Player Predictions : Jeremy Lamb

[panthermark]

"Interesting" discussion.
Send him to Chicago. You can have our headcase player. Snell was a beast in summer league because of one big reason.
Confidence
But come the regular season...he is awful...and lets scared to even be out on the court. He is a guy debated on a lot on the Bulls board....till the point where he gets psycho-analyzed about how he does not smile in pictures. He should be a solid 3&D guy who is actually a plus passer. He has great length for defense, is supposed to be a shooter, and his a touch of playmaking ability. But right now he is a total bum. He's been given minutes, and could do nothing with them.

[bondom34]

"Interesting" discussion.
Send him to Chicago. You can have our headcase player. Snell was a beast in summer league because of one big reason.
Confidence
But come the regular season...he is awful...and lets scared to even be out on the court. He is a guy debated on a lot on the Bulls board....till the point where he gets psycho-analyzed about how he does not smile in pictures. He should be a solid 3&D guy who is actually a plus passer. He has great length for defense, is supposed to be a shooter, and his a touch of playmaking ability. But right now he is a total bum. He's been given minutes, and could do nothing with them.

Sure.

[Bravenewworld]

No, it shows the kind of price a talented player who has underachieved and been relegated to Lamb's status can fetch. I don't know how your view can be so clearly slanted.

Really? You want to compare that to the trades we see for.... unproven players or just straight draft picks?
Wiggins maybe?
Jeff Green?

These players have a tremendous value coming into the league. Wiggins got Kevin Love, Jeff Green got Ray Allen. As long as a player shows an upside, improvements, etc. they generally retain that value. It probably falls a bit as reality punches expectations (even for good players). If we are judging DWill off his projection, reports and first two seasons, his value should have dropped only a bit. Nothing substantial, not all the way down to no one will take him and the only thing Miny could get was a limited 2nd string player.

I dont get what you think this guy is going to go for, especially when you bring up DWill. That confuses me more, as if we are trying to gauge where Lamb will fall by the DWill thing, then Lamb has about 25% of DWills value at the time of trade.... and that might be high.
We are going to be lucky if we can trade him or get a team to take him off waivers, at all.

U dunno... bookmark this page and come back when he is traded for pennies. Otherwise whatever.
He wont be traded and we will cut him or just put him on the IR for 3 years.

[spearsy23]

No, it shows the kind of price a talented player who has underachieved and been relegated to Lamb's status can fetch. I don't know how your view can be so clearly slanted.

Really? You want to compare that to the trades we see for.... unproven players or just straight draft picks?
Wiggins maybe?
Jeff Green?

These players have a tremendous value coming into the league. Wiggins got Kevin Love, Jeff Green got Ray Allen. As long as a player shows an upside, improvements, etc. they generally retain that value. It probably falls a bit as reality punches expectations (even for good players).

Thank you for the irrelevant history lesson on players who get traded before playing an NBA game. It was neither informative nor helpful.

If we are judging DWill off his projection, reports and first two seasons, his value should have dropped only a bit. Nothing substantial, not all the way down to no one will take him and the only thing Miny could get was a limited 2nd string player.

if you want to judge Williams off of his projection, reports and play extend Lamb the same courtesy. Williams second year was very similar to Lamb's current year, and he played worse from there, as in he looked horrible to start his third year. Teams do not continue to value you based on your draft spot after seeing you play.

I dont get what you think this guy is going to go for, especially when you bring up DWill. That confuses me more, as if we are trying to gauge where Lamb will fall by the DWill thing, then Lamb has about 25% of DWills value at the time of trade.... and that might be high.
We are going to be lucky if we can trade him or get a team to take him off waivers, at all.

This is completely your opinion, not backed up by anything at all. Third year player who has looked like a rotational player but is inconsistent and focuses too much on offense? What price could that conceivably fetch? Who would possibly trade for that? Oh.... WE JUST DID.

U dunno... bookmark this page and come back when he is traded for pennies. Otherwise whatever.
He wont be traded and we will cut him or just put him on the IR for 3 years.

Okay bro, I don't know why we're signing him for an extra year if we're putting him on IR.

[Bravenewworld]

Thank you for the irrelevant history lesson on players who get traded before playing an NBA game. It was neither informative nor helpful.

My bad. I didnt know trying to establish value for newly drafted and young players was irrelevant when attempting to guage how far a player drops in value from that point.... how silly of me.

if you want to judge Williams off of his projection, reports and play extend Lamb the same courtesy. Williams second year was very similar to Lamb's current year, and he played worse from there, as in he looked horrible to start his third year. Teams do not continue to value you based on your draft spot after seeing you play.

I am judging Williams off his expectations THEN and what he had shown. Which unlike Lamb, was nothing but improvements. And limited DNPs btw, that were not a continued issue year by year.
This is where you seem to not understand the difference.
DWill, as much as he was affected by what went on. The DNP thing and clash only really happened for the third season. Lamb, this is the second season in a row where we see him getting stretches of DNPs, when he should not.
You need to understand that LAST SEASON was his get out of jail free card for most people. DWills get out of jail card, was him being traded and then us not seeing those issues on the new team. Lamb had these issues, we gave him a second chance. He continued to have issues and we gave him a third. He continued and we gave him a fourth.
Do you really not see a massive difference?

This is completely your opinion, not backed up by anything at all. Third year player who has looked like a rotational player but is inconsistent and focuses too much on offense? What price could that conceivably fetch? Who would possibly trade for that? Oh.... WE JUST DID.

You're right, it is my opinion. But its also verified with the fact that we have not moved him yet and no one has even shown interest and OKC has replaced him 3 times.
You seem to think Waiters and Lamb are comparable in anyway shape or form, but they're not. Not in the least. There is not one single person outside of a couple people on these forums who suggests this. You cant watch the two players side by side and even think they are similar. You cant even say they are both in bad situations because one is creating that bad situation, the other one the team is in a bad situation.
In terms of SGs and the spectrum of SGs, one is one one side, the other on the other.

Okay bro, I don't know why we're signing him for an extra year if we're putting him on IR.

Its a guaranteed restricted year dude.
It means he is a restricted FA, if another team offers him more, we have to match that or let him go. If a team does not offer him more, we pay him the... 4 mill i think it is.

[spearsy23]

I am judging Williams off his expectations THEN and what he had shown. Which unlike Lamb, was nothing but improvements. And limited DNPs btw, that were not a continued issue year by year.
This is where you seem to not understand the difference.
DWill, as much as he was affected by what went on. The DNP thing and clash only really happened for the third season. Lamb, this is the second season in a row where we see him getting stretches of DNPs, when he should not.
You need to understand that LAST SEASON was his get out of jail free card for most people. DWills get out of jail card, was him being traded and then us not seeing those issues on the new team. Lamb had these issues, we gave him a second chance. He continued to have issues and we gave him a third. He continued and we gave him a fourth.
Do you really not see a massive difference?

You're kidding, right? Williams and Adelman constantly clashed. Williams never got consistent playing time his 2nd season until love was out for two months. Then he continued getting playing time as the Wolves were well out of contention. The situations were very similar, except we stayed in the playoff chase. You're claiming Lamb is impossible to trade, that means you think he has shown less than Byron Mullens?

You're right, it is my opinion. But its also verified with the fact that we have not moved him yet and no one has even shown interest and OKC has replaced him 3 times.

Someone not having been traded isn't verifying they can't be traded. That's idiotic logic. It's entirely possible that Presti finds the potential reward of waiting Lamb out to be higher than obtaining a second round pick, or another player who would sit on the bench but is older.

You seem to think Waiters and Lamb are comparable in anyway shape or form, but they're not. Not in the least. There is not one single person outside of a couple people on these forums who suggests this. You cant watch the two players side by side and even think they are similar. You cant even say they are both in bad situations because one is creating that bad situation, the other one the team is in a bad situation. In terms of SGs and the spectrum of SGs, one is one one side, the other on the other.

Despite your love affair with Waiters, they are not dissimilar. Illustrate what makes Waiters this amazing prospect, while Lamb is a bum and a toxic asset. What does Waiters do well that Lamb doesn't?

Its a guaranteed restricted year dude.
It means he is a restricted FA, if another team offers him more, we have to match that or let him go. If a team does not offer him more, we pay him the... 4 mill i think it is.

Since when do you have to extend a qualifying offer to a player after their rookie deal? Do you have a source on this? You could be right and I've just never heard of this, but I need to see it from somewhere.