Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[Giannis Parker]

I do know that backcourt would cause matchup nightmares for opposing teams, but would obviously be defensively deficient and would harken back to Jennings/Monta, but I think they would be much, much better than those two.

I just wanted to break the mold on people thinking that everybody on the team needs to be the same age.

Do not think this is so obvious, Knight can play 1v1 defense on any SG in the league, and has the ability to fight through picks efficiently. The main weakness when having a smaller guard cover a taller guard is in the post game, but Knight is actually very quick to react when posted up.

[jakecronus8]

I don't know if I'm maybe watching someone else, but I think Knight's on ball defense has regressed since last year.

[M-C-G]

I don't know if I'm maybe watching someone else, but I think Knight's on ball defense has regressed since last year.

I actually think he was poor last year and has improved quite a bit.

[Nuggets_Talk]

I gave this a go. It works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2o867y

Bucks Out: Ersan and Dudley to SAC + Henson and Middleton to DEN + 2017 Clips 1st to SAC

Denver Out: Lawson and Afflalo to MKE

SAC Out: Casspi to MKE, Stauskas and Jason Thompson to Denver

I think Denver makes out like a bandit here, getting Henson, Middleton and Stauskas for a blow-it up rebuild

SAC gets Ersan, Dudley and a future first. Only happens if Randive is dumb.

MKE gets good vets for win now but thin front court remains.

Sub Nurkic for Afflalo, Casspi out of deal and it's much better for Milwaukee. Works in trade machine. Also works with Thompson/Stauskas going to either Milwaukee or Denver in place of eachother.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qeg3ffd

I prefer taking Stauskas. I'm not sure I like the prospect of giving up Henson or Khris. KM has great chemistry here and John is coming on but getting Lawson to end Knight at PG might be worth it. Throw in Nurkic for giving up J Hook.

Sub nurkic for afflalo? Lol oh comeon.

[raferfenix]

Ok, in the context of The Rebel's valuations -- here's a scenario taking out Afflalo:

Bucks trade: LAC pick, Henson, Ersan, Dudley
Bucks receive: Lawson, Thompson, Reggie Evans

Nuggets trade: Lawson
Nuggets receive: Stauskas, LAC pick, Dudley

Kings trade: Stauskas, Thompson, Evans
Kings receive: Henson, Ersan

Basically I took Middleton and Afflalo out of the equation, and then sent Thompson the Bucks' way with Dudley going to the Nuggets.

I'm assuming the Bucks would prefer Middleton over Afflalo if only since Middleton is so much more likely to resign with us. The Bucks also can't win now if we only have ZaZa and Kenyon Martin's corpse up front, and since the word is Dudley is going to opt out of his contract after playing so well this season, it seems like Denver would prefer him over Thompson as is.

Here was The Rebel's initial suggestion from the Nuggets' end for reference:

Nuggets trade: Lawson, Afflalo
Nuggets receive: Stuaskas, Middleton, Thompson, Clippers pick

Thoughts?

[paulpressey25]

Thoughts?

I might be ok with it. Just the question of whether or not giving up Henson and that pick are worth Lawson. On value, yes. For a long-term plan, maybe no.

And that's where Afflalo does come into the equation. If you get Lawson, you are going win-now and Afflalo fits better there than Middleton for the moment.

[RayRayJones]

Why do people want lawson so bad? he's like 7 years older than jabari and giannis and has had knee problems in the recent past, plus it gives the bucks one of the shortest back courts in the nba if not the shortest.. no interest in giving value up

i'd be more interested in stauskas

Everybody doesn't need to be the same age.

See: New Jersey Nets with 26-28 year old Kidd taking two high flying rookies (RJ & Kenyon) to the finals two years in a row.

could you really see a knight - lawson backcourt leading this team to the finals?

No, but I could see a Lawson - Knight backcourt leading this team to the finals

[raferfenix]

Yeah I'm going back and forth on this kind of deal too considering how few disposable assets we have.

Once we cash out Knight and Middleton they may or may not hold much if any value, it all depends on the dollars and years and how they play.

Where I draw the line though is giving up assets for a half season of Afflalo. I'd only do that deal if we were planning to resign him, and I don't know if I want to lock in that many veteran role players before we're sure we have our stars.

I'm not sure about locking up Middleton long term vs selling high on him now for this same reason. The difference is that he's young and improving still, and we already know he fits with our team to boot.

[theFireBlanket]

Everybody doesn't need to be the same age.

See: New Jersey Nets with 26-28 year old Kidd taking two high flying rookies (RJ & Kenyon) to the finals two years in a row.

could you really see a knight - lawson backcourt leading this team to the finals?

No, but I could see a Lawson - Knight backcourt leading this team to The Finals

[raferfenix]

Question: are we sure the Nuggets really want Stauskas so badly?

Remembering one of Giannis Parker or Wichmae saying the Nuggets front office prefers Middleton.

Certainly respect The Rebel's opinion on this front as a Nuggets fan not to mention a RealGM mod, but considering the Nuggets already have Gary Harris as a young SG it could be plausible that they'd prefer Middleton since he is a natural SF.

[raferfenix]

Also when discussing Henson trades, we should remember this --

“We’ve never had any interest in trading John Henson,” says John Hammond, the Bucks’ GM. “He’s the kind of player you want in your organization for a long time.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/john- ... kee-bucks/

This could be a test of whether Hammond has much power to make these decisions any more. I'm not remembering him playing poker with these kind of statements otherwise.

[Giannis Parker]

Also when discussing Henson trades, we should remember this --

“We’ve never had any interest in trading John Henson,” says John Hammond, the Bucks’ GM. “He’s the kind of player you want in your organization for a long time.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/john- ... kee-bucks/

This could be a test of whether Hammond has much power to make these decisions any more. I'm not remembering him playing poker with these kind of statements otherwise.

I read this context as, "If you want Henson, be ready to pay, we like him a lot"

[Giannis Parker]

The guy I want to go all in for is Favors, not sure the Jazz move him, seems they have something special with Favors and Gobert.

I just love what Favors brings to the court, that junkyard dog mentality, we sorely lack that.

[breakchains]

The guy I want to go all in for is Favors, not sure the Jazz move him, seems they have something special with Favors and Gobert.

I just love what Favors brings to the court, that junkyard dog mentality, we sorely lack that.

Well, I guess it's better than a couple weeks ago when you thought Gobert wasn't even starter material.

[Manimal]

Nuggets trade: Lawson, Afflalo
Nuggets receive: Stuaskas, Middleton, Thompson, Clippers pick

Thoughts?

So the Nuggets trade their starting backcourt, including the league leader in APG and an all-star level PG...for three scrubs and a crappy pick? What is the logic there?

Even if they were going for a pure salary dump they could get more than this. Hell, the deal they got for Mozgov is better than this package.

[Dcebucks11]

The guy I want to go all in for is Favors, not sure the Jazz move him, seems they have something special with Favors and Gobert.

I just love what Favors brings to the court, that junkyard dog mentality, we sorely lack that.

Well, I guess it's better than a couple weeks ago when you thought Gobert wasn't even starter material.

Doubt the Jazz want anything other than jabari and giannis for favors. I do wonder why that team isn't winning many games with Favors and Hayward

[tski1972]

don't know if it matters, but the Kings just signed Quincy Miller to a 10-day contract.

[raferfenix]

Nuggets trade: Lawson, Afflalo
Nuggets receive: Stuaskas, Middleton, Thompson, Clippers pick

Thoughts?

So the Nuggets trade their starting backcourt, including the league leader in APG and an all-star level PG...for three scrubs and a crappy pick? What is the logic there?

Even if they were going for a pure salary dump they could get more than this. Hell, the deal they got for Mozgov is better than this package.

That was the deal the Nuggets RealGM Forum Mod (The Rebel) suggested actually...

Insofar as Mozgoz is concerned I don't think the league considers him a baseline for value considering how uniquely desperate the Cavs are.

[ChuckBros4Life]

I don't like this trade if the Bucks aren't getting a young asset back with Lawson in the deal. I'm not saying that the Bucks will give up what is needed for this to happen, but that's the only way I would like this trade.

It's trying to speed up the process, but it's just lowering our odds of ultimately being successful at building a championship caliber team. Less than a year removed from drafting a #2 overall pick is way to soon to be making such a win now move. The only win now move I would want to be made right now is if we were getting a superstar back. Lawson is not this.

I'm afraid the owners have seen the promise land far off in the distance (by being over .500 this year) and they've started sprinting towards it. They're going to run out of energy before they get there.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think Lawson as an asset himself the next 3 years is worth more than anything we could give up asset wise. Where I hate giving up young guys for vets, Lawson is the level of player I would get behind. Afflalo does nothing for me though, I'd prefer he just be left out honestly.