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Should the Magic fire JV now?

Yes, nothing has changed fire his arse.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#381 » by claudio-br » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:52 pm

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claudio-br wrote:Bill Simmons: Orlando should make the playoffs, but Jacque Vaughn is gonna ruin it (Around the 25 minute mark)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYQK3VAUN9Y[/youtube]

the big question here is: do we need to make the playoffs this season? i don't think that's what management expects for this season

You make it sound like overachieving is a bad thing. If the team is good enough to make the playoffs, they should. I know we have the talent to do so but coaching is clearly holding us back.


calm down, just because Bill Simmons (of all people) said that, it doesn't mean that this is a playoff team, plus he only said that because the Eastern Conference is very bad right now.

and i did not say that coaching wasn't holding the team back (record wise, at least), but, before the season, the expectations on this team weren't really high on this team (except for homers).

therefore, it's better to wait until the offseason to hire a new coach, imo. on the offseason, management will have time to interview prospects and have enough time to make a decision
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#382 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:53 pm

FFBlitzace wrote:I want to talk about Maurice Harkless. I know he's not very popular on this board right now, but let's be fair for a minute. He started the year out of the rotation. When JV finally put him in there, he played pretty well, I thought. He was active on the glass, he was running the floor, etc. Wasn't shooting the 3 well, but he was doing everything else well and making a visible impact. But instead of being rewarded with a consistent spot in the rotation, even in limited minutes, he was once again buried on the bench. In his appearances since then, he hasn't been good.

Let's rewind to the beginning of last season. Andrew Nicholson came out very strong. His rebounding and defense were both visibly and quantifiably improved, and he even added a 3pt shot. But then, in the blink of an eye, he was buried on the bench for no apparent reason (I'm lying. Glen Davis is too large a man to not be apparent.). And in his very sporadic appearances over the remainder of the season, he wasn't good.

Why has history basically repeated itself here? The knock on Harkless is his lack of energy and aggressiveness, but I feel like he was playing with good energy early on. So why was he benched while Willie Green played backup SF for several weeks? Playing it extremely badly, I might add. And now, despite JV being quoted as saying that he "still believes in Moe's abilities, and Moe knows that," the situation has culminated in Harkless being deactivated for rookie Devyn Marble. Sure, it's Moe's job to remain professional and not let that impact his approach to the game. That's totally valid. But he shouldn't have been benched like that to begin with. That's horrible mismanagement by JV, and horrible awareness of the type of personalities he's coaching. That's not some form of next-level psychology designed to motivate Harkless. If it is, it's woefully incorrect. Harkless has shown a fragility in his confidence level, and moves like that aren't likely to yield positive results with him. Maybe it worked once or twice, on a much smaller scale, in the past. But if it ever did truly work, the well has run dry on that strategy. Besides, he was playing well. But instead of solidifying that and building on it, JV literally crushed it in the palm of his hand. Much like Nicholson last season.

But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)

You know what I think? I've been citing Occam's Razor in regards to JV for 3 years now. I don't think we should attempt finding some kind of deep meaning behind his seemingly incomprehensible logic. Because I don't think such a thing exists. The simple answer is, he has no idea what he's doing. He mismanaged Nicholson. He mismanaged Harkless (both of which were first round picks, by the way. Hardly throwaway assets you don't care about.). He has no semblance of a system on offense. Our defense isn't as good as it probably should be. There's no identity. Every night is a crapshoot, nothing is consistent. I take that back. The one thing we can count on every night is being able to scratch our head at his decisions.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that he had been, and would be, a great assistant coach. Players would almost certainly like him and enjoy working with him in that role. But he is not an NBA head coach.



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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#383 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:15 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:
claudio-br wrote:Bill Simmons: Orlando should make the playoffs, but Jacque Vaughn is gonna ruin it (Around the 25 minute mark)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYQK3VAUN9Y[/youtube]

the big question here is: do we need to make the playoffs this season? i don't think that's what management expects for this season

You make it sound like overachieving is a bad thing. If the team is good enough to make the playoffs, they should. I know we have the talent to do so but coaching is clearly holding us back.


calm down, just because Bill Simmons (of all people) said that, it doesn't mean that this is a playoff team, plus he only said that because the Eastern Conference is very bad right now.

and i did not say that coaching wasn't holding the team back (record wise, at least), but, before the season, the expectations on this team weren't really high on this team (except for homers).

therefore, it's better to wait until the offseason to hire a new coach, imo. on the offseason, management will have time to interview prospects and have enough time to make a decision

I never had any expectations for this team to make the playoffs this season. I was expecting a minimum of 30 wins at worst and 35 at best. Expectations can change during a season. From what I've seen this year, there have been plenty of wins this season that we have squandered and despite those wins thrown away by our abysmal coach, we were only 3 games out of the 8 spot before last nights game. Simmons is not wrong here.

The door to the playoffs has been open this year, but JV has been pulling the handle on a push only entrance. I don't care what your philosophy is on the timing of firing a coach is, but when your coach is the worst in the league by a mile and costing you many winnable games with his incompetence, there is nothing to lose by cutting him loose. If you had a cancerous growth, would there be any reason for you to wait to remove it?
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#384 » by 407Junkie » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:20 pm

Nah lets just keep Vaughn until we have all lottery picks holding down every roster spot. Then he might be able to get the 8th seed with that roster.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#385 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:27 pm

407Junkie wrote:Nah lets just keep Vaughn until we have all lottery picks holding down every roster spot. Then he might be able to get the 8th seed with that roster.

He couldn't coach a team made up with the All NBA first, second and third teams to the playoffs. :nonono:
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#386 » by magicman123 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:34 pm

FFBlitzace wrote:I want to talk about Maurice Harkless. I know he's not very popular on this board right now, but let's be fair for a minute. He started the year out of the rotation. When JV finally put him in there, he played pretty well, I thought. He was active on the glass, he was running the floor, etc. Wasn't shooting the 3 well, but he was doing everything else well and making a visible impact. But instead of being rewarded with a consistent spot in the rotation, even in limited minutes, he was once again buried on the bench. In his appearances since then, he hasn't been good.

Let's rewind to the beginning of last season. Andrew Nicholson came out very strong. His rebounding and defense were both visibly and quantifiably improved, and he even added a 3pt shot. But then, in the blink of an eye, he was buried on the bench for no apparent reason (I'm lying. Glen Davis is too large a man to not be apparent.). And in his very sporadic appearances over the remainder of the season, he wasn't good.

Why has history basically repeated itself here? The knock on Harkless is his lack of energy and aggressiveness, but I feel like he was playing with good energy early on. So why was he benched while Willie Green played backup SF for several weeks? Playing it extremely badly, I might add. And now, despite JV being quoted as saying that he "still believes in Moe's abilities, and Moe knows that," the situation has culminated in Harkless being deactivated for rookie Devyn Marble. Sure, it's Moe's job to remain professional and not let that impact his approach to the game. That's totally valid. But he shouldn't have been benched like that to begin with. That's horrible mismanagement by JV, and horrible awareness of the type of personalities he's coaching. That's not some form of next-level psychology designed to motivate Harkless. If it is, it's woefully incorrect. Harkless has shown a fragility in his confidence level, and moves like that aren't likely to yield positive results with him. Maybe it worked once or twice, on a much smaller scale, in the past. But if it ever did truly work, the well has run dry on that strategy. Besides, he was playing well. But instead of solidifying that and building on it, JV literally crushed it in the palm of his hand. Much like Nicholson last season.

But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)

You know what I think? I've been citing Occam's Razor in regards to JV for 3 years now. I don't think we should attempt finding some kind of deep meaning behind his seemingly incomprehensible logic. Because I don't think such a thing exists. The simple answer is, he has no idea what he's doing. He mismanaged Nicholson. He mismanaged Harkless (both of which were first round picks, by the way. Hardly throwaway assets you don't care about.). He has no semblance of a system on offense. Our defense isn't as good as it probably should be. There's no identity. Every night is a crapshoot, nothing is consistent. I take that back. The one thing we can count on every night is being able to scratch our head at his decisions.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that he had been, and would be, a great assistant coach. Players would almost certainly like him and enjoy working with him in that role. But he is not an NBA head coach.


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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#387 » by ozzorracs » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:38 pm

10th seed (ya I know - not playoffs). I said it before the season. If we aren't in the top 10 at the end of the season JV is gone.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#388 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:09 pm

I'm ready for a change. He is sucking the life out of the team and this fan base. I have never been so disengaged in a Magic game like I was last night against the Nuggets. Tired of us looking unprepared game in and out. Tired of seeing players not have defined roles on the team. Tired of his rotations changing constantly. I can go on and on about this guy.

We have been losing the exact same way for nearly a month and a half and I am not seeing any sort of improvement. Sure we have won more road games but we are now dreadful at home this season.
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Post#389 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:11 pm

ozzorracs wrote:10th seed (ya I know - not playoffs). I said it before the season. If we aren't in the top 10 at the end of the season JV is gone.

I hope you are right because right now we are sitting pretty at #13 in the east, right behind the super tankers, Philly and NY. Just goes to show how bad of a coach JV is.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#390 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:05 pm

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FFBlitzace wrote:I want to talk about Maurice Harkless. I know he's not very popular on this board right now, but let's be fair for a minute. He started the year out of the rotation. When JV finally put him in there, he played pretty well, I thought. He was active on the glass, he was running the floor, etc. Wasn't shooting the 3 well, but he was doing everything else well and making a visible impact. But instead of being rewarded with a consistent spot in the rotation, even in limited minutes, he was once again buried on the bench. In his appearances since then, he hasn't been good.

Let's rewind to the beginning of last season. Andrew Nicholson came out very strong. His rebounding and defense were both visibly and quantifiably improved, and he even added a 3pt shot. But then, in the blink of an eye, he was buried on the bench for no apparent reason (I'm lying. Glen Davis is too large a man to not be apparent.). And in his very sporadic appearances over the remainder of the season, he wasn't good.

Why has history basically repeated itself here? The knock on Harkless is his lack of energy and aggressiveness, but I feel like he was playing with good energy early on. So why was he benched while Willie Green played backup SF for several weeks? Playing it extremely badly, I might add. And now, despite JV being quoted as saying that he "still believes in Moe's abilities, and Moe knows that," the situation has culminated in Harkless being deactivated for rookie Devyn Marble. Sure, it's Moe's job to remain professional and not let that impact his approach to the game. That's totally valid. But he shouldn't have been benched like that to begin with. That's horrible mismanagement by JV, and horrible awareness of the type of personalities he's coaching. That's not some form of next-level psychology designed to motivate Harkless. If it is, it's woefully incorrect. Harkless has shown a fragility in his confidence level, and moves like that aren't likely to yield positive results with him. Maybe it worked once or twice, on a much smaller scale, in the past. But if it ever did truly work, the well has run dry on that strategy. Besides, he was playing well. But instead of solidifying that and building on it, JV literally crushed it in the palm of his hand. Much like Nicholson last season.

But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)

You know what I think? I've been citing Occam's Razor in regards to JV for 3 years now. I don't think we should attempt finding some kind of deep meaning behind his seemingly incomprehensible logic. Because I don't think such a thing exists. The simple answer is, he has no idea what he's doing. He mismanaged Nicholson. He mismanaged Harkless (both of which were first round picks, by the way. Hardly throwaway assets you don't care about.). He has no semblance of a system on offense. Our defense isn't as good as it probably should be. There's no identity. Every night is a crapshoot, nothing is consistent. I take that back. The one thing we can count on every night is being able to scratch our head at his decisions.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that he had been, and would be, a great assistant coach. Players would almost certainly like him and enjoy working with him in that role. But he is not an NBA head coach.



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Great post. I have to bump this because it's exactly how I feel about Vaughn but didn't know it. None of it makes any sense outside of him not knowing what the hell he's doing. I hate people calling for a change for the sake of change, but I sense something is going to happen. Either trade or a coaching change...I don't know. But as far as his rotations and development go I think he's been horrible.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#391 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:07 pm

ChosenSavior wrote:I'm ready for a change. He is sucking the life out of the team and this fan base. I have never been so disengaged in a Magic game like I was last night against the Nuggets. Tired of us looking unprepared game in and out. Tired of seeing players not have defined roles on the team. Tired of his rotations changing constantly. I can go on and on about this guy.

We have been losing the exact same way for nearly a month and a half and I am not seeing any sort of improvement. Sure we have won more road games but we are now dreadful at home this season.

Well the road game excuse is out the window imo. I still think it's the team will show some inconsistency with the amount of new players but that aside, you're right, its been the same crap every game for the past month and it hasn't changed.
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Post#392 » by GameOver25 » Fri Jan 9, 2015 1:06 am

FFBlitzace wrote:I want to talk about Maurice Harkless. I know he's not very popular on this board right now, but let's be fair for a minute. He started the year out of the rotation. When JV finally put him in there, he played pretty well, I thought. He was active on the glass, he was running the floor, etc. Wasn't shooting the 3 well, but he was doing everything else well and making a visible impact. But instead of being rewarded with a consistent spot in the rotation, even in limited minutes, he was once again buried on the bench. In his appearances since then, he hasn't been good.

Let's rewind to the beginning of last season. Andrew Nicholson came out very strong. His rebounding and defense were both visibly and quantifiably improved, and he even added a 3pt shot. But then, in the blink of an eye, he was buried on the bench for no apparent reason (I'm lying. Glen Davis is too large a man to not be apparent.). And in his very sporadic appearances over the remainder of the season, he wasn't good.

Why has history basically repeated itself here? The knock on Harkless is his lack of energy and aggressiveness, but I feel like he was playing with good energy early on. So why was he benched while Willie Green played backup SF for several weeks? Playing it extremely badly, I might add. And now, despite JV being quoted as saying that he "still believes in Moe's abilities, and Moe knows that," the situation has culminated in Harkless being deactivated for rookie Devyn Marble. Sure, it's Moe's job to remain professional and not let that impact his approach to the game. That's totally valid. But he shouldn't have been benched like that to begin with. That's horrible mismanagement by JV, and horrible awareness of the type of personalities he's coaching. That's not some form of next-level psychology designed to motivate Harkless. If it is, it's woefully incorrect. Harkless has shown a fragility in his confidence level, and moves like that aren't likely to yield positive results with him. Maybe it worked once or twice, on a much smaller scale, in the past. But if it ever did truly work, the well has run dry on that strategy. Besides, he was playing well. But instead of solidifying that and building on it, JV literally crushed it in the palm of his hand. Much like Nicholson last season.

But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)

You know what I think? I've been citing Occam's Razor in regards to JV for 3 years now. I don't think we should attempt finding some kind of deep meaning behind his seemingly incomprehensible logic. Because I don't think such a thing exists. The simple answer is, he has no idea what he's doing. He mismanaged Nicholson. He mismanaged Harkless (both of which were first round picks, by the way. Hardly throwaway assets you don't care about.). He has no semblance of a system on offense. Our defense isn't as good as it probably should be. There's no identity. Every night is a crapshoot, nothing is consistent. I take that back. The one thing we can count on every night is being able to scratch our head at his decisions.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that he had been, and would be, a great assistant coach. Players would almost certainly like him and enjoy working with him in that role. But he is not an NBA head coach.


Well said Blitz. As far as Nicholson. I still remember that Pacers game last year where he was killing only to be benched the rest of the game.
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Post#393 » by tiderulz » Fri Jan 9, 2015 1:55 am

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But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)


Tobias came off the bench, just like Vucci sat for an extended time, just like Ronnie Price was starting, for a reason..

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Post#394 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Jan 9, 2015 2:16 am

GameOver25 wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:I want to talk about Maurice Harkless. I know he's not very popular on this board right now, but let's be fair for a minute. He started the year out of the rotation. When JV finally put him in there, he played pretty well, I thought. He was active on the glass, he was running the floor, etc. Wasn't shooting the 3 well, but he was doing everything else well and making a visible impact. But instead of being rewarded with a consistent spot in the rotation, even in limited minutes, he was once again buried on the bench. In his appearances since then, he hasn't been good.

Let's rewind to the beginning of last season. Andrew Nicholson came out very strong. His rebounding and defense were both visibly and quantifiably improved, and he even added a 3pt shot. But then, in the blink of an eye, he was buried on the bench for no apparent reason (I'm lying. Glen Davis is too large a man to not be apparent.). And in his very sporadic appearances over the remainder of the season, he wasn't good.

Why has history basically repeated itself here? The knock on Harkless is his lack of energy and aggressiveness, but I feel like he was playing with good energy early on. So why was he benched while Willie Green played backup SF for several weeks? Playing it extremely badly, I might add. And now, despite JV being quoted as saying that he "still believes in Moe's abilities, and Moe knows that," the situation has culminated in Harkless being deactivated for rookie Devyn Marble. Sure, it's Moe's job to remain professional and not let that impact his approach to the game. That's totally valid. But he shouldn't have been benched like that to begin with. That's horrible mismanagement by JV, and horrible awareness of the type of personalities he's coaching. That's not some form of next-level psychology designed to motivate Harkless. If it is, it's woefully incorrect. Harkless has shown a fragility in his confidence level, and moves like that aren't likely to yield positive results with him. Maybe it worked once or twice, on a much smaller scale, in the past. But if it ever did truly work, the well has run dry on that strategy. Besides, he was playing well. But instead of solidifying that and building on it, JV literally crushed it in the palm of his hand. Much like Nicholson last season.

But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)

You know what I think? I've been citing Occam's Razor in regards to JV for 3 years now. I don't think we should attempt finding some kind of deep meaning behind his seemingly incomprehensible logic. Because I don't think such a thing exists. The simple answer is, he has no idea what he's doing. He mismanaged Nicholson. He mismanaged Harkless (both of which were first round picks, by the way. Hardly throwaway assets you don't care about.). He has no semblance of a system on offense. Our defense isn't as good as it probably should be. There's no identity. Every night is a crapshoot, nothing is consistent. I take that back. The one thing we can count on every night is being able to scratch our head at his decisions.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that he had been, and would be, a great assistant coach. Players would almost certainly like him and enjoy working with him in that role. But he is not an NBA head coach.


Well said Blitz. As far as Nicholson. I still remember that Pacers game last year where he was killing only to be benched the rest of the game.


That still makes me mad and that was over a year ago lmao. No wonder the guy lost his confidence.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#396 » by Orlwillbeback » Fri Jan 9, 2015 6:20 am

tiderulz wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:
But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)


Tobias came off the bench, just like Vucci sat for an extended time, just like Ronnie Price was starting, for a reason..

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yea this one is pretty obvious, harkless was the tank commander the last few years.
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Post#397 » by Neato » Fri Jan 9, 2015 8:31 am

I think jv is feeling the hot seat a bit with the way he's increasingly calling the players out for their effort and execution. but I still think he's safe through this season. the FO essentially extended jv's contract last summer, right? that probably counts for something, especially since expectations were probably not too high to begin this season.
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#399 » by TreasureCoast » Fri Jan 9, 2015 1:22 pm

Can we be done waiting abit?
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Re: Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit? 

Post#400 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Jan 9, 2015 4:33 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:
But wait a minute...speaking of last season, wasn't Tobias Harris (who is having a pretty darn good year by anyone's standards) coming off the bench less than one calendar year ago?! Yes, he was. Behind Maurice Harkless. What kind of rationale could possibly be presented that would legitimately explain this turn of events? Either JV was making a terrible mistake last season, or he's making a terrible mistake this season. There can be no inbetween. (Obviously Harris is the right call, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.)


Tobias came off the bench, just like Vucci sat for an extended time, just like Ronnie Price was starting, for a reason..

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yea this one is pretty obvious, harkless was the tank commander the last few years.

Well he wasn't losing games for us so..... Vaughn was the actual tank commander.
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