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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#701 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:56 am

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1UPZ wrote:I would trade Dragic and Green for Hayward.

Because both are either expiring or can opt out, their values are slightly lower than if they were signed long term.

Hayward can be the play making do it all SF suns can use.


The only person they MIGHT trade Hayward for is Bledsoe, since some of their guys are in their 5th year as well, and Exum may take a few years (and may work better as a 2 anyway though Quin Snyder has already played Exum and Burke together and has also said he just thinks of them as guards). Burke is probably a career backup.

But then of course they'd have a hole to fill at the 3, so it doesn't make a ton of sense if they feel they can develop slowly given the toughness of the WC anyway.

Nah, I guess the more I think about it they wouldn't trade him for Bledsoe either. We at least would need to add Green or something and then still probably not.

Bledsoe, Green, Tucker for Hayward?


Not sure. I don't know if they view Exum as a one or two or if they would play two points together and if they feel Burke is a career backup at best (which is probably true). If they wanted to be more competive immediately, it would be worth it for them, but long term, probably not, because an Exum/Hayward/Favors threesome could be up there with combos like Lillard/Batum/Aldridge, etc.

I probably wouldn't do that deal if I were them. They'd probably want Warren and would maybe add in Burks. That would be tough for me to do, but that's probably why it would be fair...it should be a little tough for both sides.

I'm fine with Bledsoe/Dragic/Warren/Kieff/Len as a starting unit by next year, and then hopefully we draft a big or two and they can give Kieff and even Len some competition as they get better. Like you, I'd love a sharpshooting 2 though. Green can be, but he can be pretty sloppy and sometimes a little selfish, but if there is a good one, we have two picks, and get a good big with one, if we could get sharpshooting 2 with nice size to end up being a first guard off the bench, that would be nice.

He could play with either guard and it would be nice to have someone who wouldn't mind just spotting up and not having to dribble a ton if need be, unless of course they were good at it like when we had JJ there, or even JRich. Hopefully Archie is developing is outside shot. Maybe they have told him he will get time once he develops a respectable outside shot. You don't want people not to respect him or guard him allowing them to double team others.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#702 » by Eney » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:37 am

What is up with there is no true point guard on this team?? Dragic ran the team great last year, this year he is playing SG so he is not doing any playmaking, Bledsoe is as good as you can get at the PG spot currently, there are not many playmaking PG better then them in the league at least not attainable ones, not every team has Chris Paul or Rondo,... Parker also is not a pure point and the spurs have been doing just fine since he is there :P

What you are saying about Bledsoe and Dragić is just plain dumb. Yes the Suns dont have a great offensive system, that is either Hornys fault or there are just to many guards on the team who are use to having the ball in their hands.

We need to trade IT ASAP let Dragić and Bledsoe run the point like last year and give Green consistent minutes so he doesent feel he needs to shoot everytime he touches the ball. Even if we give IT away I dont think the team is any worse. He is a black hole on offense. We already have our 6th man in Green and sending him away means Dragić can play some point again and maybe Ennis gets a few minutes PT.

I do agree Marcus and PJ are bouth backup players and the 3 position needs to be upgraded but I dont see anyone that we can trade for, that would be worthwile trading for,...

If we dont intend to re-sign Dragić, we plan on sticking with IT (which I think is a mistake), then a trade will happen otherwise I doubt there is a trade coming this year,...

All the talk about Cousins and Anthony is useles they are not gonna be traded.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#703 » by DaleyBlind » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:51 am

Thomas, Plumlee for Deng...
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#704 » by Son of Ra » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:00 am

Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#705 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:04 am

Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do that deal in a vacuum, but Noah isn't looking like what we really need right now. Len is developing well and Wright is looking promising. If we do that deal, we lose a lot of depth, as I still think Archie/Tyler are a year away.

I like what we've got right now. I say stay the course.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#706 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:09 am

I don't think Bulls would trade Noah unless a much better trade came up nothing would intrigue them from Phoenix though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#707 » by Son of Ra » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:26 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do that deal in a vacuum, but Noah isn't looking like what we really need right now. Len is developing well and Wright is looking promising. If we do that deal, we lose a lot of depth, as I still think Archie/Tyler are a year away.

I like what we've got right now. I say stay the course.

Well I honestly think that our team would look/looks much better without these guys in the rotation. IT is a pretty good player but bad fit here. Most here think Green will be gone after the season anyways and while yes, he can help us in many games I think his minutes could easily be spread out over the remaining roster and adequately replaced. Plumlee is a salary toss-in, Wright should instantly get all his minutes.
So if Noah is injured, it doesn't hurt us (because of above reasoning) but if he is healthy we would be contenders. Yes he is best at C, but he can play the PF. Len has range as well. A front-court rotation of Noah-Len-Wright would be incredible. Our back-court is set too, if Ennis and Warren turn out we are scary. Not to mention that we have the LAL 1st as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#708 » by carey » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:59 am

Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?


Yes, where do I sign?
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#709 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:02 am

Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do it. Noah is a top 5 C in the league and he's also a very smart basketball player. If you can get him for that little, you do it.

Yeah you'll have an issue with minutes at the C now that we have Len and Wright, but I'd still do it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#710 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:04 am

Son of Ra wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do that deal in a vacuum, but Noah isn't looking like what we really need right now. Len is developing well and Wright is looking promising. If we do that deal, we lose a lot of depth, as I still think Archie/Tyler are a year away.

I like what we've got right now. I say stay the course.

Well I honestly think that our team would look/looks much better without these guys in the rotation. IT is a pretty good player but bad fit here. Most here think Green will be gone after the season anyways and while yes, he can help us in many games I think his minutes could easily be spread out over the remaining roster and adequately replaced. Plumlee is a salary toss-in, Wright should instantly get all his minutes.
So if Noah is injured, it doesn't hurt us (because of above reasoning) but if he is healthy we would be contenders. Yes he is best at C, but he can play the PF. Len has range as well. A front-court rotation of Noah-Len-Wright would be incredible. Our back-court is set too, if Ennis and Warren turn out we are scary. Not to mention that we have the LAL 1st as well.

Entirely valid, but with IT and Green gone, we're banking on Archie, Tyler and TJ to step up big right away, which I'm not quite sure they're ready for. Then we have the weird balancing act of Noah/Len/Wright at center. Although having 3 centers who deserve minutes isn't the worst problem to have, it is a problem nonetheless.

Bledsoe/Tyler
Goran/Archie/Zoran
PJ/Marcus/TJ
Kieff/Marcus/Wright
Noah/Len/Wright

I'm not sure we're better off than we are now. Despite all the flack IT and Green get, they'll get you a game here or there, which essentially gives us 5 guys who can put us over the top on any given night (Bled, Goran, Green, IT and Kieff). Without them, we'd better be damn sure Goran, Bled and Kieff can get theirs every night.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#711 » by DaleyBlind » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:58 am

Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?


Id rather just keep rolling with Len as a starter. Len is going to be such a good player in the near future.

Forgot to say - I wouldn't do it, I like Len getting 30+ minutes a night. Plus Noah hasn't been the same Noah this year. It also depletes or Guard depth.
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Post#712 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:28 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do it. Noah is a top 5 C in the league and he's also a very smart basketball player. If you can get him for that little, you do it.

Yeah you'll have an issue with minutes at the C now that we have Len and Wright, but I'd still do it.


LMAO, I posted the same exact trade several pages ago and you laughed at it, saying I don't know how valuable Noah is. I even stated how his trade value is a bit low because he hasn't performed well this year with his injury and Pau's emergence. Now its a deal you would do? :roll: :lol:
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Post#713 » by thamadkant » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:39 am

If Noah continues to play below his usual AND Rose continue to be "meh"...
I can see Bulls make a reinforcement move..

Noah for Thomas, Green and Plumlee (as mentioned by a few posters already lol)

C: Len / Wright
PF: Noah / Morris
SF: Tucker / Morris / Warren
SG: Dragic / Goodwin / Tucker
PG: Bledsoe / Ennis

Make Kieff a SUPER-SUB or even some minutes at the 3 spot.

But the back court becomes a bit thin for a team trying to advance in the playoffs, need a veteran to rotate with Goodwin and Ennis off the bench (Tucker perhaps can play some SG).
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#714 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:07 am

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Son of Ra wrote:Just posted it in the Bulls forum but curious what you guys think, does:

Noah - IT, Green, Plumlee, Phx 1st

sound fair/appealing?

I'd do it. Noah is a top 5 C in the league and he's also a very smart basketball player. If you can get him for that little, you do it.

Yeah you'll have an issue with minutes at the C now that we have Len and Wright, but I'd still do it.


LMAO, I posted the same exact trade several pages ago and you laughed at it, saying I don't know how valuable Noah is. I even stated how his trade value is a bit low because he hasn't performed well this year with his injury and Pau's emergence. Now its a deal you would do? :roll: :lol:

Of course it's a deal I would do, I would do your deal too but neither would ever happen because Noah is worth 10x what is on offer there.

Also for that matter, I don't see Noah's trade value being any lower than it's been because of Pau and his down year.

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Post#715 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:15 am

1UPZ wrote:If Noah continues to play below his usual AND Rose continue to be "meh"...
I can see Bulls make a reinforcement move..


Noah for Thomas, Green and Plumlee (as mentioned by a few posters already lol)

C: Len / Wright
PF: Noah / Morris
SF: Tucker / Morris / Warren
SG: Dragic / Goodwin / Tucker
PG: Bledsoe / Ennis

Make Kieff a SUPER-SUB or even some minutes at the 3 spot.

But the back court becomes a bit thin for a team trying to advance in the playoffs, need a veteran to rotate with Goodwin and Ennis off the bench (Tucker perhaps can play some SG).

I don't see it. He carried the team with his playmaking and defense while Rose was rehabing his knees. He's the heart and soul of that team and he's a big man you can win a championship with. I just don't think he's gonna be a guy they look at moving just because he's having a down year after signing Gasol.
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Post#716 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:48 am

1UPZ wrote:If Noah continues to play below his usual AND Rose continue to be "meh"...
I can see Bulls make a reinforcement move..

Noah for Thomas, Green and Plumlee (as mentioned by a few posters already lol)

C: Len / Wright
PF: Noah / Morris
SF: Tucker / Morris / Warren
SG: Dragic / Goodwin / Tucker
PG: Bledsoe / Ennis

Make Kieff a SUPER-SUB or even some minutes at the 3 spot.

But the back court becomes a bit thin for a team trying to advance in the playoffs, need a veteran to rotate with Goodwin and Ennis off the bench (Tucker perhaps can play some SG).


Exactly. Yeah, we lose a ton of depth at guard, but our bench isn't exactly suffering as Kieff goes to the bench and provides that "spark". Additionally, who knows what Goodwin can do against opposing teams bench, maybe he'll kill and be an assassin himself. We also have Zoran on the deep end of the bench as well. In my scenario we probably have to take back Aaron Brooks, I initially said him or Kirk Hinrich, but I think the Bulls are gonna keep Hinrich, just because he's been there for quite some time.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#717 » by Revived » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:57 am

Noah hasn't been very good since returning from injury. Ask Bulls fans, most of them are frustrated with his play.

His trade value may not be as high as we think, he could be attainable.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#718 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:06 am

SF88 wrote:Noah hasn't been very good since returning from injury. Ask Bulls fans, most of them are frustrated with his play.

His trade value may not be as high as we think, he could be attainable.

Oh a team with championship aspirations and a championship calibre roster, there's very little leeway when you're not performing and fan frustration is understandable. However, whereas pre-injury Noah was untouchable, the Bulls may listen to offers for post-injury Noah but I still don't believe they would take a cent less than his full value.
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Post#719 » by King4Day » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:47 pm

I'd only want Noah so we could later spin him somewhere else. I'd rather Len continue to develop.

You can't have Len and Noah both starting. We already see how ugly things get when Len and Wright are in together.
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Post#720 » by King4Day » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:52 pm

I bet the Cavs can't wait until Love officially opts in. If he does it soon, like Howard did with Orlando, I could see them looking to cash him in asap.
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