ESPN - Does Draymond Green deserve a max deal?

[CnG]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

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What a weird comparison of players who play different roles and different positions. That‘s excluding one is putting up those stats on a team with the best record in the league and the other is doing it on a lottery team in a weak Eastern conference. Also very selective stats that favour offence and you‘re happy to miss out that Draymond Green is leading the league in Defensive WinShares. The guy is a candidate for DPOY, has been incredible.

You‘ve either watched very little of Draymond or have completely missed the point if you‘re basing your his value of stats alone, especially the ones you‘ve listed. Might as well tell the Spurs to throw the max at Jeff Green rather than Kawhi, right?

A 4 that can rebound, handle and bring the ball up the court, shoot the 3 and plays elite D? Not to mention his character and work ethic?$7m a year lol, he‘ll be getting at least 12. If he does leave and get paid, he deserves it. Cash out Draymond, you‘ve earnt every cent of your payday.

[Edrees]

Does this mean Kawaii leonard is worth twice the max? Better D and O than Green, proven finals mvp too.

[mrknowitall215]

My answer is "no". I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh at this question like a joke beforehand though

[Battery]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

Draymond Green is a much much much better defensive player who can guard multiple positions. What about Tobias?

Tobias has played improved defense this year but its not even close -- Green is a much, much better defensive player than Harris. However, Harris is clearly a much, much, better offensive player than Green. I can't even imagine the numbers he would be putting up in that Golden State offense as opposed to what passed for "offense" in Orlando before the last few games (during which Tobias has been injured).

fwiw Green is also 2 years older than Harris.

IMO -- neither is close to a max player.

Nobody cares about his offense. We aren't talking about Lebron James here. There is a reason why Orlando is 15-28 and that is because they play no defense. Every team in the league would choose Draymond Green over Tobias Harris and its because his unique skill set is much more valuable to winning teams, especially in the playoffs when things slow down and it becomes more of a defensive battle.

[Malapropism]

I was just thinking about this, but Draymond Green is possibly in the best situation for any player in the league. I mean, his value is magnified because of the role he plays and the players around him. Put him on just about any other team and I highly doubt he has the same impact. It's just on the Warriors his skillset is EXACTLY what the Warriors need and want from that position, so he's looking great. Lance Stephenson was in a similar position last year, now look at what he's doing. Draymond at least doesn't have the attitude problems that scares other teams away though.

My guess is that some poor team is going to offer him more than he's worth, and it's going to cost the Warriors a few extra million to keep him. Max contract though? That's a big of a stretch. I can only see New York doing it and that's only IF they strike out on most of the other big FAs.

[Kwakle]

I could easily see another team overpaying for him. That's pretty much the only way another team can pry him away. I'm guessing Golden State will match any reasonable amount. My guess another team will offer him 12-14mil


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[gipper08]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

Green is considerably better at basketball than Harris. Shows you what "stats" are worth. Whatever Harris is really worth then Green deserves double.

[gipper08]

Tobias has played improved defense this year but its not even close -- Green is a much, much better defensive player than Harris. However, Harris is clearly a much, much, better offensive player than Green.

I disagree with this. Imo, Green has the edge on offense as well. The whole "makes your teammates better" applies here. Green does and Harris does not. Harris is an empty stat scorer who sort of vacuums offense for himself at the expense of others.

WAY, WAY, better passer and facilitator. Green helps make the offense work.


(btw I would not pay Green more than 7 million per)

[Rasheeed!!!]

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Warriors?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Cavs?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Thunder?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Rockets?

----> I'd say Draymond Green is more valuable on every team trying to do something in the post-season. He can stretch defenses. You can plug him in anywhere because he does a bunch of things and he can defend whoever you need to defend.

Kevin Love is more valuable on a team like the Lakers or the Knicks

Nobody would question Love getting the max but why is is so laughable that Green could also be deserving given that he is more valuable on a good team.

Sure... but those examples are all about 'fit' - if you were building a team from scratch you would go with Love over Green 10 times out of 10. Max guys are the stars that you build around. Green is a 2nd tear guy that you use to compliment those stars.

Wrong. I pick Green over Love 10 times out of 10.

[Atmanne]

Some of the numbers I'm seeing in this thread - stuff less than 8 figures - is a whole lot sillier than a max deal. Alec Burks is getting paid 11 million a year, folks.

Article is absolutely correct that Green is among the most valuable defenders in the league, while being good enough on offense to stay on the floor. Is that worth a max in this day and age? Quite possibly.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Some of the numbers I'm seeing in this thread - stuff less than 8 figures - is a whole lot sillier than a max deal. Alec Burks is getting paid 11 million a year, folks.

Article is absolutely correct that Green is among the most valuable defenders in the league, while being good enough on offense to stay on the floor. Is that worth a max in this day and age? Quite possibly.

Alec Burks is making 3.2 million (then 9.2, then 9.9) he doesn't make 11 million until 2018, the final year of his extension. I agree though, those people who are saying he deserves 7 million are crazy, that is like Trevor Booker, scrub money nowadays.

[Atmanne]

Some of the numbers I'm seeing in this thread - stuff less than 8 figures - is a whole lot sillier than a max deal. Alec Burks is getting paid 11 million a year, folks.

Article is absolutely correct that Green is among the most valuable defenders in the league, while being good enough on offense to stay on the floor. Is that worth a max in this day and age? Quite possibly.

Alec Burks is making 3.2 million (then 9.2, then 9.9) he doesn't make 11 million until 2018, the final year of his extension. I agree though, those people who are saying he deserves 7 million are crazy, that is like Trevor Booker, scrub money nowadays.

My fault.

[gipper08]

Some of the numbers I'm seeing in this thread - stuff less than 8 figures - is a whole lot sillier than a max deal. Alec Burks is getting paid 11 million a year, folks.

Article is absolutely correct that Green is among the most valuable defenders in the league, while being good enough on offense to stay on the floor. Is that worth a max in this day and age? Quite possibly.

Alec Burks is making 3.2 million (then 9.2, then 9.9) he doesn't make 11 million until 2018, the final year of his extension. I agree though, those people who are saying he deserves 7 million are crazy, that is like Trevor Booker, scrub money nowadays.

If you owned a team and payed for the arena yourself then paying Green 70 million is a huge chunk when what he does SHOULD, I repeat SHOULD, be a nickel a dozen in the NBA.

But in the world we live in he probably is worth max and is a top 30 player. If we had solid fundamentals and work ethic then you could have 3 or 4 mini Greens on every bench and you could pay them WAY less.

Finding and /or developing 3 or 4 "mini" Greens is the best route.

[Amish Mafioso]

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[youOK]

I compare his situation to Lance Stephenson last year. He played a similar role to what Green plays on the Warriors. Utility player that does a lot of things well but is not elite at anything. Very important to the team but not worth the max. He's the 4th to 5th option and a very good player on a good team. If his role is forced to expand he probably struggles.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Warriors?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Cavs?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Thunder?

Is Draymond Green or Kevin Love more valuable on the Rockets?

----> I'd say Draymond Green is more valuable on every team trying to do something in the post-season. He can stretch defenses. You can plug him in anywhere because he does a bunch of things and he can defend whoever you need to defend.

Kevin Love is more valuable on a team like the Lakers or the Knicks

Nobody would question Love getting the max but why is is so laughable that Green could also be deserving given that he is more valuable on a good team.

You're comparing fit instead of skill set. Love has max player skill sets. Draymond has glue guy skill set. You don't max out glue guys.

[TheUroborosWorm]

I would pay him 14m/y without blinking, but i want my teams to win, i understand most people wont understand it,but when you find a player that thinks 1 tenth of a second faster than the rest of the field, you have a gem, he may not be very good at anything but defense, and defense only its worth 10m/y, but he knows how to play, he knows how to play at winning basketball, and that is worth more than 4m/y... so at 14 year he is a bargain. The player who has surprised me the most this year.

[Ice Trae]

if you want to screw your team over then yeah

[Wonderllama]

$10 million a year sounds right, maybe more, but max? lol

[RoyalMajesty]

What's next? Andrew Bogut wanting a max contract in a few years? This is outrageous as much as I like Draymond Green. He's not a max contract player.