UFC 182 (1/3): Jones vs Cormier (Las Vegas,PPV)....

[cowboyronnie]

The other line I have heard 345654 times since this fight...Jones likes to fight everyone where they are best in order to beat them at their own game.

I know Fedor did that for awhile. I didn't really know that was a thing with Bones though. What am I missing?

It's a thing, it's been lauded by Rogan on a couple occasions. I'm trying to think of the fights, looking at his record isn't jogging my memory. It included clinching with Glover - playing the short-game when he had such a ridiculous length advantage.

[Susan]

LOL at the entire audience's faces / pointing as Bones grabs the top of the cage.

If you can't overcome somebody grabbing the top of the cage as you're taking them down, you probably don't belong in this sport.

[Jasen777]

JDS isn't the fighter he was before the 2nd and 3rd Cain fights. He's got little for Jones at this point IMO. Cain is the only one who could be favored over Jones (and I'm not sure about that).

[REDDzone]

Yea, nogo on JDS. Its morbid, but the last thought I had on JDS after the Stipe fight is that I needed to remind myself to fade him next fight if he's the favorite.

[Susan]

I think Werdum would be really interesting. His standup is more technical than Jones' and his reach is probably about the same as Gus' and his BJJ is the best in the world.

[Cammo101]

The other line I have heard 345654 times since this fight...Jones likes to fight everyone where they are best in order to beat them at their own game.

I know Fedor did that for awhile. I didn't really know that was a thing with Bones though. What am I missing?

It's a thing, it's been lauded by Rogan on a couple occasions. I'm trying to think of the fights, looking at his record isn't jogging my memory. It included clinching with Glover - playing the short-game when he had such a ridiculous length advantage.

It started when he was willing to stand and trade with Machida I believe.

[REDDzone]

It started when he was willing to stand and trade with Machida I believe.

Hm that would be a weird time to start it since he lost the standup aspect of that fight for the first 1.5 rounds. Then he hit a big takedown and cut Machida and from there he pushed him against the cage and finished with a choke.

[CPT]

I still haven't gone back and rewatched it, but I maintain that the fight was very close, even as a whole. Maybe that will change with a rewatch, but maybe it won't, because I'll probably just be looking to confirm what I thought the first time.

Rounds 1 and 5 (more so 1) were close enough for me to give 10-10s in a title fight (or any fight). I don't think 5 round fights should be decided on rounds that close. In both, you had Jones doing a lot of controlling and Jones things, but for me that flies out the window when the other guy starts doing actual damage, even if it's only for one of the five minutes.

2 was DC, nobody seems to dispute that.

3 was close. I gave it to DC at the time, but it may be a 10-10 or even a Jones round.

4 was Jones, the most dominant round, and the reason why I'm fine with Jones winning.

5, as above, had Jones winning by control, but Cormier got that slam (kinda) and was finishing strong. 10-10 or Jones.

For as much as DC was said to have been broken by the end of the fight, I could see a round 6 going either way. I know that's not supposed to matter, and it doesn't for official scoring, but for my sense of who would win a rematch, or whether a rematch is appealing, it absolutely does.

So for me, anything from 49-49 to 49-46 Jones would be reasonable.

But I thought it was a close fight, a great fight, and one I'd be more than willing to see happen again very soon.

[Gregoire]

I still haven't gone back and rewatched it, but I maintain that the fight was very close, even as a whole. Maybe that will change with a rewatch, but maybe it won't, because I'll probably just be looking to confirm what I thought the first time.

Rounds 1 and 5 (more so 1) were close enough for me to give 10-10s in a title fight (or any fight). I don't think 5 round fights should be decided on rounds that close. In both, you had Jones doing a lot of controlling and Jones things, but for me that flies out the window when the other guy starts doing actual damage, even if it's only for one of the five minutes.

2 was DC, nobody seems to dispute that.

3 was close. I gave it to DC at the time, but it may be a 10-10 or even a Jones round.

4 was Jones, the most dominant round, and the reason why I'm fine with Jones winning.

5, as above, had Jones winning by control, but Cormier got that slam (kinda) and was finishing strong. 10-10 or Jones.

For as much as DC was said to have been broken by the end of the fight, I could see a round 6 going either way. I know that's not supposed to matter, and it doesn't for official scoring, but for my sense of who would win a rematch, or whether a rematch is appealing, it absolutely does.

So for me, anything from 49-49 to 49-46 Jones would be reasonable.

But I thought it was a close fight, a great fight, and one I'd be more than willing to see happen again very soon.

I dont see rd 1 and 5 to be very close, imo Jones won these rounds more clear, than Cormier won round 2 ( and 1 judge give rd 2 to Jones, while 1 and 5 were Jones at all scorecards). Dont see 10-10 at all in these fight aside maybe rd 3.

[Gregoire]

Guys, what do you think: if it would be 3 round fight, outcome would be different?

[CPT]

Guys, what do you think: if it would be 3 round fight, outcome would be different?

I don't know that it would be, but I think it could be. The move to three rounds would seem to favour Cormier, but Jones might be more aggressive without the need to pace himself.

If you judged the first three rounds of this fight, to me, it's either a draw or win for Cormier, but that's not exactly fair. Both fighters would have trained and fought differently.

[lilfishi22]

If it was a 3 round fight, it would be fought like a 3 round fight. I don't think we can use the 5 rounder to judge what the outcome of a 3 round fight would likely to be.

[Gregoire]

Guys, what do you think: if it would be 3 round fight, outcome would be different?

I don't know that it would be, but I think it could be. The move to three rounds would seem to favour Cormier, but Jones might be more aggressive without the need to pace himself.

If you judged the first three rounds of this fight, to me, it's either a draw or win for Cormier, but that's not exactly fair. Both fighters would have trained and fought differently.

I scored it round 1 for Jones, round 2 Cormier, round 3 slightly to Jones, but I could see the draw after 3 rounds, it was extremely close...

[Gregoire]

Explain me please one thing. During the fight I saw two times official UFC strike counting.

First, after 3 rounds according translation DC was ahead: 81/178 landed vs 81/132 for Jones.

Second time, 3:25 remaining in the 5th, Jones had 109/172 and DC - 98/207.

Now, we go to fightmetrics, UFC, espn stats after fight (they all are equal) and we can see:

after 3 rounds

Significant strikes: Dc - 51/141, Jones - 65/ 134 total strikes: DC - 63/156, Jones - 77/147

After 5 rounds

Sig. strikes: DC - 58/165, Jones - 92/178. total strikes: DC - 78/191, Jones - 126/215

How could you explained it? What was the numbers during the translation?

[CPT]

Lombard has been fined, suspended one year, and had his win overturned.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/03/hector-lom ... ed-by-nsac

[REDDzone]

Hm, has Lombard popped before? I thought first offense was usually 9 months?