Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[Chris4Vikes]

I think Prince will be offered a buyout. At his salary, he is a negative asset.

I think that Prince, Thornton, and Bass should all be offered buyouts or waived now - provided there is no trade value. Nelson may return a second rounder, or he should be bought out too. The Green trade removes all doubt about the course, and veterans should not be helping us win games.

Ainge traded Rondo and Green well before the trade deadline because wins and losses matter now - a lot. I think he'll keep removing remaining vets soon, one way or another.

[165bows]

For the record I think Jeff Green will have a really good second half in Memphis. Courtney Lee resurgence 2.0.

[Ed Pinkney]

Ideally you trade Prince and Nelson, preferably with nothing coming back at all salary or player wise if possible. If not then consider buying them out. It would be better suited in my opinion to try and keep a roster spot or two open for the remainder of the season (if nothing else happens before the deadline) so Ainge can take a look at some D-League players for a few months who might be showing some promise for example.

[soxfan2003]

For the record I think Jeff Green will have a really good second half in Memphis. Courtney Lee resurgence 2.0.

I was actually a believer in Lee being a useful player that could help a team in a defined role. I was upset with Rivers not giving him more of a chance in the 2013 playoffs given the alternatives with Rondo/Barbosa out. I am very skeptical about Green at this stage but other than the Warriors and Mavs(I'd like Rondo/Dirk to do well), the Grizzlies will be the third team in the WC that I root for this year. Next year, I will obviously root against the Mavs since the Celtics could get a good pick.

[SMTBSI]

Didn't know that, thanks- so he can be packaged as long as his salary matches someone coming back to Boston.. The league doesn't consider that to be circumventing the CBA?

Nope. In many cases it's required to break trades down into multiple parallel parts. The Rondo trade was like 5 different trades from Boston's perspective, and several from Dallas' as well. Parallel trades are totally legal, and each team can "interpret" the transactions in the way that is most beneficial to them.

82. What are the rules regarding trades?
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Sometimes there are multiple ways to configure the same trade. For example, a minimum-salary player might be acquired using either the Traded Player exception or the Minimum Salary exception, or a two-for-two trade might also work as two separate one-for-one trades. Teams are allowed to choose the configuration that works best for them.

83. What is the Traded Player exception?
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It is important to view a trade from each team's perspective separately, rather than as a single, unified transaction. This is because the same trade may be organized differently according to each team's needs. For example, a trade might be classified as a simultaneous trade from one team's perspective, but from the other team's perspective it's actually broken into two separate trades, one simultaneous and the other non-simultaneous (completing a trade they made months earlier).

So that applies to Tayshaun Prince, too.. Interesting- I hope Danny's got a little more creative dealing in him.

Yup. Prince, Wright, Nelson, Crowder, Rivers.

It's not that you can't trade them with others, it's just that you're heavily restricted in how you can do so.

[165bows]

For the record I think Jeff Green will have a really good second half in Memphis. Courtney Lee resurgence 2.0.

I was actually a believer in Lee being a useful player that could help a team in a defined role. I was upset with Rivers not giving him more of a chance in the 2013 playoffs given the alternatives with Rondo/Barbosa out. I am very skeptical about Green at this stage but other than the Warriors and Mavs(I'd like Rondo/Dirk to do well), the Grizzlies will be the third team in the WC that I root for this year. Next year, I will obviously root against the Mavs since the Celtics could get a good pick.

For a lot of this season this has been one of Jeff's best stretches. If he can even hit his career averages in MEM with his jump shot it will be as good or better than any stretch he's had. And with Randolph out for now he should get plenty of chances at the four.

And on MEM going all in its smart considering the alternative. The next lotto pick they've got they owe in trade and both Gasol and Conley could walk in FA in the next 1.5 years. They've sold a lot of future assets but not ones that are the most important that they don't lose IMO. Pretty much either of Gasol/Conley walk in their respective FA years and what incentive does the other have to stay long term?

[jfs1000d]

So that applies to Tayshaun Prince, too.. Interesting- I hope Danny's got a little more creative dealing in him.

Hope Ainge is on the phone tonight flipping Prince to Toronto for Chuck Hayes and 2nd round picks in 2018 and 2019. I can't see him getting more than a couple of 2nds.

Has to reduce salary. I'm not adding payroll at all on peripheral pieces. So, prince is $7.7 million so, the guy we trade for has to be a $5 million expiring. I would give up that second rounder to do it.


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[jfs1000d]

For the record I think Jeff Green will have a really good second half in Memphis. Courtney Lee resurgence 2.0.

I was actually a believer in Lee being a useful player that could help a team in a defined role. I was upset with Rivers not giving him more of a chance in the 2013 playoffs given the alternatives with Rondo/Barbosa out. I am very skeptical about Green at this stage but other than the Warriors and Mavs(I'd like Rondo/Dirk to do well), the Grizzlies will be the third team in the WC that I root for this year. Next year, I will obviously root against the Mavs since the Celtics could get a good pick.

For a lot of this season this has been one of Jeff's best stretches. If he can even hit his career averages in MEM with his jump shot it will be as good or better than any stretch he's had. And with Randolph out for now he should get plenty of chances at the four.

And on MEM going all in its smart considering the alternative. The next lotto pick they've got they owe in trade and both Gasol and Conley could walk in FA in the next 1.5 years. They've sold a lot of future assets but not ones that are the most important that they don't lose IMO. Pretty much either of Gasol/Conley walk in their respective FA years and what incentive does the other have to stay long term?

Memphis was a terrific team with worst SF play in the nba. Prince was a terrific player, but he's done. Green is such an upgrade to a team that could win the nba title with the Spurs finally cracking and the heat broken up.


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[UGA Hayes]

It would be sort of fascinating if memphis and Dallas match up in the playoffs. It sort of unusual for two starters to be traded to two playoff teams in the opposite conference.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So that applies to Tayshaun Prince, too.. Interesting- I hope Danny's got a little more creative dealing in him.

Hope Ainge is on the phone tonight flipping Prince to Toronto for Chuck Hayes and 2nd round picks in 2018 and 2019. I can't see him getting more than a couple of 2nds.

Has to reduce salary. I'm not adding payroll at all on peripheral pieces. So, prince is $7.7 million so, the guy we trade for has to be a $5 million expiring. I would give up that second rounder to do it.


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Prince for Landry Fields makes more sense.. I'd try to get Lucas Nogeira, too, but that's me.

[darrendaye]

Prince for Landry Fields makes more sense.. I'd try to get Lucas Nogeira, too, but that's me.

IMO, you need to consider having a overly bloated roster again next year. They have Smart, Bradley, Young, Crowder, Turner, Olynyk, Sullinger, and Zeller likely back next year and two picks one should expect to see floor time as well. Perhaps you can presume a trade of one of them and Nogeira too, but I'd rather have the pick and a more fluid roster to add several pieces to next year via free agency and the multiple picks currently held.

[165bows]

Prince for Landry Fields makes more sense.. I'd try to get Lucas Nogeira, too, but that's me.

IMO, you need to consider having a overly bloated roster again next year. They have Smart, Bradley, Young, Crowder, Turner, Olynyk, Sullinger, and Zeller likely back next year and two picks one should expect to see floor time as well. Perhaps you can presume a trade of one of them and Nogeira too, but I'd rather have the pick and a more fluid roster to add several pieces to next year via free agency and the multiple picks currently held.

I'd for sure do Prince and Nelson for Fields and Hayes. Would give them the space to sign Dalembert. Takes on more money this year for moving Nelson's option year.

Not sure if Toronto would do it though.

[aim2please]

Nelson and Prince won't fetch anything in a trade, especially since all the teams (if there are any) interested in them know we will buy them out if they are not traded. IMO, Prince will be bought out and will sign with the Clippers. Doc loves guys that were good in the Eastern conference years ago.

Edit: Nelson has 2.8M option for next year. Veteran minimum for a player with 10y experience is ~1.5M. I am sure he will get offered minimum deal next year by someone, so he might settle for ~1M buyout for next season. It would give him a chance to find a team of his choice. Sounds reasonable

[ferk]

we seem to have pretty good luck with former celtics . sending out that pick while den having another pick though....... better hang some banners lol .

[Andrew McCeltic]

Nelson and Prince won't fetch anything in a trade, especially since all the teams (if there are any) interested in them know we will buy them out if they are not traded. IMO, Prince will be bought out and will sign with the Clippers. Doc loves guys that were good in the Eastern conference years ago.

Edit: Nelson has 2.8M option for next year. Veteran minimum for a player with 10y experience is ~1.5M. I am sure he will get offered minimum deal next year by someone, so he might settle for ~1M buyout for next season. It would give him a chance to find a team of his choice. Sounds reasonable

Yeah, there's a good chance teams just wait on both guys, and neither is good enough to pay for with a major asset. But if you're Toronto and you don't have any trades materialize, what's Landry Fields and a future 1st for a guaranteed band-aid small forward? Prince isn't signing with you post buyout, he's going to the Clips. I'd say there's a 25% chance we get a deal for either one, but it bears watching.

Thornton's stuck here unless we take on salary or swap expirings with someone else for a minor gain, like shaving money or tweaking our/their rotation. Bass could fetch something, but you've got to weigh that against his positive influence on the team..

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge has plenty of room under the luxury tax line. Celtics can't go over $77 million and right now Ainge is at $65+ million. Going over the tax line is a big no no in the NBA. I can see Ainge helping other teams stay under the tax line and collecting even more assets before the trade dealine by using the trade exceptions. Ainge is a genius.

For example: Trade Bass for Bargnani and a 1st round pick. Celtics help the Knicks stay out of the luxury tax and the Celtics get an expiring contract and another 1st round pick. (P.S. this is just an example).

I think Ainge will be looking for these type of deals at the trade deadline.

Someone correct me if my cap logic is wrong.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Keep it up Ainge. Clean up the house.

[JohnB]

Ainge has plenty of room under the luxury tax line. Celtics can't go over $77 million and right now Ainge is at $65+ million. Going over the tax line is a big no no in the NBA. I can see Ainge helping other teams stay under the tax line and collecting even more assets before the trade dealine by using the trade exceptions. Ainge is a genius.

For example: Trade Bass for Bargnani and a 1st round pick. Celtics help the Knicks stay out of the luxury tax and the Celtics get an expiring contract and another 1st round pick. (P.S. this is just an example).

I think Ainge will be looking for these type of deals at the trade deadline.

Someone correct me if my cap logic is wrong.

I think you're right. This CBA has something in it where if you are in the tax for 3 years in a row then you pay even more than the dollar for dollar price of being over the cap. So teams with a high payroll and no title hopes this year might vary well look for a deal like this.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ainge has plenty of room under the luxury tax line. Celtics can't go over $77 million and right now Ainge is at $65+ million. Going over the tax line is a big no no in the NBA. I can see Ainge helping other teams stay under the tax line and collecting even more assets before the trade dealine by using the trade exceptions. Ainge is a genius.

For example: Trade Bass for Bargnani and a 1st round pick. Celtics help the Knicks stay out of the luxury tax and the Celtics get an expiring contract and another 1st round pick. (P.S. this is just an example).

I think Ainge will be looking for these type of deals at the trade deadline.

Someone correct me if my cap logic is wrong.

That's occurred to me, but it's hard to predict the likelihood when we don't know which teams are losing money..

[rickrolled]

Ainge has plenty of room under the luxury tax line. Celtics can't go over $77 million and right now Ainge is at $65+ million. Going over the tax line is a big no no in the NBA. I can see Ainge helping other teams stay under the tax line and collecting even more assets before the trade dealine by using the trade exceptions. Ainge is a genius.

For example: Trade Bass for Bargnani and a 1st round pick. Celtics help the Knicks stay out of the luxury tax and the Celtics get an expiring contract and another 1st round pick. (P.S. this is just an example).

I think Ainge will be looking for these type of deals at the trade deadline.

Someone correct me if my cap logic is wrong.

If Ainge was able to dump both Bass, Thornton for no or little salary returning(expiring) then we can use the Rondo TPE and maybe even the Wright TPE, then going the cap space route after july 1st and sign a max FA.

Obviousely using 18 million on those 2 alone would eat into any potential cap space, but it looks like we might be 30 million under the cap, so stretching Wallace or trading his contract in the offseason opens up another 7-10 million...