Cavs/Knicks/OKC in 3 Way Trade Talks (JR+SHUMP TRADED TO CLE)

[PMFJB]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

[Bklyn&company]

Send Calderon to Houston for Jason Terry! Dammit! ..Lol

Sidenote: Utah... Elliott Williams 10 day.... was playing really well in the DLeague... good defender can also play some point, former 1st that got hurt..

[MKCATL]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

If Calderon and Timmy get moved, I would have to think Phil has a slam dunk lined up for the offseason, cause they keep bringing up culture change, there's no one left.

[mpharris36]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

Why do you think Tim isn't going anywhere. He doesn't pass or defend two thing phil likes in his guards.

[knickstape21]

One thing I like about all this cap space regarding free agents next summer is that these guys HAVE to be somewhat thinking to themselves "New York is going to be dishing out a lot of money..."

Money talks.

[StephNYKurry]

phil is getting congratulated for recognizing the team sucks after the fact ? he has no choice but to tank now because it's the only way to salvage the season.

Phil should probably not be congratulated or bashed yet until we see what happens next offseason at least. Nobody is going to look back at Phil and think about all this garbage and second rounders that get moved around. Its going to come down to what he does with the cap space and draft pick.

absolutely agree. i guess some people just feel luckier then me.

[K_ick_God]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Yes I think he wants 2, and you are alluding to another factor that is not discussed enough -- he didn't anticipate a top 4 or 5 pick. Their cap holds are significantly larger and will eat up room. Also could have been why they declined Larkin's option. BTW I'm not sure that they can't keep Larkin. Not sure anybody will bid over $1.5M for him. You could make him a multi-year deal and possibly retain him too.

[Deeeez Knicks]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

[StephNYKurry]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

He was initially supposed to be apart of a veteran team that would find it's way into the playoffs, but now that that's off the table, it's time to shed cash.

[KNIXFAN_83]

Dont be surprised if Melo gets traded...

Melo ain't getting traded.

[Capn'O]

some of you should go over to the sixers board, they are so upset. They believe Phil out tanked Hinkie.

One wanted an "investigation" done on the Knicks. That was awesome.

[Capn'O]

Dont be surprised if Melo gets traded...

Don't mess with me, Context.

[E86]

Phil is smart, if the team is going to suck he is going to save money so investors don't scare Dolan into making a rash decision.

[PMFJB]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

Why do you think Tim isn't going anywhere. He doesn't pass or defend two thing phil likes in his guards.

Because if he is going scorched earth he would have traded him already and got a pick out of it.

Unless he is going to use him to get rid of Calderon. Which ok then I am wrong.

[ghostowl]

I'd say we trade Melo to Bulls for Butler + 2nd Round Pick

Butler is younger, more athletic, can score as many points as Melo, plays better defense, and actually not an empty stat filler type of player.

[ibraheim718]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

I'd shop him right back to Cuban.

[NOOB77]

Phil saw last year and saw we were really close to the playoffs. Saw how horrible Felton was and how Tyson mailed it in last year. Watch Dallas and saw Calderon and Dally as two starters playing in the playoffs. He thought that if I replace Felton and Tyson with Calderon and Dally that our win total would increase and we would be in the playoffs. From early reports he thought that Bargs would be able to play half way decent in this system. So those three things in his mind would increase our win total and get us in the playoffs.

That clearly didn't happen....

So instead of compounding the mistake/gamble by trading our expiring contract (Bargs and Amare) for players like Stevenson or Gordon to correct the mistake and get the team in the playoffs he is changing his plan and sell off these players and plan on rebuilding around Melo, top 30 pick and around 30 million dollar in cap space. Then in 2016 when Calderon comes off the books and the cap goes up make a run at another top player.

Next year I would love to see a line-up like

Calderon
Danny Green
Melo
Okafor/Towns
Asik

This will start setting a defensive tone to our team with Green and Asik. Calderon, Green and Melo provide spacing. Asik can play a little in the post.

Then when 2016 rolls around have a good amount of space to add to that team and push it over the top.

[Bklyn&company]

this move would suggest calderon might be on the way out too (probably with timmy).

We would have about 27 million approx. to spend with cap holds and options. If you are able to find a trade partners for Timmy and Calderon that would save the knicks another 9 million off the cap next year.

THat would give them approx. 36 million of space to sign 2 max FA plus draft a top 3 pick.

People were right when it would be difficult to get a max FA to sign here. But Phil's plan might be to convince two. Maybe one guy is more willing to come if he knows another guy is coming to team up with Melo.

That would make the most sense right now to me.

Tim is going nowhere.

If Calderon gets traded 3 months in then why did he trade for him in the first place?

LOL.. yea a stupid question.... really, you dudes know how to waste fu*king time and go over the same sh*t over and over... SMH. Like you all really wanted felton as your point guard..

Guess you all are scared of change.

[MKCATL]

Can any cap guy tell me if there is any significance to the amount of money Melo left on the table, to clearing all the salary? Like if Melo took his full load and we cleared our cap would we have enough for 2 max? Or did we need him to take less and this was part of the plan?

[K_ick_God]

I do want to say something to god shammgod's "luck" principle which I mostly agree with.

Would Phil be going all-in on cap room without having a good feel for how he'll use it or who wants to come?

Worth considering. He's a very measured, low-risk kind of guy. I'm just saying it's reasonable to ask whether he would go strong in one direction without feeling good about a safe landing.

Bron is coming! Nah but it wouldn't surprise me if this move is based on positive indications from somewhere or somebody. Hoodwinked again!

Also keep in mind that he likes Shumpert, at least some, and still dealt him away for room. It's not like Shumpert has no potential left. Been playing badly but still has tools and growth potential that fits what Phil looks for. But still dealt him to jettison JR for room. Somebody put the Carl Batman sign in the sky.