Trade Idea Thread II

[Clemenza]

Yes quality SF's don't grow on trees but at least take a SF in the draft instead of picking yet another shooting guard who he won't play. That can help for starters especially after botching our other assets in bad trades. At least draft right. KJ McDaniels and Kyle Anderson was sitting right there for the taking but nooo.. Doc's gotta Doc

[LACtdom]

I'm starting to question how a new SF will fix our problems. Barnes isn't a great scorer but like everyone says, offence isn't our problem. Either way we are still going to have JJ or JC as a liability on defense. Paul, Barnes & DJ are all good one on one defenders. It's our team defense which sucks. Giving up a good defender + players for a slightly better defender may not improve our team D as much as getting a defensive SG and better bench players. Maybe I'm wrong and a player like Jeff Green will improve our Team D and our bench?

Not only does length and defense need to be added at SF, if Doc is going to use stupid 5 man bench lineups, Hawes needs to be paired with an athletic, shot blocking and defensive PF, not Glen Davis. You also can't play Hedo at SF with Hawes and Davis for example.

If you're playing Farmar, Jamal and Hawes, then your SF and C need to be defensive guys.

EG: Farmar/Jamal/Bullock/Udoh/Hawes

Obviously they think Udoh sucks, so the goal is to find a player that fits the role, they don't need to be that good.

I think we'd be much better trading Jamal instead of barnes so our bench would be:
Farmar / Bullock / Barnes / Davis / Udoh
Although if we want a good SF to start then we probably have to give up both JC and Barnes.

[og15]

I'm starting to question how a new SF will fix our problems. Barnes isn't a great scorer but like everyone says, offence isn't our problem. Either way we are still going to have JJ or JC as a liability on defense. Paul, Barnes & DJ are all good one on one defenders. It's our team defense which sucks. Giving up a good defender + players for a slightly better defender may not improve our team D as much as getting a defensive SG and better bench players. Maybe I'm wrong and a player like Jeff Green will improve our Team D and our bench?

Not only does length and defense need to be added at SF, if Doc is going to use stupid 5 man bench lineups, Hawes needs to be paired with an athletic, shot blocking and defensive PF, not Glen Davis. You also can't play Hedo at SF with Hawes and Davis for example.

If you're playing Farmar, Jamal and Hawes, then your SF and C need to be defensive guys.

EG: Farmar/Jamal/Bullock/Udoh/Hawes

Obviously they think Udoh sucks, so the goal is to find a player that fits the role, they don't need to be that good.

I think we'd be much better trading Jamal instead of barnes so our bench would be:
Farmar / Bullock / Barnes / Davis / Udoh
Although if we want a good SF to start then we probably have to give up both JC and Barnes.

You forgot Hawes, but yea, that might be better as long as a suitable trade can be found, which is the struggle.

[MartinToVaught]

have to agree with qrich3. we would all love to get a great player at the 3 spot. getting it done without breaking up the core is the problem. the west is tough and it will take an exceptional effort for any team to make it to the finals. health, luck, and the refs will all play a big part.

It wouldn't be impossible if we didn't trade away draft picks like candy, if we had a GM that knows how to draft, and if we had a real coach who is willing and able to develop young players.

[mj_shoefanatic]

Yes quality SF's don't grow on trees but at least take a SF in the draft instead of picking yet another shooting guard who he won't play. That can help for starters especially after botching our other assets in bad trades. At least draft right. KJ McDaniels and Kyle Anderson was sitting right there for the taking but nooo.. Doc's gotta Doc

Exactly

[LACtdom]

The Los Angeles Clippers have told at least one inquiring team that they do not intend to trade Jamal Crawford.

The Clippers have a thin bench and that would become even a bigger issue if Crawford was traded.

Doc Rivers has a limited set of assets to try to improve the Clippers' roster.

Read more at http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... pf2Ze0d.99

This breaks my heart.

[Forte IV]

JJ Redick, Farmar, WIlcox to Nuggets for Foye and Chandler. Don't feel like explaining it now but I'd be up for this trade.

[Quake Griffin]

LOL at not trying to trade Jamal Crawford.

just lol

[mattd13]

forte, the clips are not trading jj. look in another direction to fix the clips. they need a 2nd unit pg and a defensive 3 to help matt.

[mkwest]

The Los Angeles Clippers have told at least one inquiring team that they do not intend to trade Jamal Crawford.

The Clippers have a thin bench and that would become even a bigger issue if Crawford was traded.

Doc Rivers has a limited set of assets to try to improve the Clippers' roster.

Read more at http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... pf2Ze0d.99

This breaks my heart.

Same thing has been said about Hawes.

I'm not the type who thinks we need to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade, but some guys haven't earned the right of being considered off the table imo. If the right deal comes along, we shouldn't hesitate.

[mttwlsn16]

Hawes has been a waste of money. Wouldn't mind seeing what we could get for him.

[LACtdom]

The Los Angeles Clippers have told at least one inquiring team that they do not intend to trade Jamal Crawford.

The Clippers have a thin bench and that would become even a bigger issue if Crawford was traded.

Doc Rivers has a limited set of assets to try to improve the Clippers' roster.

Read more at http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... pf2Ze0d.99

This breaks my heart.

Same thing has been said about Hawes.

I'm not the type who thinks we need to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade, but some guys haven't earned the right of being considered off the table imo. If the right deal comes along, we shouldn't hesitate.

We need to hold players accountable which is why it is normally the FO that makes trade decisions (with coach input) not the coach (who spends all day with players and develops favourites). I don't think anyone outside of a few players have played well enough to be kept completely off the table. We have already seen that making small moves (CDR, Udoh, Farmar, etc) have done nothing. It's time to make a slightly bigger move with salaries like JJ, Jamal, Barnes.

[mattd13]

I have to say I am a big jj fan and have been since his first year at duke. I do not see his defense as the problem. he is no longer being tested every play and makes his rotations better than anyone else on the team. if you check out the scoring of the sg's against the clips see how many have shot their average against him. if you look at cp3 he has been outplayed the last month in a lot of games and blake has played poorly on defense. this team needs more consistent defense from the so called stars to be any good in the playoffs. jj is surely not a great defender. but overall he brings a lot to the table that I would not part with.

[QRich3]

I'm not sure where it's implied I'm focusing on wing issues. In fact when I wrote the post that wasn't really on my mind. My issue has to do with the guy being the larry brown version of GM's: someone who, when presented with young talent of any sort, tries to kill it with fire.

I thought bringing dudley in was a good move. Redick a great one. Granger and davis pretty good, mullens an awful one (though i can't blame him for trying). But my point is that playing veteran roulette can't be the only aspect of creating a roster. And that's pretty much how he's been running the team while throwing all our first rounders off a cliff or locking them in a jail cell.

I'm not asking to trade crawford for a superstar. I'm not asking for us to have all-star talent from the 1 to the 5. But using most of your MLE on matt barnes when he sucked last year? Then not giving bullock ANY burn until now (and even then barely)? Lighting first rounders on fire just to erase previous mistakes? He's running some bad business here.

I don't know man, it seems most of your criticism is with Doc the coach then, not the GM, and I don't agree with it at all. If the worst thing you can think he's done as an executive is signing Matt Barnes (the guy who has very decently manned most of our minutes at SF for 3 years), to half the MLE with only two years guaranteed, I don't know what to say... Barnes is a bargain contract and we're very lucky that he's been at least half decent for the ridiculous amount he makes. Tell me another starter (not on a rookie contract) that plays heavy minutes on a good team and is making less than him?

You guys, and most sports fans, are way too impatient with rookies. Doc is developing Bullock in the best way possible, I'm more convinced of that every day. Bullock is now an important part of the 2nd unit, and he's shooting lights out and playing awesome defense in the limited minutes he's getting, he's developing a lot better than I expected. I have no doubt he'll be a 20-25MPG guy next season, and a good starting role player the year after that. That's pretty much the best you can ask for a guy at the end of the 1st round. And Doc has a history of doing the same thing with a lot of other low end guys, like Tony Allen, Bradley, Perkins, Rondo, Big Baby, Al Jefferson, and on and on and on. You guys get all impatient on him to play rookies, but his rookies usually have a better and longer career than most coaches in the league, even if they have to wait a year or two to get their beak wet.

[QRich3]

I have to say I am a big jj fan and have been since his first year at duke. I do not see his defense as the problem. he is no longer being tested every play and makes his rotations better than anyone else on the team. if you check out the scoring of the sg's against the clips see how many have shot their average against him. if you look at cp3 he has been outplayed the last month in a lot of games and blake has played poorly on defense. this team needs more consistent defense from the so called stars to be any good in the playoffs. jj is surely not a great defender. but overall he brings a lot to the table that I would not part with.

Yeah, he's actually great at playing positional defense and guarding the pick'n'roll, but for some reason (well, his really short arms mostly) even with that, the numbers usually say guys score at a better rate when he's defending them. Not at a Crawford-like rate, but still under league average by a good margin.

Checking NBA.com numbers from the SportsVU thingy, there's now a very nice section that tells you the scoring percentage each of our players holds his man to, and the difference with that guy's usual percentage. For instance, JJ Redick holds his man to a similar % he always scores at (0.2% under average actually), but lets his man shoot at 2.2% better than usual from 3. Chris Paul actually shuts his man to score 2.1% worse than average, although he too lets his man light it out from 3. Blake's and DJ's man score more or less their average when they defend them, but unsurprisingly Crawford's man scores 1.2% better than average when he's guarding him, including 5.4% better on 2 pointers and 3.2% better from outside of 15ft. He's just lucky half of his man's attempts are 3s and they don't happen to go in very often, but guys are shooting 53% from 2 and 66% from inside 10ft when he guards them.

Looking at those numbers one can also see how much of a gem we might have in Bullock, in the few minutes he's been playing, he's holding his man to shoot 10% worse than his average, letting them shoot 34.7% from 2 and 30.8% from 3 Obviously these numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt and put into context, but it does agree with what I see when Bullock gets minutes, he's very active and knows how to use his hands and bother up his man. Add that to his awesome shooting percentages and we might have what we hoped for in him, and then some more.

[mattd13]

good to see those stats. what do you see as a possible chance to make a trade that would be a real upgrade. I just do not see any possibilities. I really think we need another back up pg but to get a starting 3 that would be a game changer doesn't seem to be in the cards.

[Ranma]

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[LACtdom]

Would Denver be looking for expiring contracts? If so, who do we have? I really don't want to trade Bullock as I think he will be a real asset for us.

[Ranma]

Ugh...why even consider taking on one of Mark Jackson's instigating lap dogs from the Golden State fracas?

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