Getting rid of Natie might make sense but how

JerrySloan · Post #1 » by **JerrySloan** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:05 pm

does getting Nelson make any?

If Nate was considered a locker room problem, okay, but he wasn't one in pretty much the same situation last year in Chicago. That could say something about coaches, Thibideau versus Shaw.

How does replacing him with Nelson who is at the end of his career effectively AND who has a player option next year make any sense in a supposed rebuilding/reshaping the roster situation?

skywalker33 · Post #2 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:40 pm

Nate had limited on never used PG skills, was complaining about minutes...not a good influence to this squad. Nelson is a true professional and we needed a backup PG to spell Lawson. All Nate wanted to do was showcase his shooting skills.

Nuggets18 · Post #3 » by **Nuggets18** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:57 pm

1) Nelson is better than Nate
2) You always need a backup PG. Maybe Ty doesnt have to play 40mpg anymore
3) We would most likely have had to overpay for an equally bad Nate replacement in the summer. Look at the deal jodie meeks got for example
4) Jameer's 3mill expiring will be a nice trading chip next season. Much better than the more longterm deal we would have to give a backup PG if we were to replace nate trough FA
5) I guess TC and the scouts dont really like any of the PG's in this years draft class

Shame we didnt get a 2nd round pick. But we all knew Nate didnt have any value, and trading him is addition by subtraction

Nuggets18 · Post #4 » by **Nuggets18** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:59 pm

it would also make it easier for me to part ways with lawson (if the right deal came along). not having to see nate play 35mpg

Joel Embust · Post #5 » by **Joel Embust** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:13 pm

Having a true point guard run the second unit will pay dividends.

Also hope there will be more minutes available to Harris soon. Need to trade Foye as soon as he's put up some numbers.

JerrySloan · Post #6 » by **JerrySloan** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:27 pm

Man, I cannot disagree more.

First of all, in his last 124 starts over two years for the Magic and 23 starts this year for Dallas, Nelson has not managed a FG% of more than 39% while averaging a pathetic 1 PPS.

Secondly, IF HE WANTS TO, he can choose to stay a Nugget next year for 3.250,000. Or, of course, they can dump him and pay him that amount, which I doubt they would do.

Finally, anyone thinks that he is even a serviceable starting PG for a legitimate contender - which Connelly is supposedly looking to build needs to think again. HARD!

Powder Blue · Post #7 » by **Powder Blue** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:53 pm

JerrySloan wrote:Man, I cannot disagree more.

First of all, in his last 124 starts over two years for the Magic and 23 starts this year for Dallas, Nelson has not managed a FG% of more than 39% while averaging a pathetic 1 PPS.

Secondly, IF HE WANTS TO, he can choose to stay a Nugget next year for 3.250,000. Or, of course, they can dump him and pay him that amount, which I doubt they would do.

Finally, anyone thinks that he is even a serviceable starting PG for a legitimate contender - which Connelly is supposedly looking to build needs to think again. HARD!

Who said Nelson was brought in here to be a starting PG? He was brought in to be a backup PG. Nelson is a way better PG than Nate. Nelson wasn't brought in to score, he was brought in to facilitate and he is a much better facilitator than Nate. Nate has never averaged more than 4.5 assists a game and just last season Nelson averaged 7.

This wasn't mean't to be a championship move...Just a move for a better backup PG.

Post #8 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:01 am

JerrySloan wrote:Man, I cannot disagree more.

First of all, in his last 124 starts over two years for the Magic and 23 starts this year for Dallas, Nelson has not managed a FG% of more than 39% while averaging a pathetic 1 PPS.

Secondly, IF HE WANTS TO, he can choose to stay a Nugget next year for 3.250,000. Or, of course, they can dump him and pay him that amount, which I doubt they would do.

Finally, anyone thinks that he is even a serviceable starting PG for a legitimate contender - which Connelly is supposedly looking to build needs to think again. HARD!

HE is not going to be a starting PG, he is going to be a backup PG for 15 MPG or so, and is a veteran who works hard and has a good attitude, what more do you want from a backup PG?

Post #9 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:22 am

Nuggets18 wrote:it would also make it easier for me to part ways with lawson (if the right deal came along). not having to see nate play 35mpg

They did not trade for Nelson with the idea that they could dump Lawson, from all indications they may be giving up on this year but fully intend to be in the playoffs next year, meaning they get a backup to save minutes off Lawson and have a decent veteran PG for a playoff run next season.

Eleqtrique wrote:Having a true point guard run the second unit will pay dividends.

Also hope there will be more minutes available to Harris soon. Need to trade Foye as soon as he's put up some numbers.

Harris has been getting minutes the last handful of games, and will likely get plenty of minutes after Afflalo is traded. But I am 90% sure that 1 of Afflalo or Foye will be gone by the trade deadline.

pickaxe · Post #10 » by **pickaxe** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:43 am

Eh....Foye would be a third point guard the way he is used typically. We need to be patient with Afflalo and realize with all of our other pieces he does exactly what we need.

Getting too greedy will hurt us long term. Afflalo is solid, dedicated, professional, hits shots. Let's give Danilo & McGee a chance to actually see the team that we originally wanted to put together. Does it take patience? Yeah.......all good things do.

Idk man when it's a revolving door after you get what you want sometimes you might want to think that maybe having a happy trigger finger on trades is exactly what keeps hurting us. Great trades? Yes. Trades just because we're itching.....eh, no.

JerrySloan · Post #11 » by **JerrySloan** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:13 am

The question is do you think the Nuggets have ANY shot at making the POs this year?

If the answer is no - as I certainly believe - then you give Harris AND Green the guard minutes to evaluate them in "meaningful" PT. Instead, Foye will return and he, AA, Lawson and Nelson will get ALL the guard minutes.

Why do you "need" a 15 MPG facilitating PG for the rest of this season? Especially one who is about to turn 34 and, guess what, still believes he is good enough to be a starter, as he was for his 23 games with the much better Mavs this year?

Nuggets18 · Post #12 » by **Nuggets18** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:35 pm

The Rebel wrote:
Nuggets18 wrote:it would also make it easier for me to part ways with lawson (if the right deal came along). not having to see nate play 35mpg

They did not trade for Nelson with the idea that they could dump Lawson, from all indications they may be giving up on this year but fully intend to be in the playoffs next year, meaning they get a backup to save minutes off Lawson and have a decent veteran PG for a playoff run next season.

you dont know their intentions and neither do I. but Lawson would most likely have to be a part of any legit superstar trade, if one is ever available

and having jameer backing him up instead of nate would make the desicion easier

still. i dont see us trading lawson, i dont want us too. but it gives us more flexibility