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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

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Post#1841 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jan 7, 2015 12:30 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:I don't know why OKC did this? I mean I really thought that going after Brandon Bass / Brandon Wright would have been clutch for them. I don't see what waiters does for them. . . ?


gambit, here's what the Thunder were thinking:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12125 ... ty-thunder

The Thunder, who used a trade exception to execute the deal, gain the offensively talented Waiters, who had struggled to fit at times over the past two-plus seasons. With Waiters, the Thunder are adding some scoring off the bench and providing insurance for Reggie Jackson, their standout guard who is in the final year of his contract.

"I'm excited about bringing Dion aboard," reigning league MVP Kevin Durant told reporters Monday night. "A guy that has a lot of toughness. Being from the East Coast, I know a lot about Philadelphia, South Philly, where he comes from. Those guys are tough, and they play with an edge. And that's what we need here.

"Just knowing him from playing against him. We're gonna make him feel wanted. I don't think he felt that the last couple years. He's gonna fit in well. He's gonna get comfortable real quick. It's on the leaders -- Russell [Westbrook], myself, Nick [Collison] -- to make him feel at home and feel special and let him play his game."


KD wanted the guy. Likes South Philly tough ballers. The Thunder already know they can't resign Reggie Jackson.

See I get that, I do but that's not what they need. They need a big or two, they don't need Waiters, hes a luxury not a necessity.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1842 » by Nivek » Wed Jan 7, 2015 3:46 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I don't know why OKC did this? I mean I really thought that going after Brandon Bass / Brandon Wright would have been clutch for them. I don't see what waiters does for them. . . ?


gambit, here's what the Thunder were thinking:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12125 ... ty-thunder

The Thunder, who used a trade exception to execute the deal, gain the offensively talented Waiters, who had struggled to fit at times over the past two-plus seasons. With Waiters, the Thunder are adding some scoring off the bench and providing insurance for Reggie Jackson, their standout guard who is in the final year of his contract.

"I'm excited about bringing Dion aboard," reigning league MVP Kevin Durant told reporters Monday night. "A guy that has a lot of toughness. Being from the East Coast, I know a lot about Philadelphia, South Philly, where he comes from. Those guys are tough, and they play with an edge. And that's what we need here.

"Just knowing him from playing against him. We're gonna make him feel wanted. I don't think he felt that the last couple years. He's gonna fit in well. He's gonna get comfortable real quick. It's on the leaders -- Russell [Westbrook], myself, Nick [Collison] -- to make him feel at home and feel special and let him play his game."


KD wanted the guy. Likes South Philly tough ballers. The Thunder already know they can't resign Reggie Jackson.

See I get that, I do but that's not what they need. They need a big or two, they don't need Waiters, hes a luxury not a necessity.


Maybe Waiters figures out how to play well in the NBA now that he's with OKC. But, he's been terrible for two-and-a-half seasons. He was terrible this year. He scores because he shoots a lot, not because he shoots well.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1843 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jan 7, 2015 4:00 pm

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Maybe Waiters figures out how to play well in the NBA now that he's with OKC. But, he's been terrible for two-and-a-half seasons. He was terrible this year. He scores because he shoots a lot, not because he shoots well.

I really think they need to make a move for a big, Maybe they make a play for Mozgov or someone else but IDK... I still think that Bass and/or Wright would be perfect for that team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1844 » by Kanyewest » Wed Jan 7, 2015 5:16 pm

Waiters had a stretch of mediocre/decent offensive play at the end of last season. Maybe that's what they are hoping for.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1845 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jan 7, 2015 8:57 pm

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1846 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jan 7, 2015 9:11 pm

So, its essentially Waiters (how they got the OKC pick, I think) and a 2017 first (based on the protection) for a big who has mostly been a backup. Not impressed.

Edit to add: I guess you also have to include Smith/Shumpert in the calculation, so from that perspective it looks good overall for Cleveland. Still not enough to make them a contender IMO.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1847 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jan 7, 2015 11:30 pm

Man, 2 first for Mozgov....... suddenly a first for Kevin does not seem so far fetched. Big men are at a premium right now. I look for the cavs for flip smith for something. I think trading smith and a second to orlando for Ridnour, Nicholson, and Green would make sense. Maybe to NO or the Pistons. ?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1848 » by queridiculo » Thu Jan 8, 2015 12:36 am

The Nuggets are a worthless organization, why the **** are teams falling all over themselves to make Cleveland a contender on a budget?
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Post#1849 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:47 am

Dalembert to Cleveland?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1850 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:56 am

gambitx777 wrote:Man, 2 first for Mozgov....... suddenly a first for Kevin does not seem so far fetched. Big men are at a premium right now.


Depends on who else is desperate for a big. At this point I'm not sure who else comes to mind.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1851 » by Youheardme90 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:42 am

queridiculo wrote:The Nuggets are a worthless organization, why the **** are teams falling all over themselves to make Cleveland a contender on a budget?


I think it is beneficial for all parties involved to be honest. Also, Shumpert and Mozgov do not suddenly make Cleveland a contender.
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Post#1852 » by spaceman_E » Thu Jan 8, 2015 4:31 am

I don't get it for OKC. Lamb/Morrow are both better players than Waiters. And he's not Reggie insurance either, he's a glorified Jordan Crawford with less PG skills.

Count me in the Mozgov is underrated bin also. I think he's a sizable improvement over their current bigs.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1853 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:05 am

queridiculo wrote:The Nuggets are a worthless organization, why the **** are teams falling all over themselves to make Cleveland a contender on a budget?


Have you seen Jusuf Nurkic play?

That kid is going to be a beast if he stays healthy and quits fouling. DEN probably feels comfortable with his play.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1854 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:04 pm

Plus if McGee get Healthy they really don't need Mozgov. Plus Picks are more valuable to some teams because they draft well. Denver drafts pretty damn well.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1855 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:09 pm

One of the things that made Mozgov so attractive is his contract. He is paid just $4.8M a year this year and next year. Nearly every starting center in the league makes $11M or more except rookie contract guys and Robin Lopez, (Splitter makes $9.3M). A team like Cleveland that is in the luxtax is really going to value cheap salary.

For this reason, I think the Wizards really should consider shopping Rasual Butler at the trade deadline. If Webster gets his groove back and Porter continues his strong play, Butler is going to be redundant. A contender pushing the luxtax will really be interested in a legit, 3-pt assassin who is paid the vet minimum. He might be worth a late 1st round pick.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1856 » by Dat2U » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:14 pm

The Cavs got a good backup C... for 2 1st round picks. Man that's rather pricey. Problem with Mosgov is he's more of an energy guy that a quality defensive big that can lock down the paint. The Cavs STILL need a starting quality big that's a top notch defender.

IMO the Cavs have improved slightly but the loss of Varejao offsets the acquisition of Mosgov. Shumpert should really help & JRSmith offers quality depth but their low post defense is still awful, Love's impact is severely muted as a 3rd option, Kyrie still needs to learn how to win and they need badly need a quality backup PG.

The Cavs aren't legit contenders this season.
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Post#1857 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:41 pm

Dat2U wrote:The Cavs aren't legit contenders this season.

Agreed. And one wonders if Lebron is starting to show some age. When he was young, he could carry a bad team (Cleveland) to the Finals. As he got older, he could carry a mediocre team (Miami with a fading Wade) to the Finals. Now it's looking like he's going to need a pretty good team alongside him to get to the Finals. Kyrie and Love need to pick it up. They need to get that team to be a roughly 45-50 win team without Lebron if they're going to contend with him.
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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1858 » by Induveca » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:15 pm

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Dat2U wrote:The Cavs aren't legit contenders this season.

Agreed. And one wonders if Lebron is starting to show some age. When he was young, he could carry a bad team (Cleveland) to the Finals. As he got older, he could carry a mediocre team (Miami with a fading Wade) to the Finals. Now it's looking like he's going to need a pretty good team alongside him to get to the Finals. Kyrie and Love need to pick it up. They need to get that team to be a roughly 45-50 win team without Lebron if they're going to contend with him.


James still has the talent, but they needed to retool. When an old small forward in Shawn Marion is your starting SG.....trades need to be made.

Mozgov and Shumpert were good moves. Smith will have some room to shoot for the first time in a few years, but he's an obvious gamble. Cleveland may not compete this year, but it's damn fun to watch them desperately attempt to on the fly. :)

I'd seriously consider officially making James the defacto PG and trading Irving/Thompson for Cousins/Collison. The positionless vibe in Miami seemed to suit James very well.

Collison
Shumpert
James
Love
Cousins

Much tougher team with no real holes.
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Post#1859 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:44 pm

Induveca wrote:I'd seriously consider officially making James the defacto PG and trading Irving/Thompson for Cousins/Collison. The positionless vibe in Miami seemed to suit James very well.

Collison
Shumpert
James
Love
Cousins

Much tougher team with no real holes.

Seriously consider? That's a no-brainer slam dunk. Of course Cleveland would do it. Sacramento wouldn't though.
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Post#1860 » by closg00 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:55 pm

Even the best teams are seeking to make improvements to their roster with an eye ahead to the playoffs, what will Ernie's move be?

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