Ariza On The Verge Of Breaking Record For Most Games In A Row Shooting Under 50%

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Re: Ariza On The Verge Of Breaking Record For Most Games In A Row Shooting Under 0.500 

Post#21 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:19 pm

Kevin Johnson wrote:Where are all the clowns claiming he is better than Chandler Parsons? He had an outlier 3PT shooting year last year and clowns were claiming he was a better 3Pt shooter than Parsons.


I disagree. I think Ariza would be shooting much better had he stayed on the Wizards. What seems to be the issue is that Houston's offense is set up to take a ton of three whether good or bad attempts and he doesn't have anything close to the distributor he had in Wall. Ariza for the most part played within the offense last year, he took open shots and was a reliable defender. It seems that once again in Houston, they've set him up to be a player he's not. I also think their asking him to play too many minutes. 37 mpg seems like a lot of minutes for him.
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Post#22 » by DaddyCool19 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:23 pm

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barelyawake wrote:It really is the John Wall effect. Players ought to observe how Wall inflates the stats of those around him, and want to play with him. And Washington management would do well not to overrate the players that they have, without considering: A) Wall is inflating their stats and B) What actual stars would accomplish recieving those passes.


Agreed. Wall assisted on 109 corner threes last season, 53 of which (48.6%) were to Ariza. The next highest corner 3 duo was Dragic/Tucker with 33. I'll be interested to see what Rasaul Butler's corner 3 numbers look like at the end of this season.


44,4% of his three point attempts are from the corner and he nails 54,2% of those. Thats like 15% higher than his career shooting % from the corner three. Looks like the John Wall effect
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Post#23 » by rmfc » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:26 pm

Ariza is a contract year specialist.
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Post#24 » by Albanian Damien » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:26 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm unmoved by this revelation.

FG% as a stat become useless the day the 3-point line was introduced. Ariza shoots a poor FG% because his role in the offense is to shoot 3's almost exclusively. He's been a pretty bad 3-point shooter, but his overall efficiency has NOT been historically bad. In that stretch of 27 games cited in the OP, Ariza actually broke a .500 eFG% 5 times, including his most recent game.

His eFG% over that stretch of 27 games is .410. That would rank as the 5th worst this year among players with 500 or more minutes, better than MCW, Payton, Stephenson and DeRozan. Heck, the great Kobe Bryant has an eFG% of .411 this year. (And note, I'm just using the 27-game stretch to make Ariza look worse. If you use the entire season, Ariza's eFG% is .451, better than 35 other regular rotation players including guys like Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Deon Waiters, Vince Carter, Alec Burks and CJ Miles.)

:nod: Pretty much this. Ariza know's his role and he's been playing it pretty well. He's just been in a shooting slump. He has to take every open 3 that the defense give's him to keep them honest. That way Dwight and Harden can operate. In fact looking at his FGA he takes 12 per game at a clip of 35.5% (about 4.5 FGM). That is really bad but not nearly as bad when you divide it up amongst 3's and 2's. Trevor attempts about 7.5 3FG per game and hits them at a lowly 31.2% (about 2.5 makes per game). That mean he only attempts about 4.5 2FGs per game and makes about 2 of them per game. That's not bad at all. His 3 point shooting has certainly been in a slump which why it seems like he's struggling really hard. He's had games of of 2/8, 1/9. 1/8, 1/7, 1/4, 0/4 from 3 in the last 27 games. But the Rockets and Ariza should be fine as long as he can hover around 33% from 3 if not stay above it.
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Post#25 » by Biddy77 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:30 pm

Ouch, Ariza.

I suppose this may age me a bit, but shooting futility discussions remind me of Jaque Vaughn's slump with NJ, and the train of thought goes from there to when he threw a beautiful no look pass in the McDonald's high school all america game... right to a ref who was standing near the scorer's table.
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Post#26 » by DynastySS » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:36 pm

uncledrew wrote:Ariza had a terrible field goal percentage...What a shape of stats radar chart!! let's compare with Kobe Bryant below:
Kobe Bryant's FG% is lower than Ariza...so...there is no Kobe in the table...Why!?...
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Post#27 » by MaxRider » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:40 pm

so to beat the rockets
you basically leave ariza wide open to shoot the 3
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Post#28 » by kodo » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:04 pm

He started out extremely hot from three this season too...what a roller coaster.
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Post#29 » by kodo » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:04 pm

He started out extremely hot from three this season too...what a roller coaster.

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Post#30 » by roldy » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:05 pm

I am amazed by the fact that Kobe is not on this list.
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Post#31 » by fancynapkin » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:12 pm

I loved Burke at Michigan, but the dude will not be in the NBA for very long.
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Post#32 » by niQ » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:18 pm

If it's any consolation, he started off the season on FIRE. Check his first 5 games.
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Post#33 » by gmoney411 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:25 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Kevin Johnson wrote:Where are all the clowns claiming he is better than Chandler Parsons? He had an outlier 3PT shooting year last year and clowns were claiming he was a better 3Pt shooter than Parsons.


I disagree. I think Ariza would be shooting much better had he stayed on the Wizards. What seems to be the issue is that Houston's offense is set up to take a ton of three whether good or bad attempts and he doesn't have anything close to the distributor he had in Wall. Ariza for the most part played within the offense last year, he took open shots and was a reliable defender. It seems that once again in Houston, they've set him up to be a player he's not. I also think their asking him to play too many minutes. 37 mpg seems like a lot of minutes for him.


James Harden is great at creating shots for others. He might not be as good as Wall but it's a stretch to say that he isn't close to Wall. One of the biggest problems is that the Rockets don't emphasize 3 point shot selection. Ariza is jacking up a lot more this year than he was in Washington. Ariza averaged almost 9 3s a game last month. Even Wall couldn't get him that many quality looks from the long distance.

And Beal should also get some love. If you are choosing between leaving Beal or Ariza you are picking Ariza 9 times out of 10.
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Post#34 » by Edrees » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:48 pm

roldy wrote:I am amazed by the fact that Kobe is not on this list.


Kobe has games where he shoots extremely high percentage. Once he's on fire, he doesn't miss.
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Post#35 » by Freefloater » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:49 pm

LOL Ariza
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Post#36 » by bigben998 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:50 pm

He will be fine. Most Houstonians would rather have him than Parsons contract still. Parsons has not exactly been torching it up in D-town for the price he is paid. Everyone is happy where they are and that is what matters.
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Post#37 » by BBgun » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:51 pm

I'm not gonna lie, I had NO clue his numbers were this bad. Hadn't really looked at his stats too closely, I just remember he was killing it earlier this year then fell off. But he's been historically bad from the field. It would be mitigated if he were at least shooting well from behind the arc but he's been terrible from there as well. He's a textbook case of a contract year player.
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Post#38 » by Freefloater » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:52 pm

gmoney411 wrote: One of the biggest problems is that the Rockets don't emphasize 3 point shot selection.


spot on...they play low iq basketball .. instead throwing it down to D-Mo whose extremely skillful and efficient they force ariza to lay so many bricks from not so good 3pt looks...(perhaps tanking to avoid OKC or spurs in 1st round?)
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Post#39 » by Freefloater » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:06 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'm unmoved by this revelation.

FG% as a stat become useless the day the 3-point line was introduced. Ariza shoots a poor FG% because his role in the offense is to shoot 3's almost exclusively. He's been a pretty bad 3-point shooter, but his overall efficiency has NOT been historically bad. In that stretch of 27 games cited in the OP, Ariza actually broke a .500 eFG% 5 times, including his most recent game.

His eFG% over that stretch of 27 games is .410. That would rank as the 5th worst this year among players with 500 or more minutes, better than MCW, Payton, Stephenson and DeRozan. Heck, the great Kobe Bryant has an eFG% of .411 this year. (And note, I'm just using the 27-game stretch to make Ariza look worse. If you use the entire season, Ariza's eFG% is .451, better than 35 other regular rotation players including guys like Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Deon Waiters, Vince Carter, Alec Burks and CJ Miles.)

:nod: Pretty much this. Ariza know's his role and he's been playing it pretty well. He's just been in a shooting slump. He has to take every open 3 that the defense give's him to keep them honest. That way Dwight and Harden can operate. In fact looking at his FGA he takes 12 per game at a clip of 35.5% (about 4.5 FGM). That is really bad but not nearly as bad when you divide it up amongst 3's and 2's. Trevor attempts about 7.5 3FG per game and hits them at a lowly 31.2% (about 2.5 makes per game). That mean he only attempts about 4.5 2FGs per game and makes about 2 of them per game. That's not bad at all. His 3 point shooting has certainly been in a slump which why it seems like he's struggling really hard. He's had games of of 2/8, 1/9. 1/8, 1/7, 1/4, 0/4 from 3 in the last 27 games. But the Rockets and Ariza should be fine as long as he can hover around 33% from 3 if not stay above it.


hes not taking only open 3s ...far from it... more than 50% of his attempts were just bad shots which perhaps only lillard curry or corver could take without being labeled bad shots and out of rhytm...when you are in 26 game slump (if that can be called a slump at all) you dont even take open shots... you share the ball otherwise you destroy everything great you did on defense...i believe its on coaching (tanking perhaps)

The one thing you missed is to count is how many times he kiled momentum with his unconscious laybrickin, the fact is that momentum in games is a real thing, while not tangible itself, you can tangibly see the effect it has when teams are on runs and how it can dramatically effect the outcome of games when you can't generate any momentum or you kill your momentum just when it started....
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Post#40 » by millslapper » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:09 pm

Why am i not surprised, that Burke is top7 in this stat?

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