Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[CelticFaninLBC]

Hopefully Green is headed to PHX soon, along with Bradley, for Thomas, Plumlee and Ennis.

Ennis would make little sense on our roster.

If I'm making a deal with PHX involving Green I'm getting TJ Warren. SF of the future, great at getting to the line and scoring without plays getting run for him. Green for Warren + IT works salary wise. We'd have to throw in a pick too I'd assume.

CHA also has loads of intriguing young talent who'd make a nice return for Green. Anyone outta MKG (unlikely, but I'd inquire), Hairston, Vonleh would suffice, though we'd likely need a 3rd team to make the #s work.

I'll be shocked if Green has that type of value. I suspect they have to add either Bradley or Wright to get anything decent for Green.

[sully00]

I guess you hold out until a team like Memphis gets desperate and wants to make the push, but he looks like death in the court right now. Moping around, not doing anything on defense. He's tanking his value and the teams morale, do you make up an injury just to protect the value he has? You'd think he would be pumped up to play himself on to a new team obviously not happening... Pretty disappointed, always liked the guy before he started being all like:

I think Green genuinely thought he had a shot to have a great season in Boston with a healthy Rondo and get a new deal. Guys don't want to get traded from a city and franchise like Boston even when the team is struggling. While we talk all the time about Boston isn't LA or NY it also isn't Milwaukee or Salt Lake City. I think Jeff made the mistake of believing what Danny and Brad were selling and now his agent is blowing up his phone asking how he feels about living in Texas or Portland or wherever. I think Jeff's a real dude who struggles with the fact that the NBA is a business.

[mwhis21]

I guess you hold out until a team like Memphis gets desperate and wants to make the push, but he looks like death in the court right now. Moping around, not doing anything on defense. He's tanking his value and the teams morale, do you make up an injury just to protect the value he has? You'd think he would be pumped up to play himself on to a new team obviously not happening... Pretty disappointed, always liked the guy before he started being all like:

I think Green genuinely thought he had a shot to have a great season in Boston with a healthy Rondo and get a new deal. Guys don't want to get traded from a city and franchise like Boston even when the team is struggling. While we talk all the time about Boston isn't LA or NY it also isn't Milwaukee or Salt Lake City. I think Jeff made the mistake of believing what Danny and Brad were selling and now his agent is blowing up his phone asking how he feels about living in Texas or Portland or wherever. I think Jeff's a real dude who struggles with the fact that the NBA is a business.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How does this explain his utter lack of effort? Or lets elate this reasoning to common folks like us.

I'm in sales, and I have a quota to hit every quarter/year. If I feel that I'm in danger of missing my numbers I worker harder, not just go through the motions, because if for whatever reason I miss that number I hope they saw enough in my work ethic to want to keep me around.

Jeff Green hasn't done anything post-Rondo to make Danny want to keep him around. At this point, I bet that DA is hoping he opts out.

How about step up your play and be a leader with Rondo gone? If playing balls to wall for a potential huge contract isn't enough to motivate Jeff Green, what is?

I understand he's a real person, and the business side can be emotionally draining. But you learn a lot about someone's character when their back is up against the wall.

[165bows]

I guess you hold out until a team like Memphis gets desperate and wants to make the push, but he looks like death in the court right now. Moping around, not doing anything on defense. He's tanking his value and the teams morale, do you make up an injury just to protect the value he has? You'd think he would be pumped up to play himself on to a new team obviously not happening... Pretty disappointed, always liked the guy before he started being all like:

I think Green genuinely thought he had a shot to have a great season in Boston with a healthy Rondo and get a new deal. Guys don't want to get traded from a city and franchise like Boston even when the team is struggling. While we talk all the time about Boston isn't LA or NY it also isn't Milwaukee or Salt Lake City. I think Jeff made the mistake of believing what Danny and Brad were selling and now his agent is blowing up his phone asking how he feels about living in Texas or Portland or wherever. I think Jeff's a real dude who struggles with the fact that the NBA is a business.

This line of thinking was what made me think one of the trade partners is somewhere like Detroit.

Other part of it is that once traded, that new team has your Bird Rights. So if you are a player and had a short list of desired locations, if you are traded elsewhere your level of raises and length of deal has just been cut down in those spots if you get traded to timbuktoo. So instead of getting the money and location you want, you know you're only getting one of the two at best, and maybe neither.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How does this explain his utter lack of effort? Or lets elate this reasoning to common folks like us.

I'm in sales, and I have a quota to hit every quarter/year. If I feel that I'm in danger of missing my numbers I worker harder, not just go through the motions, because if for whatever reason I miss that number I hope they saw enough in my work ethic to want to keep me around.

Jeff Green hasn't done anything post-Rondo to make Danny want to keep him around. At this point, I bet that DA is hoping he opts out.

How about step up your play and be a leader with Rondo gone? If playing balls to wall for a potential huge contract isn't enough to motivate Jeff Green, what is?

I understand he's a real person, and the business side can be emotionally draining. But you learn a lot about someone's character when their back is up against the wall.

Green's got more job security than you do. Worst case is that he takes his 9 million dollar option next year. He's still a vet minimum guy at worst, or he can go to China and be adored like Stephon Marbury. Sales is like being in the NFL with a non-guaranteed contract- the NBA, you're more like a teacher with tenure.

[mwhis21]

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How does this explain his utter lack of effort? Or lets elate this reasoning to common folks like us.

I'm in sales, and I have a quota to hit every quarter/year. If I feel that I'm in danger of missing my numbers I worker harder, not just go through the motions, because if for whatever reason I miss that number I hope they saw enough in my work ethic to want to keep me around.

Jeff Green hasn't done anything post-Rondo to make Danny want to keep him around. At this point, I bet that DA is hoping he opts out.

How about step up your play and be a leader with Rondo gone? If playing balls to wall for a potential huge contract isn't enough to motivate Jeff Green, what is?

I understand he's a real person, and the business side can be emotionally draining. But you learn a lot about someone's character when their back is up against the wall.

Green's got more job security than you do. Worst case is that he takes his 9 million dollar option next year. He's still a vet minimum guy at worst, or he can go to China and be adored like Stephon Marbury. Sales is like being in the NFL with a non-guaranteed contract- the NBA, you're more like a teacher with tenure.

Exactly. That's why I'm not buying the sympathy, poor Jeff, he's human, the NBA is a business bull.

If playing for the opportunity to secure a longer, as lucrative or more lucrative deal isn't motivating enough for him, then why do we want him?

He's doing the opposite of what you'd expect a regular Joe like us, and in this day and age, athletes, to do when there's an opportunity to secure a huge pay day w/ additional GUARANTEED years.

It actually makes me think he's complacent and indifferent on whether he gets a 12mil per year deal or an 7mill per year deal. Because regardless it's going to be millions. And that's not an attitude I want on my team.

Just my thoughts on it.

[Captain_Caveman]

I am starting to wonder how much luck the Celtics will actually have trading Green. He is going to opt out and if teams really want to go after him they can in free agency. Not sure they want to give up picks and players for a 4 month rental.

This has been the case all year with Rondo, Green and Bass.

They make too much money for most contenders to absorb, and are huge flight risks at season's end.

[UGA Hayes]

Screw Jeff green. I'm sorry he is practically one of the few players in the league that teams have been,despite no good reason quite loyal to, way beyond what is called for. Man up and earn your contract.

[sully00]

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. How does this explain his utter lack of effort? Or lets elate this reasoning to common folks like us.

I'm in sales, and I have a quota to hit every quarter/year. If I feel that I'm in danger of missing my numbers I worker harder, not just go through the motions, because if for whatever reason I miss that number I hope they saw enough in my work ethic to want to keep me around.

Jeff Green hasn't done anything post-Rondo to make Danny want to keep him around. At this point, I bet that DA is hoping he opts out.

How about step up your play and be a leader with Rondo gone? If playing balls to wall for a potential huge contract isn't enough to motivate Jeff Green, what is?

I understand he's a real person, and the business side can be emotionally draining. But you learn a lot about someone's character when their back is up against the wall.

Green's got more job security than you do. Worst case is that he takes his 9 million dollar option next year. He's still a vet minimum guy at worst, or he can go to China and be adored like Stephon Marbury. Sales is like being in the NFL with a non-guaranteed contract- the NBA, you're more like a teacher with tenure.

Exactly. That's why I'm not buying the sympathy, poor Jeff, he's human, the NBA is a business bull.

If playing for the opportunity to secure a longer, as lucrative or more lucrative deal isn't motivating enough for him, then why do we want him?

He's doing the opposite of what you'd expect a regular Joe like us, and in this day and age, athletes, to do when there's an opportunity to secure a huge pay day w/ additional GUARANTEED years.

It actually makes me think he's complacent and indifferent on whether he gets a 12mil per year deal or an 7mill per year deal. Because regardless it's going to be millions. And that's not an attitude I want on my team.

Just my thoughts on it.

I think your missing the point all together. Basically what Boston is asking Green to do is to work his ass off so they can fire him. It is like your boss coming to you saying I want to have your best quarter ever so I can sell this **** company and you can get laid off.

This isn't a situation where Ainge is committing to Jeff for the rest of the season, he basically committed to him through the holidays. He isn't trying to trade Jeff to the best situation for Jeff he is trying to trade him for the best return for the Celtics.

This is Ainge's mess and he has probably sealed Brad Stevens fate as a coach.

[Andrew McCeltic]

He's sealed Stevens' fate as a coach? Come on, that's hyperbole.. And my point was that Green's got too much job security to sweat much- salespeople sweat for a living with all the quotas and pressure..

My theory about Green: he's either being traded for someone who can't be traded yet (Jordan Hill's the only guy I can find with a Bradley-like restriction), or he's being packaged with someone on the Celtics who can't be traded yet (Bradley, Wright). And he knows about it.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We know the Lakers offered Jordan Hill for Green/Rondo.. Hill has a team option next year, Green a player option, their salaries are comparable. Not sure the incentive for LA, but for us it rearranges the roster nicely. Could also be a three-team deal- Green to LA, Hill to PHO, IT to BOS.

[sully00]

He's sealed Stevens' fate as a coach? Come on, that's hyperbole.. And my point was that Green's got too much job security to sweat much- salespeople sweat for a living with all the quotas and pressure..

My theory about Green: he's either being traded for someone who can't be traded yet (Jordan Hill's the only guy I can find with a Bradley-like restriction), or he's being packaged with someone on the Celtics who can't be traded yet (Bradley, Wright). And he knows about it.

Feel free to come back with the long list of head coaches that have survived the start to their coaching career that Brad Stevens is staring at right now. I am not saying they are going to fire him just that no players are ever going to take him seriously and at some point they have to have plans on trying to win games again.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Scott Brooks is one. He seems like the model for Stevens- get a young guy, groom him- they even have the same talking points about the 'process.'

[Andrew McCeltic]

You don't take the best coach in college basketball and give him a six-year contract if you think players won't take him seriously.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think the bigger risk is that Stevens coaches the team through its development and then gets axed for someone like Rick Carlisle or Lionel Hollins, an x's and o's taskmaster. But that would be Ainge's call, and honestly I think Stevens will grow along with the roster and have the ability to coach a contender by then.

[sully00]

Scott Brooks is one. He seems like the model for Stevens- get a young guy, groom him- they even have the same talking points about the 'process.'

No he isn't he went 22-47 as an interim head coach (after a 1-12 start) and then won 50 games in his first full season. PJ Carlesimo was the coach that was hired to be fired while the Sonics/Thunder reloaded. I am not joking about this history says Brad Stevens is screwed.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Scott Brooks is one. He seems like the model for Stevens- get a young guy, groom him- they even have the same talking points about the 'process.'

No he isn't he went 22-47 as an interim head coach (after a 1-12 start) and then won 50 games in his first full season. PJ Carlesimo was the coach that was hired to be fired while the Sonics/Thunder reloaded. I am not joking about this history says Brad Stevens is screwed.

Huh, forgot they started that rebuild with Carlesimo.. Mike Woodson brought the Hawks along with Smith, Williams, etc..

Anyway, it's only Stevens' second season- they'll be competitive next year barring a huge mistake. He's doing an excellent job developing guys, there's no story here. Tonight was a huge test, IMO- he got great effort out of a slumping, bickering team and re-asserted his authority with an unexpected practice and by snubbing the two least powerful guys on the team with nights off.

Who was the guy the Bulls had though, Tim Floyd? How many years was his contract?

[sully00]

Scott Brooks is one. He seems like the model for Stevens- get a young guy, groom him- they even have the same talking points about the 'process.'

No he isn't he went 22-47 as an interim head coach (after a 1-12 start) and then won 50 games in his first full season. PJ Carlesimo was the coach that was hired to be fired while the Sonics/Thunder reloaded. I am not joking about this history says Brad Stevens is screwed.

Huh, forgot they started that rebuild with Carlesimo.. Mike Woodson brought the Hawks along with Smith, Williams, etc..

Anyway, it's only Stevens' second season- they'll be competitive next year barring a huge mistake. He's doing an excellent job developing guys, there's no story here. Tonight was a huge test, IMO- he got great effort out of a slumping, bickering team and re-asserted his authority with an unexpected practice and by snubbing the two least powerful guys on the team with nights off.

Who was the guy the Bulls had though, Tim Floyd? How many years was his contract?

Floyd survived for 3 1/2 terrible seasons before resigning he had a 5 year deal. I am not being critical of Stevens he is just screwed much like Floyd was. How exactly are they going to be competitive next year if they trade away all of their good veteran players? They are going to be worse.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Tim Floyd got five years.. Mike Montgomery got four. Both guys were a decade or more older than Stevens- but Brad is the highest profile college coach to make the leap since Pitino and Calipari..

Floyd and Montgomery had some awful GMs.. Stevens picked Boston, too- he had other opportunities..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Floyd survived for 3 1/2 terrible seasons before resigning he had a 5 year deal. I am not being critical of Stevens he is just screwed much like Floyd was. How exactly are they going to be competitive next year if they trade away all of their good veteran players? They are going to be worse.

Who's left to trade away? Green's the only impact vet on this team right now. As long as they don't whiff in the lottery and do a Villanueva/Gordon free agent binge, the rebuild will be done in August. It'll just be seasoning after that.

The Smart/Young draft was clearly the best since 2004. They get another future star at the 3 (Oubre? Johnson?) or the 5 (Okafor, Towns, WCS) and sign one or two impact free agents and they're done.