Other teams are pursuing Afflalo...NOT the Bulls

[TheStig]

You wouldnt give that advise if you were a Financial consultant for the ownership group.

If you did, they would move onto the next consultant.

Christ almighty, we are talking about Aaron Afflalo --- he is a needle mover. But how much and how relevant is it to putting us over the mythical hump?

The real hump is Rose + Noah + defense.

What financial consultant would ever advise a client to purchase a sports team as a primary investment? The one who did that would have never been hired in the first place.

We aren't talking about bluechip stocks here. This is a hobby for most owners. Not their primary or secondary source of income. Most don't want to spend into a hole and the bulls wouldn't me. They'd still easily be in the top 20% percentile of profits with Afflalo on a long term deal. Furthermore, between the raised revenues of a longer playoff run, Afflalo's salary would barely be noticeable in the Bulls profit and loss this year.

Say, you are making a presentation to the ownership group (lets get specific, Irwin Mandel --- Bulls CFO).

What is your pitch to get him to sign off on the Afflalo spend for this half season while losing 2-3 assets of the cheaper variety (a returning Dunleavy and future draft picks)?

Irwin's gonna look at Thibs and GarPax and ask "How badly do you need Afflalo guys?" You think GarPax + Thibs are gonna say "We desperately need him?".

I dont think so.

Yes I would. The move is largely salary neutral this year. It improves a team on the cusp. It could lead to additional revenue with a longer playoff run or championship.

And there are not multiple assets lost. There is exactly one. A first round pick. And much like Snell and Teague there is no gaurntee it becomes an asset. Late 1st picks are far from home runs. Furthermore, I'd point out with the roster largely set for last year, there isn't room for 2 first round picks.

[Rerisen]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

[musiqsoulchild]

Nope.

You arent looking at it like the financial folks would. See below:

Newsflash, Fans are not 'financial folks'. Our objective (well most of us) are interested in building the best team possible not the best profit team.

Giving these financial perspective arguments is really tedious and irrelevant.

If all the Bulls cared about was the bottom line, they need to dump Derrick for any expiring they can find. It's pretty obvious he is highly unlikely to ever be worth that contract again.

But there are always more things to consider in reality.

Thinking the entire fanbase is going to analyze every and any potential move in some abstract dollar to dollar return fashion, as if that is a fan's highest priority, is nonsensical. Even the team isn't that cutthroat about profits. They've had opportunities to cut money in the past to save, at some smaller cost to talent, and have not done it. So we see there are points in the road where they will make sacrifices for the good of the team's competitive nature. We just want them to do it more often.

You are making it black and white.

Its always grey. Especially in the winter.

[musiqsoulchild]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

Completely understandable for a less storied franchise like the Heat. They would make more...as it is new found marketing potential.

Bulls are tapped out in terms of marketing potential...they had their dynasty, their MJ, their super-team and now Rose + Noah.

It wont matter as much to us if we just make the ECF's or if we made it to the Finals. Let alone winning it.

Now, Reinsdorf + GarPax + Thibs + players ...they all want to win. Also, human behavior. After all they dont do what they do on a daily basis just to pore over some accounting data.

By which I mean, if the right deal is there then it gets done.

[Rerisen]

Completely understandable for a less storied franchise like the Heat. They would make more...as it is new found marketing potential.

Bulls are tapped out in terms of marketing potential...they had their dynasty, their MJ, their super-team and now Rose + Noah.

It wont matter as much to us if we just make the ECF's or if we made it to the Finals. Let alone winning it.

Now, Reinsdorf + GarPax + Thibs + players ...they all want to win. Also, human behavior. After all they dont do what they do on a daily basis just to pore over some accounting data.

By which I mean, if the right deal is there then it gets done.

Michael is much more in charge than in the past, there has been evidence he is more interested in the well being of the team's on court success vs his father, who preferred more to put his winning desires on his baseball team, while the basketball team had more of a profit motive.

We can hope, and we'll see.

[musiqsoulchild]

Completely understandable for a less storied franchise like the Heat. They would make more...as it is new found marketing potential.

Bulls are tapped out in terms of marketing potential...they had their dynasty, their MJ, their super-team and now Rose + Noah.

It wont matter as much to us if we just make the ECF's or if we made it to the Finals. Let alone winning it.

Now, Reinsdorf + GarPax + Thibs + players ...they all want to win. Also, human behavior. After all they dont do what they do on a daily basis just to pore over some accounting data.

By which I mean, if the right deal is there then it gets done.

Michael is much more in charge than in the past, there has been evidence he is more interested in the well being of the team's on court success vs his father, who preferred more to put his winning desires on his baseball team, while the basketball team had more of a profit motive.

We can hope, and we'll see.

I would hope for the same as well but will completely understand if it doesnt.

[TheStig]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

Completely understandable for a less storied franchise like the Heat. They would make more...as it is new found marketing potential.

Bulls are tapped out in terms of marketing potential...they had their dynasty, their MJ, their super-team and now Rose + Noah.

It wont matter as much to us if we just make the ECF's or if we made it to the Finals. Let alone winning it.

Now, Reinsdorf + GarPax + Thibs + players ...they all want to win. Also, human behavior. After all they dont do what they do on a daily basis just to pore over some accounting data.

By which I mean, if the right deal is there then it gets done.

First, how does one tap out on marketing potential with less than a 100%? I would point out that the Heat were coming off a championship a few years before. That logic would apply more to a team like the Mavericks than the heat. The Lakers also suscribed to that same worth of a championship, they continually spent for a contender.

Second, they would certainly see a big increase in marketing. Ever champion does, not just the Heat.

Third, its been 15 years since the dynasty ended. Lots of younger fans didn't see MJ play and haven't even watched the highlights cause they arne't HD.

It matters, there is an impact and this is a minimum risk. By not taking a chance, you're pretty much saying you don't care if you win or lose, you're just happy collecting money.

[musiqsoulchild]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

Completely understandable for a less storied franchise like the Heat. They would make more...as it is new found marketing potential.

Bulls are tapped out in terms of marketing potential...they had their dynasty, their MJ, their super-team and now Rose + Noah.

It wont matter as much to us if we just make the ECF's or if we made it to the Finals. Let alone winning it.

Now, Reinsdorf + GarPax + Thibs + players ...they all want to win. Also, human behavior. After all they dont do what they do on a daily basis just to pore over some accounting data.

By which I mean, if the right deal is there then it gets done.

First, how does one tap out on marketing potential with less than a 100%? I would point out that the Heat were coming off a championship a few years before. That logic would apply more to a team like the Mavericks than the heat. The Lakers also suscribed to that same worth of a championship, they continually spent for a contender.

Second, they would certainly see a big increase in marketing. Ever champion does, not just the Heat.

Third, its been 15 years since the dynasty ended. Lots of younger fans didn't see MJ play and haven't even watched the highlights cause they arne't HD.

It matters, there is an impact and this is a minimum risk. By not taking a chance, you're pretty much saying you don't care if you win or lose, you're just happy collecting money.

No comment.

[Leslie Forman]

What financial consultant would ever advise a client to purchase a sports team as a primary investment?

If I was, I would. It seems like no matter what you do, the value of the franchise will go up, sometimes astronomically so.

It's like if you could buy a mansion, paint it bright pink and turn it into a crack house/brothel/squatter haven/dog poop depository and you'll still make hundreds of millions if you ever sell it again. It's the safest goddamn investment you can make these days.

[TheStig]

What financial consultant would ever advise a client to purchase a sports team as a primary investment?

If I was, I would. It seems like no matter what you do, the value of the franchise will go up, sometimes astronomically so.

It's like if you could buy a mansion, paint it bright pink and turn it into a crack house/brothel/squatter haven/dog poop depository and you'll still make hundreds of millions if you ever sell it again. It's the safest goddamn investment you can make these days.

Prior to the lockout it was reported that 22 teams lost a combined 300 million dollars. It wasn't a very good investment till the new CBA. Most of the owners of small market teams went through hard times. It wasn't a good investment.

[jcuuofd]

The Bulls should try to trade for Wilson Chandler. I'd give up Snell, a first round pick, and the Kings pick for him. He would be a good fit for the Bulls.

[RememberLu]

has anyone here tried twitter bombing Swirsky, K.C. Johnson, Aggrey sam, Nick Friedell, or anyone like that in regards to asking why the Bulls aren't pursuing Afflalo?

[kingkirk]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

2 titles didn't stop them from shipping out contracts like Miller and Anthony so Arison could avoid a chunk of the luxury tax.

[musiqsoulchild]

According to analysis of the Heat's titles, a championship is worth potentially in the tens of millions of dollars. Factoring the home playoff games, direct payout of the league for certain accomplishments, merchandising revenue, franchise value, etc.

It's just a matter of how big of risk taking stones do you have to go for that big payoff. Some teams have more than others.

2 titles didn't stop them from shipping out contracts like Miller and Anthony so Arison could avoid a chunk of the luxury tax.

Not to mention that they fired a bunch of workers in their ticket offices as soon as they sold out for the next few years.

Such is life in the hard, cold world of business.

Arison is a worse owner than Reinsdorf in terms of spendiness btw. I mean he essentially played a pivotal part in the breaking up of a team that could have won even more titles.

He made the calculation that it was not worth it. Thats something to think about for fellow posters who think winning titles is primary and making money is secondary.

[AhUtopian]

Can we use our TE(iirc it's abt 2m) trade for or sign one expiring contract,then package it with snell and other vet-mins to match the salary for W.Chandler or Afflalo?

[RememberLu]

Don't worry guys, I just tweeted my old pals Friedell, Aggrey and Mark Schanowski. They'll get to the bottom of this.

[kodo]

Afflalo has been a hot commodity, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls simply can't make the best offer with their picks.