'14-'15 Rookie/Sophomore/Junior Thread

[dckingsfan]

CCJ, I believe you are prescient:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... you-jabari

[dckingsfan]

Otto Porter still sitting just outside the top 10:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=vorp

[dckingsfan]

Bradley Beal moving up into the top 10:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=vorp

[hands11]

Third year players:

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RANK    PLAYER          TEAM    GMS     MPG     PPA
1       Anthony Davis   NOP     26      35.0    302
2       Damian Lillard  POR     29      35.5    201
3       Tyler Zeller    BOS     25      19.0    170
4       Jonas Vlncns    TOR     28      26.8    166
5       Jared Sullinger BOS     25      28.4    156
6       Andre Drummond  DET     28      29.9    154
7       Harrison Barnes GSW     26      30.9    153
8       Kyle O'Quinn    ORL     15      19.7    149
9       Draymond Green  GSW     26      33.5    142
10      Patrick Bevrly  HOU     15      33.6    127
11      MKG             CHO     14      24.4    127
12      Henry Sims      PHI     26      23.5    112
13      Pablo Prigioni  NYK     28      19.6    104
14      Alexey Shved    PHI     17      16.8    101
15      Miles Plumlee   PHO     29      22.2    101
16      Terrence Ross   TOR     29      27.9    100
17      Jeremy Lamb     OKC     22      22.2    96
18      Mirza Teletovic BRK     23      23.4    92
19      Aron Baynes     SAS     28      16.6    92
20      Bradley Beal    WAS     17      32.9    90
21      Khris Middleton MIL     25      23.4    86
22      Donatas Motjuns HOU     27      27.5    86
23      Mike Scott      ATL     25      14.7    82
24      Evan Fournier   ORL     29      33.0    78
25      Kendall Mrshll  MIL     17      14.9    71
26      Jae Crowder     DAL/BOS 26      10.5    69
27      Quincy Acy      NYK     27      21.7    68
28      Brian Roberts   CHO     28      17.0    67
29      Kyle Singler    DET     28      23.0    65
30      Tony Wroten     PHI     20      30.8    63
31      Austin Rivers   NOP     27      22.8    60
32      Joel Freeland   POR     26      11.5    58
33      Robert Sacre    LAL     26      14.0    51
34      Dion Waiters    CLE     25      22.6    43
35      Maurice Harklss ORL     16      16.3    31
36      Perry Jones     OKC     13      21.5    28
37      Chris Copeland  IND     26      23.3    17

It's almost like experience matters.

Davis is tops in the league, of course. At age 21. The best PPA season was a 282 by Lebron in his 3rd year in Miami.

Where are the people who ridiculed my affinity for Tyler Zeller? I could name names, but I won't.

Pau Gasol still is very good. His statistics when healthy, while playing for the Lakers led me to conclude BACK THEN that Pau is still better than Nene or Gortat. (THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED TRADES, TGW AND OTHERS...) Folks who wanted no parts of Pau were wrong, as generally the same folks were wrong about Tyler Zeller .Tyler Zeller so far ranks above Beal, but that isn't meant to bring arguments about how good Beal is. It just should make folks rethink short arms keeping Zeller from being effective.

I won't let haters run me away from RealGM. A lot of negative people who generally only know enough to attack other posters would love for there to be even one less poster on this board.

I have my Morris Almond or Mike Sweeney moments. So, not to stress out anyone. Just that I love it when folks say I am wrong.

I hope I'm not running ANYONE AWAY. Put me on ignore if you can't stand me, my posts, or me showing you up.

Yeah, that was the draft that before we landed the #3, we were talking about moving picks around to landing Tyler and Lillard. But Lillard really moved up the charts late in the process.

Give me a couple more years and we can talk about Zeller and Len.

Still keeping an eye on Cory Jefferson. He is a few years away. Marieff seems like he is well on this way this year.

[dckingsfan]

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... index.html

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrank ... on/ROOKIES

Wiggins #1 in both...

[dckingsfan]

Sophomores from ESPN - behind the firewall

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... e-rankings

[Kanyewest]

Mirotic is a teammate of the only foreign-born NBA Rookie of the Year, Pau Gasol (2002).

Like Pau was when he came to the NBA, Nikola is the reigning Spanish league MVP.

Actually foreign born players include Kyrie Irving (Australia), Patrick Ewing (Jamaica), and Tim Duncan (US Virgin Islands). But yeah, Pau Gasol is the only NBA player to have won it who was fully trained outside the United States.

[stevemcqueen1]

Shabazz Muhammad has been balling. The kid can score. I carried water for that guy in the draft thread that year, I'm glad he's finally doing well now that the minutes are there for him post-Brewer trade.

I wonder what'll happen with Zach Levine moving forward? Muhammad is a bigger scoring talent and opens the floor up better for Wiggins. Levine is clearly not a PG, starting Mo Williams at PG has clearly made a huge positive difference for Andrew Wiggins and Rubio is the long term future at the position. Levine is a ball handling 2. But between Muhammad, Wiggins, and Rubio, you have zero extra touches to go around.

I like all of the young assets they've got. But if I were them, I'd be looking to consolidate them into a few that I felt really good about. Deal the superfluous ones off for better short term vets and build a strong team around Wiggins that he can learn to win with. I like the team Minnesota could have in three or four years.

[dckingsfan]

Shabazz Muhammad has been balling. The kid can score. I carried water for that guy in the draft thread that year, I'm glad he's finally doing well now that the minutes are there for him post-Brewer trade.

I wonder what'll happen with Zach Levine moving forward? Muhammad is a bigger scoring talent and opens the floor up better for Wiggins. Levine is clearly not a PG, starting Mo Williams at PG has clearly made a huge positive difference for Andrew Wiggins and Rubio is the long term future at the position. Levine is a ball handling 2. But between Muhammad, Wiggins, and Rubio, you have zero extra touches to go around.

I like all of the young assets they've got. But if I were them, I'd be looking to consolidate them into a few that I felt really good about. Deal the superfluous ones off for better short term vets and build a strong team around Wiggins that he can learn to win with. I like the team Minnesota could have in three or four years.

Zach Levine to the Wizards

[Dat2U]

Sophomores from ESPN - behind the firewall

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... e-rankings

I wonder how would Ante have done in DC if somehow he was our pick instead? Especially considering he doesn't have a reliable 3-ball yet... my best guess is much like Otto... there would be a lot of bench sitting, slow developing & hand wringing over the pick & Witt's use of him.

[dckingsfan]

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... index.html

Still meh for the rookies, IMO sans Mirotic

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

[dckingsfan]

And, 2nd year players with at least 250 minutes so far:

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RANK    PLAYER                          TEAM    GMS     MPG     PPA
1       Rudy Gobert                     UTA     29      18.5    156
2       Gorgui Dieng                    MIN     26      27.7    153
3       Shabazz Muhammad                MIN     26      20.5    128
4       Robert Covington                PHI     17      22.6    127
5       Mason Plumlee                   BRK     26      18.8    124
6       Kelly Olynyk                    BOS     25      25.7    120
7       Giannis Antetokounmpo           MIL     28      27.4    107
8       Dennis Schröder                 ATL     26      18.5    105
9       Andre Roberson                  OKC     20      24.2    104
10      Steven Adams                    OKC     28      24.8    103
11      Isaiah Canaan                   HOU     17      19.4    97
12      Victor Oladipo                  ORL     21      32.4    84
13      Otto Porter                     WAS     25      19.6    84
14      Cody Zeller                     CHO     28      23.5    83
15      Alex Len                        PHO     29      18.5    80
16      Solomon Hill                    IND     28      32.1    71
17      Ben McLemore                    SAC     28      33.2    68
18      Tim Hardaway                    NYK     30      21.3    64
19      Trey Burke                      UTA     29      31.6    62
20      Anthony Bennett                 MIN     25      16.8    61
21      Hollis Thompson                 PHI     25      28.0    57
22      Allen Crabbe                    POR     24      14.8    57
23      Shane Larkin                    NYK     27      22.9    57
24      Kentavious Caldwell-Pope        DET     28      32.4    55
25      Michael Carter-Williams         PHI     19      33.9    51
26      Brandon Davies                  PHI/BRK 24      17.3    45
27      Pero Antic                      ATL     22      16.6    40
28      Robbie Hummel                   MIN     22      11.3    36


Definitely better than the rookies. Almost like experience matters. Third-year guys coming up.

Could you update the sophs and juniors?

[Nivek]

Could you update the sophs and juniors?

I'll post for rookies, second year and third year guys. Here's rookies:

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RANK    ROOKIES TEAM    PPA
1       Mirotic CHI     111
2       Parker  MIL     111
3       Black   HOU/LAL 101
4       Nurkic  DEN     99
5       Ennis   MIA     77
6       Smart   BOS     70
7       Noel    PHI     67
8       Payton  ORL     64
9       Wiggins MIN     60
10      McDnls  PHI     58
11      Ingles  UTA     54
12      Bogdnvc BRK     50
13      Napier  MIA     49
14      Andrsn  SAS     48
15      Grant   PHI     41
16      Harstn  CHO     38
17      Papnklu HOU     38
18      Wear    NYK     25
19      Exum    UTA     24
20      LaVine  MIN     22
21      Rudez   IND     17
22      Sampson PHI     17
23      Hood    UTA     7
24      Stausks SAC     5



[Ruzious]

Could you update the sophs and juniors?

I'll post for rookies, second year and third year guys. Here's rookies:

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RANK    ROOKIES TEAM    PPA
1       Mirotic CHI     111
2       Parker  MIL     111
3       Black   HOU/LAL 101
4       Nurkic  DEN     99
5       Ennis   MIA     77
6       Smart   BOS     70
7       Noel    PHI     67
8       Payton  ORL     64
9       Wiggins MIN     60
10      McDnls  PHI     58
11      Ingles  UTA     54
12      Bogdnvc BRK     50
13      Napier  MIA     49
14      Andrsn  SAS     48
15      Grant   PHI     41
16      Harstn  CHO     38
17      Papnklu HOU     38
18      Wear    NYK     25
19      Exum    UTA     24
20      LaVine  MIN     22
21      Rudez   IND     17
22      Sampson PHI     17
23      Hood    UTA     7
24      Stausks SAC     5



I'm surprised Wiggins and - to a lesser extent - Nurkic don't have higher scores. Wiggins has really picked things up the last 10 or so games.

[Nivek]

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RANK    2nd YEAR        TEAM    PPA
1       Gobert          UTA     173
2       Dieng           MIN     165
3       Mplumlee        BRK     157
4       Muhammad        MIN     125
5       Adams           OKC     115
6       C.Zeller        CHO     110
7       Covington       PHI     109
8       Olynyk          BOS     104
9       Len             PHO     104
10      Antetokounmpo   MIL     103
11      Canaan          HOU     98
12      Oladipo         ORL     95
13      J.Jordan        BRK     86
14      Dedmon          ORL     86
15      Roberson        OKC     85
16      Karasev         BRK     84
17      Porter          WAS     82
18      Larkin          NYK     77
19      Burke           UTA     74
20      S.Hill          IND     70
21      Schroder        ATL     65
22      Bullock         LAC     64
23      KCP             DET     63
24      H.Thompson      PHI     59
25      McLemore        SAC     59
26      Bennett         MIN     53
27      Crabbe          POR     53
28      Antic           ATL     52
29      Hummel          MIN     50
30      Hardaway        NYK     49
31      MCW             PHI     42
32      McCollum        POR     42
33      Pressey         BOS     41
34      Davies          BRK/PHI 41
35      Hamiton         MIA     38
36      Dellavedova     CLE     22
37      McCallum        SAC     17

[Nivek]

I'm surprised Wiggins and - to a lesser extent - Nurkic don't have higher scores. Wiggins has really picked things up the last 10 or so games.

Looking at Wiggins season numbers (I haven't gone into splits or game log), it looks like he doesn't do a lot other than score, and he does that inefficiently. Obviously a ton of potential. His numbers so far remind me a bit of Durant's rookie season.

With Nurkic, a couple things jump out. One, he's a low minute reserve, so he's playing relatively easier minutes. And two, he rebounds extremely well, blocks shots, gets steals, and the team is MUCH better defensively when he's in the game. But, he fouls a lot (10.5 per 100 possessions -- compare with say Seraphin at 8.4), and he's a turnover machine (4.2 per 100 possessions).

[Nivek]

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RANK    3rd YEAR        TEAM    PPA
1       Davis           NOP     275
2       Lillard         POR     206
3       Drummond        DET     179
4       Valanciunas     TOR     176
5       T.Zeller        BOS     163
6       Sullinger       BOS     161
7       Green           GSW     160
8       Barnes          GSW     150
9       Beverly         HOU     122
10      MKG             CHO     117
11      Sims            PHI     113
12      Middleton       MIL     111
13      Crowder         DAL/BOS 111
14      MilesPlumlee    PHO     108
15      Beal            WAS     106
16      O'Quinn         ORL     105
17      Henson          MIL     104
18      Motiejunas      HOU     100
19      Prigioni        NYK     95
20      Shved           PHI/HOU 93
21      Lamb            OKC     92
22      Baynes          SAS     86
23      Acy             NYK     83
24      Marshall        MIL     82
25      Ross            TOR     82
26      Scott           ATL     81
27      Freeland        POR     75
28      Singler         DET     67
29      B.Roberts       CHO     65
30      Fournier        ORL     64
31      Wroten          PHI     60
32      Teletovic       BRK     52
33      Sacre           LAL     47
34      Waiters         CLE/OKC 47
35      Rivers          NOP     40
36      Harkless        ORL     35
37      Bazemore        ATL     34
38      P.Jones         OKC     31
39      T.Robinson      POR     18
40      Copeland        IND     16


Each of these lists is for players with at least 250 minutes played so far this season.

[Ruzious]

Nurkic is actually starting now. Denver made the trade with Cleveland in part because they like Nurkic - not to mention Cleveland probably over-paid. He definitely has a turnover issue, and rookie bigs tend to foul a ton, but he's a talented defender who can score and rebound. I guess on both of them, I'm focusing more on what they've done lately rather than their season on the whole.

[Nivek]

Nurkic is actually starting now. Denver made the trade with Cleveland in part because they like Nurkic - not to mention Cleveland probably over-paid. He definitely has a turnover issue, and rookie bigs tend to foul a ton, but he's a talented defender who can score and rebound. I guess on both of them, I'm focusing more on what they've done lately rather than their season on the whole.

He's starting now, but it's too soon for the starter minutes to outweigh the bench minutes he'd been getting throughout the season. I can see why Denver likes him, though. He looks like he could be pretty good in time.

[dckingsfan]

It is hard to look at our picks right now and be a bit disappointed - just have to hope for some quick development and not look to closely.