Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

[JF5]

Mark Jackson isn't a good coach, he's a good motivational speaker. Cut it out.

This board loves to blame everything on JV, but overlook that our team just isn't that good on a consistent basis.

We have a lot of good young talent, but they are extremely inconsistent at this point in their development.

People want to blame the recent Brooklyn loss on JV and not the terrible shooting by the team. GTFOH


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You GTFO! You know it and I know it, JV is a terrible coach. I'm tired of people defending the guy. And all of you are fools when you say Jackson, Skiles, McMillian, Hollins and others are not good coaches. JV is the one who is not a good coach.

I've always been on the fence about JV but you're expecting a young team to be so much better? I thought this team would be better but with rationale this team is doing what a young teams supposed to be doing. Its ceiling of winning games if they played relatively well every game and hard every night was in the high 30's low 40's. Bottom out was in the latter 20's, low 30's. And they're somewhere in between those numbers. Its REAL frustrating to watch, but at the same time there is development and role/lineup shifts that we fans have to bite down on and watch because it improves the team for the future.

[drsd]

You GTFO! You know it and I know it, JV is a terrible coach. I'm tired of people defending the guy. And all of you are fools when you say Jackson, Skiles, McMillian, Hollins and others are not good coaches. JV is the one who is not a good coach.

As teams grow up, the next stage often involves finding a dedicated and disciplinarian coach to guide the team. Skiles is exactly the guy I think Orlando needs to move to the next level. The team needs guidance from a firm leader. Short of Thibodeau magically becoming available, why not Skiles?

GM Hennigan has assembled a collection of gym rats eager to learn. That mentality responds well to a disciplined coach.

Why not Skiles?


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[Nemesis21]

Mark Jackson isn't a good coach, he's a good motivational speaker. Cut it out.

This board loves to blame everything on JV, but overlook that our team just isn't that good on a consistent basis.

We have a lot of good young talent, but they are extremely inconsistent at this point in their development.

People want to blame the recent Brooklyn loss on JV and not the terrible shooting by the team. GTFOH


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You GTFO! You know it and I know it, JV is a terrible coach. I'm tired of people defending the guy. And all of you are fools when you say Jackson, Skiles, McMillian, Hollins and others are not good coaches. JV is the one who is not a good coach.

I've always been on the fence about JV but you're expecting a young team to be so much better? I thought this team would be better but with rationale this team is doing what a young teams supposed to be doing. Its ceiling of winning games if they played relatively well every game and hard every night was in the high 30's low 40's. Bottom out was in the latter 20's, low 30's. And they're somewhere in between those numbers. Its REAL frustrating to watch, but at the same time there is development and role/lineup shifts that we fans have to bite down on and watch because it improves the team for the future.

I'm not saying that, I just don't think he is a great coach. He should be preaching rebounding every day, I can't tell you how many times when we shoot a jump shot, that no one is around the basket to rebound except Vooch, the other 4 players on the court are already running back on defense pretty much after the shot is in the air. Leaving Vooch to fight for a rebound vs 2 and sometimes 3 players. At times it often looks like this team is not playing with any passion, play very lazy. He doesn't light a fire under this squad at all. I also believe it's ridiculous that Vic gets most of the starting PG minutes. Most of the time Vic is playing too reckless, yes we've been seeing Payton and Oladipo on the floor starting more often, but I believe Elf should start no matter what with Vic at the 2.

[JF5]

You GTFO! You know it and I know it, JV is a terrible coach. I'm tired of people defending the guy. And all of you are fools when you say Jackson, Skiles, McMillian, Hollins and others are not good coaches. JV is the one who is not a good coach.

I've always been on the fence about JV but you're expecting a young team to be so much better? I thought this team would be better but with rationale this team is doing what a young teams supposed to be doing. Its ceiling of winning games if they played relatively well every game and hard every night was in the high 30's low 40's. Bottom out was in the latter 20's, low 30's. And they're somewhere in between those numbers. Its REAL frustrating to watch, but at the same time there is development and role/lineup shifts that we fans have to bite down on and watch because it improves the team for the future.

I'm not saying that, I just don't think he is a great coach. He should be preaching rebounding every day, I can't tell you how many times when we shoot a jump shot, that no one is around the basket to rebound except Vooch, the other 4 players on the court are already running back on defense pretty much after the shot is in the air. Leaving Vooch to fight for a rebound vs 2 and sometimes 3 players. At times it often looks like this team is not playing with any passion, play very lazy. He doesn't light a fire under this squad at all. I also believe it's ridiculous that Vic gets most of the starting PG minutes. Most of the time Vic is playing too reckless, yes we've been seeing Payton and Oladipo on the floor starting more often, but I believe Elf should start no matter what with Vic at the 2.

It just comes with the scheme and with the players that are on this roster. You open up the lanes because Elfrid can't shoot and is better when penetrating/getting into the lane. Same with Oladipo (Except he can shoot but is better when penetrating and getting into the lanes). That's why Aaron Gordon was drafted and Channing Frye was signed. TO compliment their games, along with Tobias and Nikola...

Plus, though I LOVE Payton... His inability to shoot affects the team on offense when he doesn't have the ball. He just stands in a corner and your left playing 4/5 in situations where he doesn't have the ball. People want to put the ball in his hands every single time. Its not possible nor is it plausible because it takes away from the diversity/development of this team. Even when he DOES have the ball in his hand and is forced to shoot/score because that's a clear weakness of his game. We saw this against the Nets... His inability to make Free-Throws or make shots cost the Magic a chance to tie the game. (Though he did bring them back along with Ben Gordon). People are too blind to realize that he handicaps the team to a certain degree though he is a very good PG. That's why you see a Fournier/Oladipo backcourt featured more. Because that has the ability to stretch the court and keep those defenders honest on the perimeter. Not so much with Payton on the court...

[Furinkazan]

JV should be banned from the NBA

[FloridaHoosier]

I was on the fence about all this at the beginning of the season and willing to give him some time when we weren't "tanking", but 29 points in the 1st half last night was the end for me. No real reaction from him or interaction with the players on the bench. It's painful to watch on TV, but even more so in person. We are not "booers", except the refs, but those tickets weren't given to me and we don't have a lot of discretionary income to blow on 29 POINTS IN THE 1ST HALF!!!!!!!!

(We didn't spend money to see Ridnour, Fournier, Gordon, and Marble on the court at the SAME TIME!)

[ezzzp]

Plus, though I LOVE Payton... His inability to shoot affects the team on offense when he doesn't have the ball. He just stands in a corner and your left playing 4/5 in situations where he doesn't have the ball. People want to put the ball in his hands every single time. Its not possible nor is it plausible because it takes away from the diversity/development of this team. Even when he DOES have the ball in his hand and is forced to shoot/score because that's a clear weakness of his game. We saw this against the Nets... His inability to make Free-Throws or make shots cost the Magic a chance to tie the game. (Though he did bring them back along with Ben Gordon). People are too blind to realize that he handicaps the team to a certain degree though he is a very good PG. That's why you see a Fournier/Oladipo backcourt featured more. Because that has the ability to stretch the court and keep those defenders honest on the perimeter. Not so much with Payton on the court...

Nah, I like Oladipo alot, but the pace and energy level on both ends of the floor is so much better with Payton at the helm with the ball in his hands.

Oladipo is very weak at controlling the pace of the game; on fast breaks he often makes bad decisions; does not get to the line; is not good (at times plain terrible) at the pick and roll/pop; and while shooting better than last year is still very much on the inefficient side of the spectrum...all while being ball dominant (high usg/low assist) when he's on the court.

Oladipo has gotten better at passing out of drives or when roaming but still regularly does not play with his head up. Those kamikaze dives to the basket look great and make for fun highlights but in reality that's usually at the expense of everyone else just standing around on the perimeter (uninvolved) on clear outs designed for him. After nearly 2 years of playing together you would think there would be a chemistry between him and Vuc (the most efficient offensive weapon on the court) but there's not and often his deliveries to Vuc are late or off target if made at all.

[purpleswordfish]

I was on the fence about all this at the beginning of the season and willing to give him some time when we weren't "tanking", but 29 points in the 1st half last night was the end for me. No real reaction from him or interaction with the players on the bench. It's painful to watch on TV, but even more so in person. We are not "booers", except the refs, but those tickets weren't given to me and we don't have a lot of discretionary income to blow on 29 POINTS IN THE 1ST HALF!!!!!!!!

(We didn't spend money to see Ridnour, Fournier, Gordon, and Marble on the court at the SAME TIME!)

It's common practice to rest younger players on back to back games like Jacque Vaughn did. It definitely sucks that you spent money on tickets to see a lot of reserve play, but that's the reality of an 82 game season. These things happen and fans suffer.

As for the majority of other posts, go ahead and keep blaming coaching. But, you can't blame the coaching and act like Hennigan and the players are trying to reach the NBA Finals. It's a young team with almost no bench play whatsoever. They're going to be bad, they're going to be incredibly inconsistent. It's not Jacque's fault.

[FloridaHoosier]

I was on the fence about all this at the beginning of the season and willing to give him some time when we weren't "tanking", but 29 points in the 1st half last night was the end for me. No real reaction from him or interaction with the players on the bench. It's painful to watch on TV, but even more so in person. We are not "booers", except the refs, but those tickets weren't given to me and we don't have a lot of discretionary income to blow on 29 POINTS IN THE 1ST HALF!!!!!!!!

(We didn't spend money to see Ridnour, Fournier, Gordon, and Marble on the court at the SAME TIME!)

It's common practice to rest younger players on back to back games like Jacque Vaughn did. It definitely sucks that you spent money on tickets to see a lot of reserve play, but that's the reality of an 82 game season. These things happen and fans suffer.

As for the majority of other posts, go ahead and keep blaming coaching. But, you can't blame the coaching and act like Hennigan and the players are trying to reach the NBA Finals. It's a young team with almost no bench play whatsoever. They're going to be bad, they're going to be incredibly inconsistent. It's not Jacque's fault.

I understand about resting players on back to backs, I have been watching the Magic since the beginning. You don't play them all together at the same time. There is no conceivable "match up" that that makes sense in.

[OrlChamps2030]

For those supporting JV.. I just dont understand what you expect him to become?? A top 5 coach?? A top 10 coach?? A top 15 coach?? Mediocre coaches are probably the easiest thing to replace on a team. And calling JV mediocre right now is a huge compliment

[BadMofoPimp]

How much worse does this team have to get before people wake up and see that Jackhoff is a horendous coach?

[MagicMadness]

My only problem with firing JV right now (other than not being a fan of doing it in-season) is my belief that the talent he has is simply not good/experienced enough yet to win many games no matter who is coaching them.

I mean, our best all-around player is 22 years old. And he doesn't even average 20ppg...

Our 'star' center can't play defense. Our top lottery pick has been out since November. Our rookie PG is extremely raw and worse at FT shooting than Dwight. We have no go-to shooters. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and one of the youngest of the past 15 years.

And because of all this (and much more), it's hard for me to point the finger at Vaughn and say "You, sir, are THE reason this team has only won 13 games instead of...17!"

We were awful last year, and made no significant improvements. I know we're called the Magic, but Vaughn can't pull a rabbit out of the same old hat. Maybe Vaughn sucks, maybe he doesn't. Give him a talented roster and maybe we can find out...

[AmazinMUSIC]

How much worse does this team have to get before people wake up and see that Jackhoff is a horendous coach?

How much worse does this team have to get before people wake up and see that our young players just aren't as good as we would like them to be at this point and time?


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[AmazinMUSIC]

For those supporting JV.. I just dont understand what you expect him to become?? A top 5 coach?? A top 10 coach?? A top 15 coach?? Mediocre coaches are probably the easiest thing to replace on a team. And calling JV mediocre right now is a huge compliment

I think he'll be top 10 once some of our talent matures and we acquire another top 20 level talent via free agency. Give a coach a mediocre team, expect mediocre results.


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[OrlandoNed]

For those supporting JV.. I just dont understand what you expect him to become?? A top 5 coach?? A top 10 coach?? A top 15 coach?? Mediocre coaches are probably the easiest thing to replace on a team. And calling JV mediocre right now is a huge compliment

I think he'll be top 10 once some of our talent matures and we acquire another top 20 level talent via free agency. Give a coach a mediocre team, expect mediocre results.


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Nice troll job. Bravo.

[OrlChamps2030]

My only problem with firing JV right now (other than not being a fan of doing it in-season) is my belief that the talent he has is simply not good/experienced enough yet to win many games no matter who is coaching them.

I mean, our best all-around player is 22 years old. And he doesn't even average 20ppg...

Our 'star' center can't play defense. Our top lottery pick has been out since November. Our rookie PG is extremely raw and worse at FT shooting than Dwight. We have no go-to shooters. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and one of the youngest of the past 15 years.

And because of all this (and much more), it's hard for me to point the finger at Vaughn and say "You, sir, are THE reason this team has only won 13 games instead of...17!"

We were awful last year, and made no significant improvements. I know we're called the Magic, but Vaughn can't pull a rabbit out of the same old hat. Maybe Vaughn sucks, maybe he doesn't. Give him a talented roster and maybe we can find out...

So you want to give Jock a few more seasons until this team matures and is more talented?

[MagicMadness]

My only problem with firing JV right now (other than not being a fan of doing it in-season) is my belief that the talent he has is simply not good/experienced enough yet to win many games no matter who is coaching them.

I mean, our best all-around player is 22 years old. And he doesn't even average 20ppg...

Our 'star' center can't play defense. Our top lottery pick has been out since November. Our rookie PG is extremely raw and worse at FT shooting than Dwight. We have no go-to shooters. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and one of the youngest of the past 15 years.

And because of all this (and much more), it's hard for me to point the finger at Vaughn and say "You, sir, are THE reason this team has only won 13 games instead of...17!"

We were awful last year, and made no significant improvements. I know we're called the Magic, but Vaughn can't pull a rabbit out of the same old hat. Maybe Vaughn sucks, maybe he doesn't. Give him a talented roster and maybe we can find out...

So you want to give Jock a few more seasons until this team matures and is more talented?

All I'm really saying is that the team wasn't meant to win many games this season, no matter who the coach was.

[purpleswordfish]

My only problem with firing JV right now (other than not being a fan of doing it in-season) is my belief that the talent he has is simply not good/experienced enough yet to win many games no matter who is coaching them.

I mean, our best all-around player is 22 years old. And he doesn't even average 20ppg...

Our 'star' center can't play defense. Our top lottery pick has been out since November. Our rookie PG is extremely raw and worse at FT shooting than Dwight. We have no go-to shooters. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and one of the youngest of the past 15 years.

And because of all this (and much more), it's hard for me to point the finger at Vaughn and say "You, sir, are THE reason this team has only won 13 games instead of...17!"

We were awful last year, and made no significant improvements. I know we're called the Magic, but Vaughn can't pull a rabbit out of the same old hat. Maybe Vaughn sucks, maybe he doesn't. Give him a talented roster and maybe we can find out...

I think that this is a pretty reasonable perspective and it's similar to my own thoughts. I don't know if Jacque Vaughn can be a good coach, I don't think anyone knows. The organization has been very clear in stating that they think Jacque has a very high ceiling as a coach and that they're going to evaluate him when the team has a roster that is expected to win. Going into this year, I don't feel like the front office made any assertions that this year was a "win now" year.

He did get an extension prior to this year (albeit a one-year extension). I don't feel like he's anywhere near the hot seat. I get the criticisms, especially about the rotation changing so much. However, if you're losing games like the Magic are, your coach is going to tinker with the rotation to try and find something that works better. If anything, he and his staff deserve some credit for the current starting five that is performing a lot better in the first and third quarters.

[AmazinMUSIC]

My only problem with firing JV right now (other than not being a fan of doing it in-season) is my belief that the talent he has is simply not good/experienced enough yet to win many games no matter who is coaching them.

I mean, our best all-around player is 22 years old. And he doesn't even average 20ppg...

Our 'star' center can't play defense. Our top lottery pick has been out since November. Our rookie PG is extremely raw and worse at FT shooting than Dwight. We have no go-to shooters. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, and one of the youngest of the past 15 years.

And because of all this (and much more), it's hard for me to point the finger at Vaughn and say "You, sir, are THE reason this team has only won 13 games instead of...17!"

We were awful last year, and made no significant improvements. I know we're called the Magic, but Vaughn can't pull a rabbit out of the same old hat. Maybe Vaughn sucks, maybe he doesn't. Give him a talented roster and maybe we can find out...

I think that this is a pretty reasonable perspective and it's similar to my own thoughts. I don't know if Jacque Vaughn can be a good coach, I don't think anyone knows. The organization has been very clear in stating that they think Jacque has a very high ceiling as a coach and that they're going to evaluate him when the team has a roster that is expected to win. Going into this year, I don't feel like the front office made any assertions that this year was a "win now" year.

He did get an extension prior to this year (albeit a one-year extension). I don't feel like he's anywhere near the hot seat. I get the criticisms, especially about the rotation changing so much. However, if you're losing games like the Magic are, your coach is going to tinker with the rotation to try and find something that works better. If anything, he and his staff deserve some credit for the current starting five that is performing a lot better in the first and third quarters.

Agree...and agree.


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[AmazinMUSIC]

For those supporting JV.. I just dont understand what you expect him to become?? A top 5 coach?? A top 10 coach?? A top 15 coach?? Mediocre coaches are probably the easiest thing to replace on a team. And calling JV mediocre right now is a huge compliment

I think he'll be top 10 once some of our talent matures and we acquire another top 20 level talent via free agency. Give a coach a mediocre team, expect mediocre results.


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Nice troll job. Bravo.

Ty Ty... I try my best.


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