Rudy Gobert: Future DPOY

TKainZero · Post #81 » by **TKainZero** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 1:51 pm

Ceiling
The 2nd best post player in the nba after anthony Davis

I remember when he played vs the lakers last season, and he just blew me away. He didn't know how to play, but his size, length, and most importantly, his fuilditity. He just moved so well, he could run up and down the court with ease. A player like oden looks like he has to labour up and down the court, gobert just runs effortlessly. To be that big, and move the way he does is amazing.

He killed it in the summer league, and was one of the too players in the fiba

That he was taken 27th is insane.
In the redraft, does he go first in the 2013 draft?

laploutocratie · Post #82 » by **laploutocratie** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 2:15 pm

TKainZero wrote:Ceiling
The 2nd best post player in the nba after anthony Davis

I remember when he played vs the lakers last season, and he just blew me away. He didn't know how to play, but his size, length, and most importantly, his fuilditity. He just moved so well, he could run up and down the court with ease. A player like oden looks like he has to labour up and down the court, gobert just runs effortlessly. To be that big, and move the way he does is amazing.

He killed it in the summer league, and was one of the too players in the fiba

That he was taken 27th is insane.
In the redraft, does he go first in the 2013 draft?

Knowing what we now know, and how embarrassingly disappointing that entire class is, I think Rudy does go first. The only guy with as much upside and uniqueness is Giannis, so you could make a convincing case for him, but otherwise, Rudy goes first. You don't get a 7' 2" center with this much length, fluidity, and defensive presence without using a top 1 or 2 pick. It's a shame he went 27th, given how teams salivate over bigs like this.

veji1 · Post #83 » by **veji1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:00 pm

With his length AND speed (which is the most impressive part, how fast and fluidly he moves for his size) and the motor and progress already shown, he has the potential to be a 14/14/3 type of DPOY monstruosity.. Now of course we are only talking potential here, lots of things can go wrong.

For example injuries. Players so big are very fragile. In this thread I have already read several posters say he needs to bulk up more for example. Well I am adamantly against this. His body type is tall and lanky, you won't turn him into a thick center without endangering his longevity. A Shaquille O'Neal was built the way he was from the get go, but not a Gobert. even if he keeps being pushed around a little, too much mass is a big risk.

Big players like this have to be protected. To me a Gobert is a type of player you keep below 33 minutes on average and whose body you don't want to mess up with because he is already very coordinated, meaning that his body works well.. sometimes those massive players are big stiffs who need that extra muscle to move around better. Not him.

If the injury bug doesn't get him (and for such a big fella, chances of injury in the next 4/5 years are high) I really think he is a future DPOY.

veji1 · Post #84 » by **veji1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:03 pm

laploutocratie wrote:
TKainZero wrote:Ceiling
The 2nd best post player in the nba after anthony Davis

I remember when he played vs the lakers last season, and he just blew me away. He didn't know how to play, but his size, length, and most importantly, his fuilditity. He just moved so well, he could run up and down the court with ease. A player like oden looks like he has to labour up and down the court, gobert just runs effortlessly. To be that big, and move the way he does is amazing.

He killed it in the summer league, and was one of the too players in the fiba

That he was taken 27th is insane.
In the redraft, does he go first in the 2013 draft?

Knowing what we now know, and how embarrassingly disappointing that entire class is, I think Rudy does go first. The only guy with as much upside and uniqueness is Giannis, so you could make a convincing case for him, but otherwise, Rudy goes first. You don't get a 7' 2" center with this much length, fluidity, and defensive presence without using a top 1 or 2 pick. It's a shame he went 27th, given how teams salivate over bigs like this.

Might have had to do with his foot injury. It was benign, but nevertheless, 7'2 players with a foot injury, many teams just think "nah, not gonna work". Now the Jazz might have pulled a deluxe Brandon Roy here : draft a player that should have gone higher thanks to teams passing on his injury risks and getting a great return for some years, even though chances are injuries will catch up eventually.

Post #85 » by **Slava** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:13 pm

Right from the first time he played against us, I was hoping against hope that the Lakers would find a way to get him before he inevitably blew up. He was thin and raw as a badger's ass at that time but you could see the athleticism and timing on his defensive rotations coming together, I couldn't even care about his offense. The fact that Utah had a glut of big men could have worked for the right assets but now they'd be smart to move Kanter and start him.

He still cannot play all that well with Favors though, so it could still be interesting which way they go when they eventually have to look to win games. But I do love the core of Exum/Favors/Hayward & Gobert even if the rest turn out to be horse manure. That is something you can build on.

DiscoLives4ever · Post #86 » by **DiscoLives4ever** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:12 pm

Kanter is going to get some serious money thrown at him this off season, so the question for the Jazz will be:

Can a 96-minute rotation of Gobert/Kanter/Favors work long-term? And is it worth tying up half the salary cap (35+ million a year) in those three guys which is what will be required to keep them if Rudy keeps improving.

Keeping those guys, the Jazz would be devoting 50% of the cap to their bigs, and another 30% to Hayward and Burks, that only leaves 20-25% of the cap for Exum and the rest of the roster. Is that enough to get them into contention?

laploutocratie · Post #87 » by **laploutocratie** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:17 pm

DiscoLives4ever wrote:Kanter is going to get some serious money thrown at him this off season, so the question for the Jazz will be:

Can a 96-minute rotation of Gobert/Kanter/Favors work long-term? And is it worth tying up half the salary cap (35+ million a year) in those three guys which is what will be required to keep them if Rudy keeps improving.

Keeping those guys, the Jazz would be devoting 50% of the cap to their bigs, and another 30% to Hayward and Burks, that only leaves 20-25% of the cap for Exum and the rest of the roster. Is that enough to get them into contention?

I don't think so. Offense-only bigs who play no semblance of defense whatsoever aren't valuable commodities around the league. Kanter seems to be a hard worker, but he's not a guy I'd pay over 10+ million. But if Kanter can be had for cheap, he'd be a good 6th man big off the bench. The Jazz would be wise to build around Favors and Gobert as the starting frontcourt of the future, and should be wary that some GM will throw the entry-level max at Rudy if he keeps this pace up.

Post #88 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:21 pm

laploutocratie wrote:
TKainZero wrote:Ceiling
The 2nd best post player in the nba after anthony Davis

I remember when he played vs the lakers last season, and he just blew me away. He didn't know how to play, but his size, length, and most importantly, his fuilditity. He just moved so well, he could run up and down the court with ease. A player like oden looks like he has to labour up and down the court, gobert just runs effortlessly. To be that big, and move the way he does is amazing.

He killed it in the summer league, and was one of the too players in the fiba

That he was taken 27th is insane.
In the redraft, does he go first in the 2013 draft?

Knowing what we now know, and how embarrassingly disappointing that entire class is, I think Rudy does go first. The only guy with as much upside and uniqueness is Giannis, so you could make a convincing case for him, but otherwise, Rudy goes first. You don't get a 7' 2" center with this much length, fluidity, and defensive presence without using a top 1 or 2 pick. It's a shame he went 27th, given how teams salivate over bigs like this.

Not only did he just go 27, but that pick was bought for a mid 2ed round pick. Just an absolute steal by Utah, I was so jealous on draft night.

veji1 · Post #89 » by **veji1** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:41 pm

DiscoLives4ever wrote:Kanter is going to get some serious money thrown at him this off season, so the question for the Jazz will be:

Can a 96-minute rotation of Gobert/Kanter/Favors work long-term? And is it worth tying up half the salary cap (35+ million a year) in those three guys which is what will be required to keep them if Rudy keeps improving.

Keeping those guys, the Jazz would be devoting 50% of the cap to their bigs, and another 30% to Hayward and Burks, that only leaves 20-25% of the cap for Exum and the rest of the roster. Is that enough to get them into contention?

Nah it isn't a problem because Gobert is on a cheap contract for 2 more seasons after this one. So if the Jazz have Favors (12mil), Kanter (say 10mil, max 12, no one will give him more), Gobert (2mils) a 2mils vet and a rookie, they have tied 27/29 millions to cover their entire 4/5 rotation for the next 2 years. That's perfectly acceptable. That then gives them 2 more season before Gobert gets extended to plan.

If Gobert is the stud he could be, a perennial DPOY type of player, well you trade Favors or Kanter for something else... Favors / Kanter / Gobert works really well financially for the next 2 seasons.

MotownMadness · Post #90 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 5:52 pm

I have never even seen him play and had no idea he was so highly thought of. I'm gonna have to check this kid out.

amcfad27 · Post #91 » by **amcfad27** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 7:00 pm

atlantabbq99 · Post #92 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 5:36 am

Big deal, who cares......

This is a reach.....

His name is Tacko Fall

laploutocratie · Post #93 » by **laploutocratie** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 5:45 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Big deal, who cares......

This is a reach.....

His name is Tacko Fall

He's making a name for himself already with all these posters.

TigerInYourTank · Post #94 » by **TigerInYourTank** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 6:17 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Big deal, who cares......

This is a reach.....

His name is Tacko Fall

Looks like he'll break the record for highest standing reach by 2-3 inches or more (hard to tell). He's 7 foot 6, apparently, with an 8 foot wingspan? Maybe he isn't exerting himself that much in the picture with him holding the rim?

Hikari · Post #95 » by **Hikari** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 7:15 am

Here is one from his first summer league: (He grabbed that and dunked it.)

Post #96 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 7:38 am

Rudy probably dropped in the draft less because of what he can or could do, and more so because so many skinny, foreign 7 foot athletes never amount to anything at all. Foreign guys seem to get saddled with being compared to foreign failures a LOT.

He was a real grab, jealous when teams get such a good young prospect late.

IFeelsYaBrah · Post #97 » by **IFeelsYaBrah** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 7:42 am

I'd say it is probably white, with a big ceiling fan and 3 out of 4 working light-bulbs.

TeaM DimE · Post #98 » by **TeaM DimE** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:44 am

Turn on the Jazz/Bulls if you can. Gobert with a 5 point 6 reb 2 block first Q. In his 3rd start he Jazz hold the Bulls to a 16 point first Q. Gobert sits the first 2 minutes of the 2nd Q and Bulls go on a 6-0 run. It's truly unbelievable the impact he is having on the game. THIS KID IS SPECIAL!!!

dautjazz · Post #99 » by **dautjazz** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:13 am

7pts 8rbs 4blks 1stl in 20 minutes in the first half. +8 while he's in, vs Chicago! He's become my favorite player on the team already. :-)

laploutocratie · Post #100 » by **laploutocratie** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:18 am

TeaM DimE wrote:Turn on the Jazz/Bulls if you can. Gobert with a 5 point 6 reb 2 block first Q. In his 3rd start he Jazz hold the Bulls to a 16 point first Q. Gobert sits the first 2 minutes of the 2nd Q and Bulls go on a 6-0 run. It's truly unbelievable the impact he is having on the game. THIS KID IS SPECIAL!!!

Why doesn't he start over Kanter when all three bigs are healthy?