Cleveland get Mozgov

Post #21 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 10:18 pm

Haywood looks really, really slow out there and he can't jump. He gets out rebounded by guys who are smaller than him (like no-jump Bynum) and he struggles to rotate on defense. He's a 7 footer who has six fouls and can be used in spot duty against certain centers.

gflem · Post #22 » by **gflem** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:36 am

Cant we all just get along? :wink:

Seriously though, I agree that Love and TT do get bullied by bigger C's, and that I have wanted to see more of Haywood due to that, but he really isn't the answer to all of our problems in the front court. He is slow, and not really athletic, but with his bulk he should at least be using his 6 fouls to make other C's work and the smaller players that usually just waltz to the basket against us to think about the possibility of getting flattened by him.
I wonder how Love feels about being asked to be a stretch four one minute, and then being asked to guard D Howard the next? I know some of that is due to injuries, but what exactly is his role? IMO he has to be asking himself what he is exactly supposed to be doing from minute to minute. That cant help his consistency.
For now, I am most certainly in favor of Mozgov getting the bulk of the minutes at C, until he proves that he isn't better than our other options there. And, signing Dally or JON would be just fine with me, though I prefer Dally since I believe he is aware of exactly what his role is with a team, whereas JON might still think he is more than just a big body that is there to eat minutes and try to defend the rim.

Theitaliangame · Post #23 » by **Theitaliangame** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:30 pm

Haywood is somewhat slow, but when you're making an assessment of him you need to compare him to what else there is on the team. While he is somewhat slow, he is still a better rim protector than any player on the cavs . I think his size and length and ability to defend the rim is even greater than mozgov's. I'm not sure how people are saying he gets outrebounded by smaller guys. He's put up good rebounding numbers when he's been in.

TheKingofSting · Post #24 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:55 am

Haywood is horrible.

Dupp · Post #25 » by **Dupp** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:59 am

Theitaliangame wrote:Haywood is somewhat slow, but when you're making an assessment of him you need to compare him to what else there is on the team. While he is somewhat slow, he is still a better rim protector than any player on the cavs . I think his size and length and ability to defend the rim is even greater than mozgov's. I'm not sure how people are saying he gets outrebounded by smaller guys. He's put up good rebounding numbers when he's been in.

It's cute you call other people idiots and then post stuff like this

SaiCLE · Post #26 » by **SaiCLE** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:21 pm

Mozgov Is a freaking beast :cry:

MPrice25 · Post #27 » by **MPrice25** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:27 am

Theitaliangame wrote:
Dupp wrote:Another thing with Haywood is maybe he's still not capable of playing significant minutes. He did look ok the other day but for the most part he's been bad.

In what way has he been had? Are you saying that he provides less rim protection than love and Thompson? His length and rim protection is all the cavs need him for and so far he's been good at providing that. The problem is he never plays and then you have idiots that complain that the cavs don't have a rim protector. Well, yeah, no ****. That happens when you barely use the biggest and tallest player you have on your team. I'm telling you guys to watch that the cavs are still going to get abused at the rim because mozgov is not going to be able to play 48 minutes a game. Not only that but I bet he never uses haywood now and we will really be back to the same issues. He does not understand balance and how to put the right rotations on. Stay stupid guys. Just maybe you'll all wake up when the cavs are still not a great team in the coming months.

Wait, you serious? AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
you should watch Cavs games, then post. He's thankful he's not a free agent right now he's been so bad.
Haywood isn't going to change them getting "abused" he's by far the worst player in the eastern confrence
go learn some basketball before you edit* (attack the post, not the poster. Consider this your first warning. -B Mac)

Joao Saraiva · Post #28 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:56 am

Just dropped by the thread to see what you guys think of him after some games with Cleveland. He has been really impressive for me. Good finishing arround the rim, great rebounding and rim protection, solid one on one defender.

JR has also been promising for Cleveland.

LeBron coming to good shape is a major plus too.

Seems like Cleveland did the right moves and will contend. If you can win or not only time will tell, but I think right now every Cleveland fan has to be happy with the progress.

Post #29 » by **B Mac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:00 am

Mozgov has always owned Pau, so doing so again tonight wasnt that surprising. For the most part though I have been extremely happy with the additions. They are slowly learning where to get these guys the ball, and these guys are learning how to fit in with our offense.

Defensively Mozgov has been a game changer. You've seen it already, but guards arent just waltzing to the basket like they were pre-trade. Also, while JR hasnt been amazing defensively, he's giving a lot of effort and that is infectious.

Cant wait to see this team continue to gel and to see them with Shump in there as well.

TheKingofSting · Post #30 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:16 am

Mozgov did work tonight!

SaiCLE · Post #31 » by **SaiCLE** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:19 am

MozGov completely owned GaSoft tonight. It was funny watching the bulls struggle to score inside when the big Russian was in there.
Let's keep this going fellas

Post #32 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:41 pm

If Mozgov can keep up this level of play, the two firsts were definitely worth it.

TheKingofSting · Post #33 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:57 am

What a brilliant find by the Cavs.

KnickerBonkerz · Post #34 » by **KnickerBonkerz** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:38 pm

This move is reminiscent of the last time Lebron was in Cleveland. 2 first rounders for a center that likely doesn't start on any other contender... Seems like the Cavs are mortgaging their future for role players that quite frankly may or may not work out.

MPrice25 · Post #35 » by **MPrice25** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:02 pm

KnickerBonkerz wrote:This move is reminiscent of the last time Lebron was in Cleveland. 2 first rounders for a center that likely doesn't start on any other contender... Seems like the Cavs are mortgaging their future for role players that quite frankly may or may not work out.

How so? we still have a first round pick every other year outside of 2017
still have 9 out of 15 guys 30 or younger

Doesn't look like they are mortgaging anything to me 8-)

Dont be jealous that Toronto doesn't have as bright a current or future

Brovva Blaqq · Post #36 » by **Brovva Blaqq** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:25 pm

TheKingofSting wrote:What a brilliant find by the Cavs.

Mozgov is Blatt's guy - always has been. Give this man some credit.

Post #37 » by **B Mac** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:55 am

KnickerBonkerz wrote:This move is reminiscent of the last time Lebron was in Cleveland. 2 first rounders for a center that likely doesn't start on any other contender... Seems like the Cavs are mortgaging their future for role players that quite frankly may or may not work out.

Is he the most talented Center out there? Of course not. He is however the perfect fit for what this team needed. The impact he has had on this team in his short tenure here has been night and day. To say otherwise is either ignorance or spitefulness. Cant figure out which angle you're taking here.

Ursusamericanus · Post #38 » by **Ursusamericanus** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:35 am

Nah, you guys are good. I was pretty upset when we offloaded him in the Melo deal - frankly, we got completely and utterly bent over to get Melo, but I digress...

This is an incredible pickup. He basically fills the exact need this team had, which was a legitimate rim protector. Probably the best center LeBron has played with since Z (correct me if I'm wrong there). He can run the floor, block shots, knock down mid-range jump shots, hit the glass - really everything you want in a solid, starting center. If you look at the East you won't find a lot of centers better than him. He knows what he's supposed to do and does it well.

Call me crazy but I actually think the recent acquisitions of Mozgov, Shumpert and JR put the Cavs into contender status. And from what I've seen, Mozgov and JR have really fit in nicely and seem to have more than solid on-court chemistry with the big 3. I actually noticed a few plays where Irving would funnel his man towards Mozgov who would then easily disrupt or block the opponent's shot. 4-1 since LeBron came back. Really this is the start of the season for you guys if you ask me - just need to make up for lost ground in the standings now with Toronto and Chicago slipping.

Post #39 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:01 am

KnickerBonkerz wrote:This move is reminiscent of the last time Lebron was in Cleveland. 2 first rounders for a center that likely doesn't start on any other contender... Seems like the Cavs are mortgaging their future for role players that quite frankly may or may not work out.

Officially putting the next game against JV on the calendar right now...

tidho · Post #40 » by **tidho** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:27 pm

Not the perfect player, just the perfect fit.