Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[Afam]

Hold on. So are we getting two first round picks for Jeff Green ? or just one ?

One. Caveman was saying that Danny originally was holding onto Green unless he got 2 picks, but the one he settled for is likely to be better than what he would of got had he "settled" for 2 picks.

Got it . Thanks for clarification.

[Afam]

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[celtxman]

Knicks need to cut $3.3 million to avoid the luxury tax. Prince for Bargs works in the trade checker and shaves $3.8 million for NYK. I believe that would create a $3.8 mil. TPE for Boston. No idea what else NYK can send...

And there we have it....after all of these trades ...FINALLY......with Bargs we'll have secured that Top 5 overall pick so many have clamored for ...and #1 overall to boot... Make it happen Danny! Go Banner 18!!

[Egregiousness]

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very interesting quote. I'm not sure if that is more directed toward Rondo or Green, but i have to think its both. It's obvious both players goals this year were personal stats and they have said as much.

[Captain_Caveman]

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And if your voice is being snuffed out by the likes of Jeff Green, maybe you're just a big Sally.

[SmartWentCrazy]

What are the odds that the Celtics improve record wise after trading Green? His advanced stats indicate he's been a strong net negative on the team and he had a large volume of minutes. An increase for Smart and Crowder (who has been a large positive per his career advanced stats) could actually improve the team. Could this hurt the tanking efforts?

[darrendaye]

I would also prefer to give Austin a chance to see what he can do under Stevens over adding another second round pick. We can pretty much get a second round pick anytime we want.

Depending upon what happens with next season's roster, it's possible they could take on another developmental project. Stevens has has enough unknowns on his plate already, and why add a circus as well (Hi, Jeremiah). Rather open a few slots to add a couple of D-Leaguers later in the season to those 1 year plus unguarnteed years type contracts and see if they can find a surprise there for this year. Especially whe/if Thortnton gets traded or bought out.

There's no guarantee's that happens though. The entire idea here is to see if he can show signs of being the player he was meant to be due to moving to a new team and playing for a guy like Brad, who has shown he can make hte most out of a lot of these guys that come in labeled as garbage(Crawford, Zeller, Turner). If he goes to the Clippers and plays well there we won't get an opportunity to do what you mentioned. Hell we can at least give him a few weeks as back up PG to see what he does. After that if he shows nothing give him to his father for a second rounder right before the deadline.

The difference in circumstance is that Rivers is a free agent after the season. All the other developmental projects you mention were under the Celtics control the following season so they had an opportunity to cash in on the time and effort involved in reclamating them. This is why I'd prefer d-league option to mine for underultilized talent to tap.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

What are the odds that the Celtics improve record wise after trading Green? His advanced stats indicate he's been a strong net negative on the team and he had a large volume of minutes. An increase for Smart and Crowder (who has been a large positive per his career advanced stats) could actually improve the team. Could this hurt the tanking efforts?

I think so man. We'll see. But Crowder and Smart together on the floor is hell for opposing offenses. I can only see our defensive stats getting better from here on out and that's going to mean wins.

[brackdan70]

What are the odds that the Celtics improve record wise after trading Green? His advanced stats indicate he's been a strong net negative on the team and he had a large volume of minutes. An increase for Smart and Crowder (who has been a large positive per his career advanced stats) could actually improve the team. Could this hurt the tanking efforts?

I think the Cs would have been been about the same record wise even if we had kept Rondo and Green....around 30 wins...If we start winning games on the up coming west coast road trip...then its time to que up the wrecked tank GIF.

[JohnB]

Depending upon what happens with next season's roster, it's possible they could take on another developmental project. Stevens has has enough unknowns on his plate already, and why add a circus as well (Hi, Jeremiah). Rather open a few slots to add a couple of D-Leaguers later in the season to those 1 year plus unguarnteed years type contracts and see if they can find a surprise there for this year. Especially whe/if Thortnton gets traded or bought out.

There's no guarantee's that happens though. The entire idea here is to see if he can show signs of being the player he was meant to be due to moving to a new team and playing for a guy like Brad, who has shown he can make hte most out of a lot of these guys that come in labeled as garbage(Crawford, Zeller, Turner). If he goes to the Clippers and plays well there we won't get an opportunity to do what you mentioned. Hell we can at least give him a few weeks as back up PG to see what he does. After that if he shows nothing give him to his father for a second rounder right before the deadline.

The difference in circumstance is that Rivers is a free agent after the season. All the other developmental projects you mention were under the Celtics control the following season so they had an opportunity to cash in on the time and effort involved in reclamating them. This is why I'd prefer d-league option to mine for underultilized talent to tap.

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[Banks2Pierce]

What are the odds that the Celtics improve record wise after trading Green? His advanced stats indicate he's been a strong net negative on the team and he had a large volume of minutes. An increase for Smart and Crowder (who has been a large positive per his career advanced stats) could actually improve the team. Could this hurt the tanking efforts?

From John Schuhmann of NBA.com



Yes, I think this is possible. I've been wondering for a while now if our youth are already better than people assume and are kind of being held back by the average vets. It's a good test. A lot of people are suggesting that trading guys is Danny's attempt at stripping the team and making us bottom out even more, but I see it as cutting bait and collecting assets for guys that were going to have to walk because of their next contract. We'll see.

[KGboss]

Cutting both Rondo and Green and sending them off to established teams was the best thing for this team.

We will still probably lose games but I still wouldnt be surprised if we snuck into the playoffs with Detroit while teams like Brooklyn and Charlotte either fall or stay out. We will see but ive been saying all year these guys are holding the team back and it made no sense to play some of our guys the way they were. Crowder and Young backing him up is a great start to filling Greens shoes, and could end up being the better solution.

[ryaningf]

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Very akin to the comments Ainge made about Antoine's "grasp" on the locker room following to trade to the Mavs.

The interplay of egos in a group setting has always been interesting stuff to me. Given the variety of combinations that can be assembled, you can use this type of reasoning to justify any alteration: if guys' voices are being snuffed out, that's either reason to remove the commanding voice (to let everyone else flower) or to remove the passive voice (because as Captain points out letting your voice get snuffed by Jeff Green isn't exactly encouraging for your ability to follow or lead). I mean, I doubt Ainge had much problem with KG's voice snuffing out every punk bitch Ainge brought in (like POB or JO or Von Wafer) but now when he needs justification to trade his vet voices it becomes part of the calculation? IMO, it's just another way of saying we're going in a different direction, a longer direction, and in that kind of journey vet voices become counterproductive to the team's development if they can't get behind the development (i.e., the losing) aspect. Snuffing out a young guy's dumb voice on a winning team is seen as good tough love, doing the same on a losing team is seen as ultimately counterproductive even if the vets voices are saying all the right things.

[humblebum]

Cutting both Rondo and Green and sending them off to established teams was the best thing for this team.

We will still probably lose games but I still wouldnt be surprised if we snuck into the playoffs with Detroit while teams like Brooklyn and Charlotte either fall or stay out. We will see but ive been saying all year these guys are holding the team back and it made no sense to play some of our guys the way they were. Crowder and Young backing him up is a great start to filling Greens shoes, and could end up being the better solution.

Definitely very much a possibility this team improves. Just getting Rondo's lazy butt outta the lineup is huge and I think there is potential that the offense works more fluidly without trying to integrate Jeff Green's quirky "right hand only" offense.

Effort is infectious. We are largely replacing Rondo and Green, both questionable effort guys, for Smart and Crowder. High energy, physical guys.

More touches for Turner/Bradley late in games (where Rondo was just epically and embarrassingly bad) is also a plus. We lose Green's late game shot making, but replace that with better defense and more hustle with Crowder.

[djFan71]

Ainge seems to be continuing his passive aggressive post partum digs trend. With Rondo it was they wanted "stars who contribute to winning", now it's "voices snuffing out others" (implying the loud voice isn't saying what he wants). There was some stuff with Doc too if I remember right. He seems to be pretty classy overall with the trades, but then will sneak in something offhand to help justify things which isn't really needed in my opinion.

[Captain_Caveman]

What are the odds that the Celtics improve record wise after trading Green? His advanced stats indicate he's been a strong net negative on the team and he had a large volume of minutes. An increase for Smart and Crowder (who has been a large positive per his career advanced stats) could actually improve the team. Could this hurt the tanking efforts?

From John Schuhmann of NBA.com



Yes, I think this is possible. I've been wondering for a while now if our youth are already better than people assume and are kind of being held back by the average vets. It's a good test. A lot of people are suggesting that trading guys is Danny's attempt at stripping the team and making us bottom out even more, but I see it as cutting bait and collecting assets for guys that were going to have to walk because of their next contract. We'll see.

I don't think this is that noteworthy. We were deep with legit role players but our starters were outclassed. That's not going to get better now that more of our former bench is starting and our bench is less deep.

[FlatearthZorro]

I'll say it again. Ainge is not buying out anyone until after the trade deadline. Absolutely no reason to do it before then. Players can be used to help facilitate trades.

You may be correct, but I don't agree.

One win can be the difference between Joel Embiid and Marcus Smart (no offense to Smart). If hanging onto a vet to get a second rounder causes us to fall even 1 draft slot, then it's a completely stupid move.

Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but Embiid is a 20 years old 7 footer with a major foot injury, already, who hasn't done anything in this league yet! So I'm not sure what the difference between Embiid and Smart is, this is to be determined...

They way Philly have been drafting, they could be in the lottery for the next decade, they got a paper thin center, 2 high risk- high reward players, both Embiid and the kid from Boston can bust....(any1 can, but considering their injuries they got higher than average chance of busting).

[jfs1000d]

Rondo and green gave up here. What more do we want?

[Slartibartfast]

Rondo and green gave up here. What more do we want?

I don't think that's accurate. Green was having a very good year up to the Rondo trade (after which he completely went in the tank, but can you blame him when the team broadcast to the world that he was as good as gone?) and Rondo was hardly dogging it (the efficiency issues were obviously not effort related given his continuing struggles in Dallas and his contract year motivation) - the guy was leading the league in assists and putting up triple doubles.

The Ainge quote refers to clearing out veteran leaders to make room for young guys to take on a leadership role and take ownership of the team.

[humblebum]

Rondo and green gave up here. What more do we want?

I don't think that's accurate. Green was having a very good year up to the Rondo trade (after which he completely went in the tank, but can you blame him when the team broadcast to the world that he was as good as gone?) and Rondo was hardly dogging it (the efficiency issues were obviously not effort related given his continuing struggles in Dallas and his contract year motivation) - the guy was leading the league in assists and putting up triple doubles.

The Ainge quote refers to clearing out veteran leaders to make room for young guys to take on a leadership role and take ownership of the team.

Rondo was just all around awful the past two seasons. Last year he played abominable basketball and this year he was clearly stat padding rebounds and assists while just proving how terrible of an offensive weapon he truly is. Some of that is effort related, some of it is just his lack of ability offensively.

I think Rondo and Green simply didn't take any ownership, for their flaws, or the fact that they were playing lazy and uninspired ball, but in Green's defense, he's basically always been that guy. These guys weren't executing or even attempting to execute Coach Stevens strategies with half the effort that Bradley, Smart and Crowder have been.

They were guys going through the motions and Ainge sold them off for chips. It is what it is. History is history. I appreciate Ainge for putting a little whiff of the truth out there and I'm happy the team has finally moved on and committed to these young players.