaming who want's to read about this no-name, well here you have it lads, train's coming and it's not slowing down!

I'm not a Jazz fan, but really hope Gobert and Exum develop to their potential and form an unstoppable duo. Good luck.

[azuresou1]

Why the hell are we talking about Walter Tavares? Totally off-topic.

I'm a big fan of Rudy Gobert, I think Camby is the best comparison I've seen thus far. He has excellent positioning and those freakishly long arms help him rebound and block, but also make him an easy finishing target for his teammates. I haven't seen anything to indicate he can score outside of inside buckets, but he doesn't need to.

[King Ken]

Walter Tavares is a guy i like a lot better than Rudy Gobert, Tavares is like a bigger more skilled version of Gobert, even though he has only been playing for five years.

Unlike Gobert who is a horrible free throw shooter, Tavares is good and has been shooting over 70% from the line in both the Spanish league and NBA Summer League. He is two inches longer than Gobert and 30lbs heavier at 270lbs, Tavares is also alot faster and more mobile than Gobert.

When i see Gobert, he looks very skinny like another Shawn Bradley, but when you look at Tavares, his build looks like a taller Marc Gasol.

I think Gobert can turn into a good role player, but i think Tavares has a shot at winning one DPOY and making a few all defensive teams, because of his free throw shooting and bulk and speed. it just depends if he continues to improve and Coach Budenholzer develops him.

I like how you continue to say Gobert is a horrible ft shooter and Tavares is a good ft shooter. Gobert only shot 65 FT's last year, and has already improved dramatically. Where are you getting your stats?? Tavares shot 54.5% in Eurocup and is shooting 62.5% in ACB, both of those are worse than Gobert is shooting in the NBA. Gobert is shooting at a higher FG% percentage in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. He is scoring more efficiently in the NBA than Tavares in the ACB as he has a higher PPS and is shooting better from the FT line. In December when Gobert was playing the same minutes he was a MUCH better rebounder in the NBA than Tavares (always been a knock on Tavares especially for his size) is in the ACB. He is a much better passer than Tavares and averages twice as many assists in fewer minutes. Rudy despite not being as long is actually blocking shots in the NBA better than Tavares is in the ACB, in fewer minutes. Gobert turns the ball over at a lower rate in the NBA than Tavares is in the ACB. The biggest thing that separates the two right now is that Tavares is fouling at a 55 percent higher rate in the ACB than Gobert is in the NBA. That is HUGE as that is only going to get worse in the NBA. He is fouling at a really high rate right now. Gobert's blocks to foul ratio is WAY higher than Tavares. So where are all these skills that you are talking about Tavares having that Rudy doesn't? So far in the best league in the world, Gobert is a better scorer, rebounder, passer, blocker, defender, and can actually stay in games because he isn't fouling like crazy. Also Rudy Gobert is younger than Tavares

Tavares who isn't as good a defender in the ACB has potential to be the DPOY but Gobert doesn't?? Opponents score 13 points less per 100 possessions when Gobert is on the floor, that is RIDICULOUS. Gobert is the BEST DEFENDER AT THE RIM in the NBA and the gap is widening the more minutes he gets. Opponents are shooting 38.5% at the rim when Gobert is protecting it. This great defense despite not committing fouls.
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*15%7CBLK*G*1

Right now, he is ahead of Bogut, Hibbert, Ibaka, and Howard who make up the top 5. Gobert is outplaying Tavares in the best league in the world, and he is younger than Tavares.

While I don't agree that Walt is more skilled, I do agree with him that Walt has the markings of a legit NBA stud. He moves extremely well laterally and running. He is not as explosive as Gobert who is an explosive player for his size. Walt has great form on his FA's like Gobert. Both can be solid FA shooters. Walt simply has a better frame and hasn't missed much time as well as he's not an above the rim type that gets injured but he does have high arches with is a concern but he's been healthy.

Comparing NBA stats to Euro stats isn't fair. If you have the measureables and talent, you can put up better numbers in the NBA than in Europe. We seen it with a ton of these French NBA players as well as these African prospects like Ibaka. If we go back to Gobert's euro stats, Tarvares is the superior player and his team wins games and is built through him in a MUCH tougher league than the France Ligue.

So many lies as well. Edy is the best defender in Europe, wtf are you talking about saying otherwise? The only one close is Augusto Lima who plays for Universidad Catolica De Murica CB. Tarvares is one of the best rebounders in Europe on offense and defense. He is seen someone with good rebounding fundamentals as well. Tavares is seen as the best shot blocker in Europe, once again, you are talking nonsense right now. Tavares hedges better than Gobert, he is more laterally quick than Gobert, he has gotten much smarter on defense this year which Gobert always had the edge on Edy as well as Edy defends his man better in the low post as well. He is smoother at running the PnR and his jumper is better than Gobert. Where Gobert is better is explosiveness, scoring in the paint, creating his own offense and offensive awareness. I got love for both players and Gobert is one of the BEST up and coming bigs in the NBA. Not to mention he is 22 y.o.

He didn't even read the thread, and doesn't watch Rudy. Just wanted to come in to hype up Tavares. From the clips I've seen, Tavares moves like a turtle, and would get blown past by even bigs, let alone have a big defensive impact.

Nonsense, I been watching both players since Gobert was a prospect in France. I had a hard on for Gobert for the longest as a prospect and the Jazz did a heck of a job for drafting him. The euro step he did was one of the most skilled moves from a 7'2 center we've seen since Yao graced the league.