Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[CalamityX12]

Ideally, Brook could or should fit in nice with KD n Westbrook... Ibaka and Lopez are perfect for one another but Brook please keep your ass in the paint!

Get this deal done! Why is it Billy King doesn't hold out on stupid deals that kill us in the present and future but "holds out" on deals that could turn our season around.

[CalamityX12]

I wonder what the Lakers had in mind?

Can someone with superior skills please post all the rumored trades involving us and Brook?

There's really almost nothing from the Heat, so I have them last in the pecking order. Nuggets have pieces across the floor, interesting call. Lakers who? Lin? Maybe Lin if we are moving Jack as well(which doesn't make sense ATM considering our PG depth), CHA is the front runner here with OKC...

[Paradise]

[MrDollarBills]

The deal is dead

That doesn't mean that Lopez isn't getting traded. There's no way you let him play another minute after this. I think OKC probably balked on including Jackson. If King asked for Jackson and they said no I can't blame him too much because me personally we should be getting at least lance and jackson out of the deal.

I wonder what Denver offered?

[NyCeEvO]

The deal should only be dead if there's another deal they're pursuing.

But watch it go classic Nets style with Lopez still playing despite the team basically screaming that he's a goner.

[F3LON]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

You do realize that Lance is only 24 years old. Some players dont mature until their mid 20's. Bringing up his Charlotte numbers is foolish. He never fit in there. There team lacks veteran leadership like he had in Indy. He was a poor fit next to Walker and Henderson also. Who was spacing the floor on the Hornets in that lineup exactly?

Fortunately for us, Lance fits well between JJ and DWill. Both DWIll and JJ are good spot up shooters and could use Lance's dribble drives to get them uncontested looks. Lance is also very good in PnR which is what Plumlee does best.

I understand that Lance has his flaws. His game is similar in a lot of ways to Jack in that he dribbles a lot and is prone to turning the ball over. They both lack a quick first step but get by with excellent change of speed/hesitation moves. The big difference is that Lance is 6'6' 235lbs. He is able to take it all the way to the rim and finish through contact.

IMO he could be a 15 PT / 7 Reb / 5-6 Ast on this team.

And you said his age and size along with his "could be's" dismissing all his flaws without considering that you are giving up on a 26 year old 7' 275 lb. Center that missed games aside had averaged 20 points and around 2 blocks a game for what 5 straight seasons prior to this one? And actually has been an all star already.

If neither guy played for us without question Lopez would be the far more exciting problem case to take on.

Why we would care to shape our team around a specific coach in the NBA is beyond me. They have a shelf life of 3 years.

In a talent argument Lopez wins this one hands down. Not to mention the value of an offensive center compared to a role playing wing who can't shoot.

Actually I described his flaws pretty clearly.

Lance had improved every year in the NBA until he went to Charlotte who dont exactly have a great track record of developing players. Lance has only played in 26 games in Charlotte and was hurt the entire time with a groin injury. Groin injuries sap your quickness and can take a while to come back from. Look at what happened to Odell Beckham. He missed a month. If you are going to use the "injury" excuse for Lopez then acknowledge it for Lance.

Since we are talking about injury lets talk about Lopez. You glazed over Lopez's injury risk as him missing games. FYI HE MISSES SEASONS!!!!!! That's plural, as in more then one. It is said in sports that your best ability is availability. Lopez has the type of injury in which he is more likely then not to miss significant time again with his foot. Not to mention that he also has back issues again that HE HAD SURGERY ON IN COLLEGE. Foot and Back injuries for a big is like having cancer and AIDS.

We have to disagree about the talent aspect. The value of an offensive center is not high since none of the good teams have one. There is a reason for that. You can get points from just about every position other then center. You cant normally get defensive presence and rebounding outside of your frontcourt. With that said, Stephenson is even rarer then Lopez in that he rebounds like a big. In fact, he rebounds better then Lopez despite being 6 inches shorter. That speaks to how soft Lopez is and how tough Stephenson is. Stephenson plays aggressive, in your face defense unlike most "star" level players. He takes the challenge of taking on the other teams best player. Plus he is a very good facilitator. He averages close to 5 assists a game for a non-PG. That's very good. So his shooting isnt great, who cares. He's more Rondo then Harden and that's exactly what the Nets need.

At some point it comes down to risk management. Brook Lopez's foot is a ticking time bomb. Normally in a salary dump you dont get the better player and, to me, there is no question we are getting the better player. Id much rather trade attitude risk with injury risk since we have Hollins (Zac Randolph/Tony Allen) and Garnett (Rondo/Perkins) who have a proven track record of dealing with knuckleheads like Lance. This trade will free up enough $ to get us the full Mid-Level and Bi Annual exception for next year and that should factor in to assessing the trade.

Also factor into the trade the fit.

Plumlee made Lopez expendable. Keeping Lopez around was just stunting Plumlee's growth. Why pay max salary at center when Plumlee gives us better production at a fraction of the cost.

Lopez doesnt fit with the current roster. Last years team didnt take off until after Lopez went down. Lopez bogs down the offense and makes our wings stationary jumpshooters. JJ needs the option of posting up and taking advantage of his size to be effective. Since Lopez has been back, JJ has been forced to be more of a face the basket type of player and he isnt fast enough to be effective at this. It was obvious that either JJ or Lopez had to go.

We have mostly jumpshooter on this team. JJ, DWill, Mirza, Bogdanovic, Anderson, KG. This places a priority on offensive rebounding. Lopez is a horrible offensive rebounder. Lance is one of the best offensive rebounders at SG in the NBA.

Our biggest hole this year has been defending SGs. How many times can you watch players like Waiters, Wade, Harden and Butler just score at will. Adding Lance turns our biggest weakness into our biggest strength. This will lead to more wins then Lopez's empty scoring stats.

I can go on but I think I made my point. Was it a salary dump? Of course. But we got the best player in the deal.

[CalamityX12]

The deal is dead

That doesn't mean that Lopez isn't getting traded. There's no way you let him play another minute after this. I think OKC probably balked on including Jackson. If King asked for Jackson and they said no I can't blame him too much because me personally we should be getting at least lance and jackson out of the deal.

I wonder what Denver offered?

dead? link?!?!??!?!

[Zachbretton]

I'm assuming Billy tried to bite too much, and they said no. word is, Nets were the ones to pull away from how the deal stood.

I'm worried because I really enjoyed the idea of this trade if we got a PG somewhere in the deal.

I guess we'd only pull back if we have legit offers on the table as well.

I imagine we'll continue to pursue Lance, but maybe it won't be in this trade...


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[Zachbretton]

The deal is dead

That doesn't mean that Lopez isn't getting traded. There's no way you let him play another minute after this. I think OKC probably balked on including Jackson. If King asked for Jackson and they said no I can't blame him too much because me personally we should be getting at least lance and jackson out of the deal.

I wonder what Denver offered?

dead? link?!?!??!?!

Rick Bonell a Charlotte beat writer said,

"A trade that would have sent Charlotte Hornets shooting guard Lance Stephenson to the Brooklyn Nets has been put on hold, an informed NBA source told the Observer early Friday.

The Hornets, Nets and Oklahoma City Thunder were discussing a deal that would have sent Stephenson to the Nets, Brook Lopez to the Thunder and various parts to the Hornets. It appeared close Thursday night, but the Nets pulled back Friday, putting any discussions on hold.

The Nets have multiple options involving Lopez. It’s still likely they will move him."


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[kerry kittles]

If Lopez gets hurt before King swings a trade

[BlackOutBuzz]

We really don't trust Rick here in Charlotte. I think his own sources troll him. He NEVER has a scoop and didn't even weigh in at all until late last night.

Unless someone else proclaims it dead I have a hard time buying it if it's only Bonnell.

[Paradise]

I wonder what the Lakers had in mind?

Can someone with superior skills please post all the rumored trades involving us and Brook?

There's really almost nothing from the Heat, so I have them last in the pecking order. Nuggets have pieces across the floor, interesting call. Lakers who? Lin? Maybe Lin if we are moving Jack as well(which doesn't make sense ATM considering our PG depth), CHA is the front runner here with OKC...

The multiple offers are

Nets Get: Cole, McRoberts and Chris Anderson
Heat Get: Lopez

Nets Get: McGee
Denver Gets: Lopez

Nets Get: Stephenson + Zeller or Vonleh or Biyombo
Hornets Get: Lopez

Nets Get: Stephenson
OKC Gets: Lopez + Perkins
Hornets Get: Lamb + Jack

Nets Get: Lin + fillers
Lakers Get: Lopez

[enetric]

Lance is a good player with a ton of talent.

His skillset just doesn't seem to fit in Charlotte's roster construction and instead of dealing with it professionally, he chooses to be immature about it.

I think we all just look at it as another safe gamble like Blatche was. Same reputation across the league but he manged to mature and stay in line for the most part.

Using that logic you are willing to extend to Lance ...Brook Lopez is vastly more talented and more valuable player as a young center who has been an all star in this league.

You and others are sick of him so it's easy to dismiss him while convincing yourself that this other guy is oh so worth it when not one other gm in the NBA says oh yeah give me some of this idiot. It absolutely is a fools gold/ grass is greener situation.

And should Lopez turn it around elsewhere and Lance is more of the same garbage here as he is in Charlotte will you say man...that was a short sighted trade by us? Nope!

You will resent Lopez for it!!!

And the Blatche comparison? That wasn't giving up on a young center with more talent and adding a different type of problem for 9mil that was adding a 13th man free agent for .875k. And if I recall correctly you hated the move and lobbied that Lou Admunson was the vastly better option for us.

Look hope I am wrong but I am usually right about these things. I see this clown as a guy who found a nice spot to be effective last season. I expect this to be merely a salary dump if it goes down and a downgrade in talent for us.

Not that it matters. Lopez has no chance to turn it around with Hollins here and this team is going no where. If I had my choice of options I would rather have gotten picks a while ago for Brook over a guy like Stephenson today.


I am just amused that blind anger has blocked so many of you from seeing what this most likely is. More salary dumping and another bad trade on the talent side for King. Don't get me wrong, ownership has the right to cut its losses on a team that has failed so poorly. I am just disappointed to see so many of you drinking the Kool-aid on Lance freakin' Stephenson!!!!

The Lopez ship has sailed. Plumlee has outplayed him and contributes more on both ends as a starter, and frankly Lopez's effort level and softness has contributed to the culture that has led the Nets to post apathetic and gutless performances for the last few years. I'll never forget how Joakim Noah ate Brook's lunch in Game 7 on our home floor.

Brook is skilled offensively, but the trade off isn't worth holding onto him anymore especially with his injury history. Of course it's a salary dump and the Nets are taking a short term risk, but this is a better trade in theory than the crap that has cost this team several assets over the next few years.

And also, the idea that Lance, a player that posted averages last year of 14pts 7rebs 5asts on nearly 50% FG is not in the top 50-75 talent wise is ridiculous. I am very concerned about this guy coming here and being an idiot, but to pretend that he isn't an upgrade on the perimeter from the bums we have here now is ridiculous. You have an agenda.

You are giving the 1 your stats of a second round pick who played next to a dominant paul george and on a team with no true point guard.

Trading Lopez for him is not the same thing as signing him. And how does it not bother you even slightly that only the team that had previous success with him is even remotely interested after seeing him in a handful of games this year in Charlotte? That's all it took for everyone to go ok no thanks I don't want to pay that guy for a year and a half?

[enetric]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

have you been watching any Nets games this season? Our team is absolute trash as it stands. We need a guy like Lance. I don't think anyone is expecting him to come in here and light the world on fire, but his enthusiasm is greatly needed to revive this corpse of a team.

I doubt highly he makes any change whatsoever.

[CalamityX12]

If Lopez gets hurt before King swings a trade

and WE KNOW that's going to happen...

we have the worst luck.... god King is such a disease...

[Paradise]

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Perkins, Lamb + Jones or GTFO

[CalamityX12]

I wonder what the Lakers had in mind?

Can someone with superior skills please post all the rumored trades involving us and Brook?

There's really almost nothing from the Heat, so I have them last in the pecking order. Nuggets have pieces across the floor, interesting call. Lakers who? Lin? Maybe Lin if we are moving Jack as well(which doesn't make sense ATM considering our PG depth), CHA is the front runner here with OKC...

The multiple offers are

Nets Get: Cole, McRoberts and Chris Anderson
Heat Get: Lopez

Nets Get: McGee
Denver Gets: Lopez

Nets Get: Stephenson + Zeller or Vonleh or Biyombo
Hornets Get: Lopez

Nets Get: Stephenson
OKC Gets: Lopez + Perkins
Hornets Get: Lamb + Jack

Nets Get: Lin + fillers
Lakers Get: Lopez

Thank you Paradise....

That heat proposal is awful.
The Denver one, I feel we could squeeze more even if we have to throw more...
Hornets is again in the lead, even with Vonleh(potential) or Biyombo(whatever lol)...(not a zeller fan)
Lakers.... Lin does add the PG assurance only if we had moved Jack, so I get that. I doubt or be shocked if we could've squeezed Randle(IR) too... I doubt it obviously.

[enetric]

I don't hate Lopez, I just don't think he's a very effective player to be honest. Even when he puts up pretty numbers. I'm never going to "hate" a guy on my team...I can be annoyed and frustrated by him though, and that's what I've been with Lopez for a while now, and I've felt for a long time that his time here has run its course, and that long-term, his salary needs to be moved regardless. I feel the same way about Deron. But Lopez is more tradable than Deron, so he's the one we're actively trying to move right now.

And if we're able to move Lopez and shed salary, the trade is an undeniable win. We suck with him, we most likely suck without him (but who knows, we played better without him last year too), but we save money regardless, and that's honestly the most important thing for us at this point (other than making the playoffs, which we could still easily do without him).

See, I have no problem with this post. My reaction is to the thought presented in some of the posts that we are massively upgrading our team by turning the talent and baggage of Brook Lopez into the talent and baggage of Lance Stephenson!

It's a massive downgrade at its onset. Doesn't mean it can't work out and it doesn't mean that keeping Brook Lopez is going to magically make us better either. This is a bad team that costs a fortune. But I can't get excited about taking 50 cents on the dollar in trade just because it's going to save us 75 cents on the payroll dollar. That's an ownership gain not an on court gain.

[CalamityX12]

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Perkins, Lamb + Jones or GTFO

**** Billy King.....

How is this douchebag still able to mess us up....

really, this is where a salary dump would be useless... we DONT NEED PERKINS on the court LOL.... we could use his expiring but nothing on the court...

[SpeedyG]

Oh Billly......