Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[KJandHondo35]

I know Green *can* opt out but I think it is highly unlikely unless his agent is just an idiot, and I don't believe that is the case. All indications are the cap is going to jump the most next season, or at least more than this season. More cap space means bigger contracts, why would he opt out when he can just play out the deal and likely make 3M+ more per season. It's a risk betting that he won’t get hurt but unless he has another aliment he's protecting himself from, becoming a FA in 2016 makes the most sense.

[165bows]

My guess is they are trying to get Deng, but Miami may not want to move him. Heat would have a tough time replacing him next year so if they want to maintain any competitiveness this year or next best option is keep him.

Other thing with Deng (maybe Smitty or SMT or someone can weigh in on this) is that Memphis would be limited in how much they could re-sign him for if he opts out since they wouldn't have his Bird Rights (since he just signed in MIA as a FA). With Green they would have rights.

So who knows.

Deng's got a 15% trade kicker as well. Although Miami would pay that bonus to Deng, it would technically count against Memphis' team salary. Memphis is ~1.14mil from the tax line, so, if they wanted to stay below it, they'd need to send out at least ~10.03mil to get Deng. I.E. a 3-for-1, or Miami would have to be willing to eat Carter or Pondexter.

Though, maybe Memphis doesn't care about staying below the tax at that point. That's a good team.


With regards to Bird Rights, this is just assumption, but I have to imagine Early Bird rights would be sufficient in Deng's case. Early Bird allows you to resign a player for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (~10.15mil in 2015/2016 * 1.75 = ~17.76), with the 7.5% raises, up to 4 years. He'll be 31 by the start of the 2016/2017 season. I don't know if much more than that will be in the cards at that point.

Of course, if the cap blows up as much in 2016/2017 as some are predicting (87mil+), then a full 35% max pushes 30mil in the 1st year. Not that Deng would command that, but there's a lot of ground between 17.75mil and 30mil (and even more between something like 4/80 and 4/130).

Edit: Ooh. I didn't see the player option for 2015/2016. Yeah, if he opts out, you're at strictly Non-Bird. 120% of his previous salary. I.E. bye-bye Luol.

Cool, thanks for the recap. 120% might get it done, couldn't remember if it was only 5% or what. IMO the trade kicker might be a bigger problem, I think teams get kicked out of revenue sharing if they go into the tax IIRC.

[HeartBreakKid]

On another site I saw a Wiz fan throw out the idea of an Otto + Webster package for Green. Not up on my Otto Porter Jr stuff but getting a 21-year old former #3 overall pick at least sounds interesting in theory.

Otto Porter is not a good player, and his ceiling is tiny.

[12buckets]

I think Memphis is more likely to trade Jordan Adams than a future pick, especially one so far down the line when both Gasol and Z-Bo are in their mid thirties. reminds me of the Otis Smith for a future draft pick that ended up being #2, and wasted on Darko. Memphis was the team that traded that future pick too.

[sully00]

Exactly. That's why I'm not buying the sympathy, poor Jeff, he's human, the NBA is a business bull.

If playing for the opportunity to secure a longer, as lucrative or more lucrative deal isn't motivating enough for him, then why do we want him?

He's doing the opposite of what you'd expect a regular Joe like us, and in this day and age, athletes, to do when there's an opportunity to secure a huge pay day w/ additional GUARANTEED years.

It actually makes me think he's complacent and indifferent on whether he gets a 12mil per year deal or an 7mill per year deal. Because regardless it's going to be millions. And that's not an attitude I want on my team.

Just my thoughts on it.

I think your missing the point all together. Basically what Boston is asking Green to do is to work his ass off so they can fire him. It is like your boss coming to you saying I want to have your best quarter ever so I can sell this **** company and you can get laid off.

This isn't a situation where Ainge is committing to Jeff for the rest of the season, he basically committed to him through the holidays. He isn't trying to trade Jeff to the best situation for Jeff he is trying to trade him for the best return for the Celtics.

This is Ainge's mess and he has probably sealed Brad Stevens fate as a coach.

Yeah but Green is not really getting fired. To me it's more like “Yeah we are going move you to a different department, you may not like where you’re going but its only for 3 or 4 months and you will be getting your full salary. If you like it there you can stay for another year and keep getting paid. If you don’t you can leave and there are several departments that will be interested in you.”

It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?

[sully00]

I know Green *can* opt out but I think it is highly unlikely unless his agent is just an idiot, and I don't believe that is the case. All indications are the cap is going to jump the most next season, or at least more than this season. More cap space means bigger contracts, why would he opt out when he can just play out the deal and likely make 3M+ more per season. It's a risk betting that he won’t get hurt but unless he has another aliment he's protecting himself from, becoming a FA in 2016 makes the most sense.

Not anymore assuming Green can get his shooting percentages back to what he has done over his career then he would be one of the top FA available. Rondo is not likely to leave DAL, Gasol is not going to leave Memphis, James and Love are likely to stay in CLE. Monroe may even stay in DET now. Going to be a lot of teams who are going to through a lot of pain to get under the cap for this off season they are going to want to spend that money. If it is even close they always opt out.

[Banks2Pierce]

I know Green *can* opt out but I think it is highly unlikely unless his agent is just an idiot, and I don't believe that is the case.

I see the logic in that scenario, but calling his agent an idiot? No way. He'll be looking at a floor of 4/48. He can also play the 2016/17 FA angle by looking for a 2/25 type of deal with an opt out after year 1 and he just made an additional $3m in 2015/16 and banked an extra $12m on top of that as injury insurance. He should opt out.

[GregB]

I really want a deal done in the next 24-48 hrs. This roster needs some consolidation. I like green but he has no place on the future of this team. Get some value for him and call it a day.

I'm interested who leaves with green. I know everyone is talking about bass. But do we have a chance to move Thornton or turner? Do we want to?

I'm sad that Cleveland didn't prefer koufos over mozgov. Looks like we would have made out very well in that deal.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I think your missing the point all together. Basically what Boston is asking Green to do is to work his ass off so they can fire him. It is like your boss coming to you saying I want to have your best quarter ever so I can sell this **** company and you can get laid off.

This isn't a situation where Ainge is committing to Jeff for the rest of the season, he basically committed to him through the holidays. He isn't trying to trade Jeff to the best situation for Jeff he is trying to trade him for the best return for the Celtics.

This is Ainge's mess and he has probably sealed Brad Stevens fate as a coach.

Yeah but Green is not really getting fired. To me it's more like “Yeah we are going move you to a different department, you may not like where you’re going but its only for 3 or 4 months and you will be getting your full salary. If you like it there you can stay for another year and keep getting paid. If you don’t you can leave and there are several departments that will be interested in you.”

It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?

I would be perfectly fine knowing I am getting paid 9M and it would only be for a few months. I mean I could see this effecting him if say the NBA was like the NFL and they could release him and not be on the hook to pay his contract.

At the end of the day Green makes 9M a year to run up and down a court and put a ball in a hoop. I don't just don't see why in the world he would be upset about possibly being traded from a team he quite frankly does not seem to want to play for.

[sully00]

Floyd survived for 3 1/2 terrible seasons before resigning he had a 5 year deal. I am not being critical of Stevens he is just screwed much like Floyd was. How exactly are they going to be competitive next year if they trade away all of their good veteran players? They are going to be worse.

Who's left to trade away? Green's the only impact vet on this team right now. As long as they don't whiff in the lottery and do a Villanueva/Gordon free agent binge, the rebuild will be done in August. It'll just be seasoning after that.

The Smart/Young draft was clearly the best since 2004. They get another future star at the 3 (Oubre? Johnson?) or the 5 (Okafor, Towns, WCS) and sign one or two impact free agents and they're done.

I don't have a problem with the picks, I like the players but James Young can't even stay in a jersey yet and people think he is going to score 20ppg in the NBA next year? This team is competitive right now because of Green, Thornton, Sullinger, Turner, and Bass. If you move those guys and replace them with draft picks you are the Sixers. Adding more rookies is not going to win you more games. If you have no veteran stars to play with then nobody worth a damn is taking your FA money. That is why you are hearing the Indiana University rumors because the writing is on the wall.

I am not really being critical here I don't know what Ainge's options really were. Does anyone really want Brandon Bass at 7 mil even for free? I am just saying that half stepping like he has will likely mean Steven's fails as a head coach. There is no reason for it to take 3 years to bottom out into a 15-20 win team. I guess you could go with the idea that there will only be a 2 or 3 guys left from this team in 2 years so it will be like starting over again.

[BakersDozen]

If they don't have a future with the team they need to be gone as far as Im concerned. Bye bye Green,Bass,Thornton,Nelson,Wright . Wouldn't be heartbroken if Sully was dealt either but it better be for more then a pick.

[Joel Embust]

Get Jordan Adams. That dude can score and defend as well.

Smart/Adams/Young would be a fun trio.

[sully00]

Yeah but Green is not really getting fired. To me it's more like “Yeah we are going move you to a different department, you may not like where you’re going but its only for 3 or 4 months and you will be getting your full salary. If you like it there you can stay for another year and keep getting paid. If you don’t you can leave and there are several departments that will be interested in you.”

It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?

I would be perfectly fine knowing I am getting paid 9M and it would only be for a few months. I mean I could see this effecting him if say the NBA was like the NFL and they could release him and not be on the hook to pay his contract.

At the end of the day Green makes 9M a year to run up and down a court and put a ball in a hoop. I don't just don't see why in the world he would be upset about possibly being traded from a team he quite frankly does not seem to want to play for.

No I think that is what you and others are missing I think Green very much wanted to play here. He will probably be fine once he is traded and knows where that is. What people seem to want to ignore is that the situation is that the team is trying to trade him and they won't just do it already they are dragging it out. He didn't ask for a trade he didn't say he was opting out at the end of the year to see what his options where. The team traded Rondo and leaked to the media that he and Bass where next. It isn't getting the attention but Bass' production has been cut in half since the Rondo trade.

There is a reason you try not to let this stuff get out the way this has, this is why.

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2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

If this is the pick we're "getting" don't expect it anytime soon. Don't understand the weird mid to late 1st protections on it. Or When they can trade another one...looks like we might get it in 2017, but if it hasn't been conveyed to Denver by then we get in 2018.

Wonder if it will be protected too.

[darrendaye]

If this is the pick we're "getting" don't expect it anytime soon. Don't understand the weird mid to late 1st protections on it. Or When they can trade another one...looks like we might get it in 2017, but if it hasn't been conveyed to Denver by then we get in 2018.

Wonder if it will be protected too.

Honestly, this is another reason I actually DO want the pick. I believe there are limitations on how far out you can trade a pick (I seem to recall something like 2020 or 2021 now perhaps). If I am correct on this, it makes adding protection less likely considering the protection on the one Denver now holds.

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Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt · 1h 1 hour ago

Celtics have a logjam of bigs (Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger, Bass, Wright) that Danny Ainge is trying to free up, too.

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt · 1h 1 hour ago

Grizzlies have long been interested in Celtics forward Jeff Green, but Danny Ainge has a high asking price, I've been told.

[bbd24]

I think Adams + Prince for Green is a win move for Ainge. Still, I'd wait it out til Feb 17th and try and snag one of his buddy's (Ryan McDonough) guards from Phoenix. They have a log jam there, and we can use one of them to upgrade our guard corps, more so than Adams would IMO.

Ainge has the ammo. Use any of the following: Green, Bass, Wright, & any picks needed if necessary.

[sully00]

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

If this is the pick we're "getting" don't expect it anytime soon. Don't understand the weird mid to late 1st protections on it. Or When they can trade another one...looks like we might get it in 2017, but if it hasn't been conveyed to Denver by then we get in 2018.

Wonder if it will be protected too.

Without a crazy change in Memphis' fortunes you can't get a first from them until '19 a year after they convey the pick to DEN.

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Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt · 1h 1 hour ago

Celtics have a logjam of bigs (Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger, Bass, Wright) that Danny Ainge is trying to free up, too.

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt · 1h 1 hour ago

Grizzlies have long been interested in Celtics forward Jeff Green, but Danny Ainge has a high asking price, I've been told.

Edit - Zillgitt is a DC area guy, speculated earlier he is a good bet to have Green's agent David Falk as a source.

[Fencer reregistered]

Do you know that as a fact or are you speculating? I don't mean to question your knowledge... just wondering...

It's pretty well-known. The rule is that they can't trade picks that fall two years in a row, subject to whatever exceptions there are that I couldn't reliably state. So if they trade two different future contingent picks, with the contingencies being such that the picks can't possibly fall in consecutive years, they've obeyed the rule.

Coon's FAQ speaks generally on this point.

If a team trades two future first round picks and the first pick is protected, then the first pick would be conveyed in the first draft in which it is not a protected pick (as described above), and the second pick would be conveyed in the first allowable draft (per the Stepien rule) in which that pick is not protected (i.e., two years after the first pick). But since both picks must be conveyed within seven years, the protection on the first pick cannot last longer than four years (i.e., the first pick must be conveyed by the fifth year). A team can have no more than one trade with such a waiting period in effect at any time.

Though Fencer is right that it happens all the time. There's, by my count, one instance of it happening currently: The Lakers owe a "2017" 1st round pick to Orlando, "if at least two years" after the pick they owe Phoenix. (See RealGM's own traded pick tracker).

Thanks for the specifics!