Trade Ideas Thread

[SMTBSI]

I've seen a few posters mention it, and, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that Garnett to OKC and Perkins to BOS hasn't been seriously talked about.

For BK: Saves them literally tens of millions of dollars straight up.
For OKC: Turns Perk into KG. I know they're fond of Perk, but KG backing up Ibaka and Adams doesn't sound like a bad plan.
For BOS: Presumably a couple of 2nds from BK (both 2015 and 2019 would be nice), and a well-protected 1st from OKC.


I'm not any good at valuing picks in trades, but it certainly seems like this could be a win-win for all parties. And maybe the most lucrative way possible for us to use that Rondo TPE without taking back multi-year salary.

And, after everything else, we're also helping KG get to a prime contender.

[FlatearthZorro]

To me right now, there are 2 players, that I'd like to trade from this roster:

1. Avery Bradley, cause of his long contract and game that hasn't improved all that much, if you can get a protected 1st rounder from a contending team, you do it.

2. Thornton, cause he's expiring and not coming back.


All of this to make way for James Young, who didn't know who the Celtics are, before he came into the league(this bugs me, still).... Cause I think Young's potential is tremendous.

I'd find an expiring for Bradley and shave another $8 million off the cap for this offseason. If Bradley's contract and his game is not as bad as his apologists claim it is, then surely there would be some team willing to do that right? I highly doubt it. Thus, that's why that contract pisses me off. We are stuck with this guy unless we trade him for someone else's crap that has 2 or 3 years left on their deals. $8 million in cap space is A LOT OF MONEY to have this offseason instead of being stuck with this one trick pony.

It is? Who we going to spend it on? I doubt we even use all the cap space we already have. This isn't a pro or anti-AB post... I think that is irrelevant. The point is... we don't need that cap space until 2016 and by then the cap will have gone up A LOT. 8 Mil really isn't much in the new NBA. It's like MLE money.

I don't think Bradley carries any value and I certainly don't think he's a part of a future championship team... So letting him go would be a plus for us, imo. We got rid of Green, time for Avery to go. And as BannersOnly wrote, I too am having hard time believing any1 would give up even a very protected 1st rounder for Bradley.

This was a charity contract.

[KevinRiley28]

To me right now, there are 2 players, that I'd like to trade from this roster:

1. Avery Bradley, cause of his long contract and game that hasn't improved all that much, if you can get a protected 1st rounder from a contending team, you do it.

2. Thornton, cause he's expiring and not coming back.


All of this to make way for James Young, who didn't know who the Celtics are, before he came into the league(this bugs me, still).... Cause I think Young's potential is tremendous.

Bradley is the same age as zeller and crowder... He's still young, his salary isn't a killer and if you need to get it off the books in July, there will be interested teams... But I still don't see us as major free agent players so that extra cap space isn't really necessary

[Higgs Boston]

Yes, I think the same, bradley should be traded, but only in the case that celtics can get a superior player and competitive project.

In the summer for example: bradley and asset for dragic.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I've seen a few posters mention it, and, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that Garnett to OKC and Perkins to BOS hasn't been seriously talked about.

For BK: Saves them literally tens of millions of dollars straight up.
For OKC: Turns Perk into KG. I know they're fond of Perk, but KG backing up Ibaka and Adams doesn't sound like a bad plan.
For BOS: Presumably a couple of 2nds from BK (both 2015 and 2019 would be nice), and a well-protected 1st from OKC.


I'm not any good at valuing picks in trades, but it certainly seems like this could be a win-win for all parties. And maybe the most lucrative way possible for us to use that Rondo TPE without taking back multi-year salary.

And, after everything else, we're also helping KG get to a prime contender.

Yeah, great idea- maybe it's too outside the box. I'd rather try to get Jackson or a cheap young player (Teletovic) from Brooklyn.. It puts OKC closer to the tax, though- Perk's owed like 9 million this year, KG's owed 12.

[SMTBSI]

Yeah, great idea- maybe it's too outside the box. I'd rather try to get Jackson or a cheap young player (Teletovic) from Brooklyn.. It puts OKC closer to the tax, though- Perk's owed like 9 million this year, KG's owed 12.

I thought that OKC was already over.

In any case, if that's a problem for them, a simple modification is for OKC to send Collison's last year at 2.2mil to either Boston or BK, if they want. Entirely up to them; either team could take him back no sweat. This makes it almost salary neutral (Perk is 9.7mil)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, great idea- maybe it's too outside the box. I'd rather try to get Jackson or a cheap young player (Teletovic) from Brooklyn.. It puts OKC closer to the tax, though- Perk's owed like 9 million this year, KG's owed 12.

I thought that OKC was already over.

In any case, if that's a problem for them, a simple modification is for OKC to send Collison's last year at 2.2mil to either Boston or BK, if they want. Entirely up to them; either team could take him back no sweat. This makes it almost salary neutral (Perk is 9.7mil)

According to the ESPN trade machine, they're already about 2.2 million over the tax line. Perk for KG alone adds another 2.2 millionths. 2.2 million is also the salary for Lamb, Adams, and Jackson. There are ways to make it work.

We'd have to take KG straight up from the Nets with our TPE to make it work, then send him to OKC for Perk/whoever.

[GreenMachine]

I'd find an expiring for Bradley and shave another $8 million off the cap for this offseason. If Bradley's contract and his game is not as bad as his apologists claim it is, then surely there would be some team willing to do that right? I highly doubt it. Thus, that's why that contract pisses me off. We are stuck with this guy unless we trade him for someone else's crap that has 2 or 3 years left on their deals. $8 million in cap space is A LOT OF MONEY to have this offseason instead of being stuck with this one trick pony.

It is? Who we going to spend it on? I doubt we even use all the cap space we already have. This isn't a pro or anti-AB post... I think that is irrelevant. The point is... we don't need that cap space until 2016 and by then the cap will have gone up A LOT. 8 Mil really isn't much in the new NBA. It's like MLE money.

Not buying. Tony Allen just signed a 4 yr $20 million deal in 2013 and is 10x the player Bradley is. Ask any contender right now who they would want Allen or Bradley and it wouldn't even be close. We overpaid for the guy. There's a lot of guys better then him that we could get for less money.

Which part of "This isn't a pro or anti-AB post" didn't you understand. My point was that the cap space this summer wasn't a big deal.

[SMTBSI]

We'd have to take KG straight up from the Nets with our TPE to make it work, then send him to OKC for Perk/whoever.

I don't understand why that is the case.

BK is sending KG out for no return, so if they have to take someone back, it's legal.
BOS is taking Perk into the Rondo TPE, using just 9.7 of its 13mil.

So this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpqbg9r
Or this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l72d5f7

OKC can send out whatever little spare parts they want to either BK or BOS, in the single trade. Why split it up into two parts? Am I missing something?

[darrendaye]

I've seen a few posters mention it, and, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that Garnett to OKC and Perkins to BOS hasn't been seriously talked about.

For BK: Saves them literally tens of millions of dollars straight up.
For OKC: Turns Perk into KG. I know they're fond of Perk, but KG backing up Ibaka and Adams doesn't sound like a bad plan.
For BOS: Presumably a couple of 2nds from BK (both 2015 and 2019 would be nice), and a well-protected 1st from OKC.


I'm not any good at valuing picks in trades, but it certainly seems like this could be a win-win for all parties. And maybe the most lucrative way possible for us to use that Rondo TPE without taking back multi-year salary.

And, after everything else, we're also helping KG get to a prime contender.

I have thought of this as a Houston alternate, but I too tend to think OC would hesitate to go further into tax territory. As it is, I'm thinking they are trying to line up Jackson trades before the deadline. But on the court it would make sense. Wonder how KG would embrace that given his dislike for change.

Alternately, I think the fact that McHale is coaching Houston makes it easier for KG to assimilate. But his run in with Howard and his similar to Kobe competitive nature may be a bad mix with the more fun lovin' Howard and Harden.

Another possibility for a KG landing spot potentially is Washington. KG for Porter, Seraphin, and Drew Gooden works in Trade Checker. If Ainge could find a 4th team who wants Porter and Seraphin for an expiring and a pick, works for me.
(Edit: Indiana might make a good 4th team, could do Porter for Copeland and take Seraphin for Granger TPE).

[SMTBSI]

BOS Out: Bass, Thornton
BOS In: Williams, Hayes, Hansbrough

SAC Out: Williams, Thompson
SAC In: Lee

GSW Out: Lee
GSW In: Bass, Thornton

TOR Out: Hayes, Hansbrough
TOR In: Thompson

Pick movement left as an exercise for the viewer.


For Sacramento:
- It's an attempt to solve their PF problem. Simply moves their two least productive PFs for Lee. Hopefully calms Cousins by showing him they're serious about improving.

For Golden State:
- Clears Lee's 2nd year, and the players they get back are still useful this year.
- This is entirely based on the assumption that they'd like something centered around Lee for Bass, which is something I've heard Warriors fans express.

For Boston:
- Useful expirings for less useful expirings.
- Boston's angling to get some pick compensation from GSW and SAC for helping them solve their problems.

For Toronto:
- Turns a mostly non-producing Hayes into a modestly useful backup.
- I gave them Thompson instead of Landry because Thompson's got some more size (6'11", 250), and his third year is not fully guaranteed. If they'd prefer Landry, it's probably not a deal-killer?
- Clears them to 4mil below the tax, to make way for further trades. If they don't care about that and would prefer, they can also just keep Hansbrough.


Salaries are all close enough that nobody hits the tax. Sacramento adds a few mil while Toronto loses a few. Golden State and Boston push.


Toronto is undoubtedly the weak link here. Just because Hayes stinks doesn't mean 2.5 years of Thompson is desirable. I've tried to sweeten the pot for them by having us take back Hansbrough, which would clear them some decent space under the tax, so they can try to make another move to improve this year. I don't know if they would still want more compensation to be a part of this.

[Agnostifarian]

Question: Would you trade Marcus Smart for MCW straight up?

[Edug27]

Question: Would you trade Marcus Smart for MCW straight up?

No. Neither player blows me away, but I think Smart has the higher upside

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

J Sullinger and G Wallace to Sacramento, D Williams and N Stauskas to Boston

This works for both teams. Sullinger next to Cousins is a solid fit, Wallace can return to where he used to be which was deep on the Kings' bench.

Williams clears away all the Wallace money, so Boston can sign two superstar free agents. Stauskas is getting the Jimmer treatment from the Kings and they are going with McLemore anyway so Stauskas could escape there and hit shots in Boston. Boston saves money this year, saves lots of money next year and maybe get a shooter they would have considered in the past draft.

Celtics are drafting a big in the upcoming draft, and there will be some around as free agents, Love and Monroe and others, so Sullinger can be moved and before he wants a contract bigger than the one T Thompson turned down.

[bbd24]

Question: Would you trade Marcus Smart for MCW straight up?

Hell no.

MCW is a dime a dozen. Smart is not. Defense, leadership, court vision.....the talent he shows doesn't grow on tree's in this league. Not at 20 years old. He's got a shot at being extremely special.

[Murta]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/1/15/7553997/sacramento-kings-nik-stauskas-jason-thompson-available-trade

Could we arrange something? Bass and Pressey for Thompson's 3 years contract and Stauskas?

[klemen4]

sully for Stauskas

[GreenMachine]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/1/15/7553997/sacramento-kings-nik-stauskas-jason-thompson-available-trade

Could we arrange something? Bass and Pressey for Thompson's 3 years contract and Stauskas?

I'm sure we could... but why would we want to?

[GreenMachine]

Question: Would you trade Marcus Smart for MCW straight up?

I doubt you could find a single poster on this board that would do that. I also doubt you could find more then a couple posters on the Philly board that wouldn't do that. So...

[Andrew McCeltic]

J Sullinger and G Wallace to Sacramento, D Williams and N Stauskas to Boston

This works for both teams. Sullinger next to Cousins is a solid fit, Wallace can return to where he used to be which was deep on the Kings' bench.

Williams clears away all the Wallace money, so Boston can sign two superstar free agents. Stauskas is getting the Jimmer treatment from the Kings and they are going with McLemore anyway so Stauskas could escape there and hit shots in Boston. Boston saves money this year, saves lots of money next year and maybe get a shooter they would have considered in the past draft.

Celtics are drafting a big in the upcoming draft, and there will be some around as free agents, Love and Monroe and others, so Sullinger can be moved and before he wants a contract bigger than the one T Thompson turned down.

Since we're rebuilding, my eyes light up and hearing Stauskas is available. Hard to know what SAC wants, though- Bass for Nik would finally end the Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers curse that's been haunting me for 14 years.. I think they're going to aim much higher and strike out, so then we don't know if they'll settle for another player or decide to keep Stauskas.

I'd consider dealing Sullinger or Olynyk for Mclemore, but extremely reluctantly..