Trade Rumor: Hornets to Target Afflalo Update Pg. 17

[yosemiteben]

Unreal to me that people want to still whine about Marvin and that they do so by trying to point to his 3PT%, which is tied with the other FA we brought in for best on the team (if you look past Pargo cause he doesn't play meaningful minutes).

I was defending him by bringing that up. I brought it up in his defense as he is shooting quite well for a PF compared to others this season. Also he is shooting great from 2 for a 3 pt shooting PF when compared to his peers.

Sorry, wasn't talking about you.

[BeesWax]

Define 'better'

Higher percentage. Not by much but it is higher. My problem is I am not sure Anderson would get more shots here. We just stand those guys in corners and they have to hope to get a look. Now it may improve now that we are spreading the ball around more in which case Anderson would be nice.

Oh and of the guys who qualify on ESPN stats and PFs who shoot 3s he is top in 2pt%.

.352 to .351 in 3-point percentage shouldn't be considered 'better' when the latter make 2x's as many 3-pointers, score over 2x's as many points, and has a PER above average (17 PER) compared to the former's (11 PER)

I'd salivate over Anderson in preference over Williams too, in fact, I do

It only matters if Anderson gets more shots here which I do not think he would. That is and has always been my point. So yes for all we can compare which is the likeliness they will make a shot Williams is better so far this season. Anderson could come here watch his attempts drop to 3 a game and become nothing more than what we already have only a worse defender. If we got him we would also need to adjust the offense to get him involved because we have not done it so far for Marvin.

[BeesWax]

Unreal to me that people want to still whine about Marvin and that they do so by trying to point to his 3PT%, which is tied with the other FA we brought in for best on the team (if you look past Pargo cause he doesn't play meaningful minutes).

I was defending him by bringing that up. I brought it up in his defense as he is shooting quite well for a PF compared to others this season. Also he is shooting great from 2 for a 3 pt shooting PF when compared to his peers.

Sorry, wasn't talking about you.

Well I was the one who brought up the % so I just wanted to clarify.

[yosemiteben]

Unreal to me that people want to still whine about Marvin and that they do so by trying to point to his 3PT%, which is tied with the other FA we brought in for best on the team (if you look past Pargo cause he doesn't play meaningful minutes).

35% on 3-pointers isn't even that good, especially considering the looks he get

How many PFs on active rosters hit that? Everyone is crying for Tolliver and he is hitting 37%. Kevin Love, Dirk, Ryan Anderson, Draymond Green - all below Marvin from three.

I acknowledge Marvin's flaws (which I think would be corrected if he got to play SF), but we signed him primarily to add perimeter shooting and he's done that better than anyone else on the team, other than Roberts (who is a career 40% 3PT shooter).

[mrknowitall215]

Higher percentage. Not by much but it is higher. My problem is I am not sure Anderson would get more shots here. We just stand those guys in corners and they have to hope to get a look. Now it may improve now that we are spreading the ball around more in which case Anderson would be nice.

Oh and of the guys who qualify on ESPN stats and PFs who shoot 3s he is top in 2pt%.

.352 to .351 in 3-point percentage shouldn't be considered 'better' when the latter make 2x's as many 3-pointers, score over 2x's as many points, and has a PER above average (17 PER) compared to the former's (11 PER)

I'd salivate over Anderson in preference over Williams too, in fact, I do

It only matters if Anderson gets more shots here which I do not think he would. That is and has always been my point. So yes for all we can compare which is the likeliness they will make a shot Williams is better so far this season. Anderson could come here watch his attempts drop to 3 a game and become nothing more than what we already have only a worse defender. If we got him we would also need to adjust the offense to get him involved because we have not done it so far for Marvin.

I'm absolutely sure Anderson has more people taking shots away from him on the Pelicans (Davis, Evans, Holiday, Gordon) than he would here with the Hornets (Jefferson, Kemba, ???)

[BeesWax]

.352 to .351 in 3-point percentage shouldn't be considered 'better' when the latter make 2x's as many 3-pointers, score over 2x's as many points, and has a PER above average (17 PER) compared to the former's (11 PER)

I'd salivate over Anderson in preference over Williams too, in fact, I do

It only matters if Anderson gets more shots here which I do not think he would. That is and has always been my point. So yes for all we can compare which is the likeliness they will make a shot Williams is better so far this season. Anderson could come here watch his attempts drop to 3 a game and become nothing more than what we already have only a worse defender. If we got him we would also need to adjust the offense to get him involved because we have not done it so far for Marvin.

I'm absolutely sure Anderson has more people taking shots away from him on the Pelicans (Davis, Evans, Holiday, Gordon) than he would here with the Hornets (Jefferson, Kemba, ???)

Anderson does not create his own shot well. He gets plays run for him. Pick and Roll or pick and pop type stuff. So yes he is a focal point of their offense when he is out there. Otherwise there would be no reason to play him due to his bad defense. It is like Al you have to use him on offense so his defense does not sink the ship. We have not run plays for our PF either Zeller or Williams much this year. Williams is banished to a corner and Zeller stand around the high post until his defender forgets about him then gets the ball and tries to create.

If we can bring him in or AA for that matter and work them more into a system they fit then great. If we bring him in and let him play the exact role Marvin plays we will be very disappointed when defense gets worse and offense does not spike much at all.

[mrknowitall215]

Unreal to me that people want to still whine about Marvin and that they do so by trying to point to his 3PT%, which is tied with the other FA we brought in for best on the team (if you look past Pargo cause he doesn't play meaningful minutes).

35% on 3-pointers isn't even that good, especially considering the looks he get

How many PFs on active rosters hit that? Everyone is crying for Tolliver and he is hitting 37%. Kevin Love, Dirk, Ryan Anderson, Draymond Green - all below Marvin from three.

I acknowledge Marvin's flaws (which I think would be corrected if he got to play SF), but we signed him primarily to add perimeter shooting and he's done that better than anyone else on the team, other than Roberts (who is a career 40% 3PT shooter).

Patrick Patterson, Serge Ibaka, Channing Frye, Marcus Morris, etc.

Okay, Marvin Williams is 6th among the 11 power forwards that qualify as a 'stretch 4', and he's the least productive of them all, even behind Mirza Teletovic & Nikola Mirotic

[mrknowitall215]

Anderson does not create his own shot well. He gets plays run for him. Pick and Roll or pick and pop type stuff. So yes he is a focal point of their offense when he is out there.

So...we don't do pick-and-pop with Marvin Williams to a decent degree? Because if you tell me 'no', I'm going to call you a liar

[BeesWax]

Anderson does not create his own shot well. He gets plays run for him. Pick and Roll or pick and pop type stuff. So yes he is a focal point of their offense when he is out there.

So...we don't do pick-and-pop with Marvin Williams to a decent degree? Because if you tell me 'no', I'm going to call you a liar

Not at near the rate they do with Anderson. Also we do not run it near as well as they do. So he would not have the same shots he now gets and therefore likely would not be much better here considering a drop in defense. If we changed and would use it more then great but if not getting him is a waste of assets.

[JDR720]

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