Noah to Suns

[Kerrsed]

I would like to apologize on behalf of the Suns fan base. This thread is embarrassing. OP, kind sir, is this deal still available? Please. Just tell me where to sign off.

So funny, and so true

Not funny and not true.

[Kerrsed]

I would like to apologize on behalf of the Suns fan base. This thread is embarrassing. OP, kind sir, is this deal still available? Please. Just tell me where to sign off.

So funny, and so true

Not funny and not true.

[dgwdum]

I would like to apologize on behalf of the Suns fan base. This thread is embarrassing. OP, kind sir, is this deal still available? Please. Just tell me where to sign off.

I'm pretty sure you're not even a suns fan. I have never seen got post on the suns board. this is a bad deal to anyone that actually watches the suns play.

[damecurry]

I feel like some of you think Noah is still what he was last year. He hasn't really been good this year. He had a serious knee operation over the summer and looks like a shell of his former self.

This is the same argument as the batum one, people are so freaking short-sighted. Yes, Noah has always had injury problems, he's been recuperating/fighting through injuries and Gasol on the team has significantly reduced his stats/impact as well. Noah is still one of the best defenders in the game even if he doesn't rack up blocks/steals and he's the best distributing big in the league.
I don't understand the assumption that an off start to the season means the player is "a shell of his former self." Everyone has slumps especially when fighting through injuries. We see players dip for a season and then sky-rocket back to where they were with an off-season of rest. Noah's declined this season that does not mean he's in a permanent free-fall.

As for the trade as a whole, everyone's right really. Objectively Noah's a very proven commodity and Len has had basically 10 really impressive games so most would value Noah much higher. For the franchises though, Noah's not gonna take Phoenix from fighting for the eighth seed to a title contender and the bulls despite early-season struggles are still very much capable of winning the east so a semi-rebuilding move makes no sense. Value-wise it's not bad but leaning in suns favor but subjectively it makes zero sense for either franchise.

[Saberestar]

Suns say No.
Len is already a very good player and is progressing every single game. His upside is HUGE, because he is really working on his game very hard and it has been a true profressional since day one. There are a lot of 7 footers that play ball only because are tall... this is not the case and he plays with passion.
He is under contract for the next few years at a bargain price and that is very important too.

[thamadkant]

I compare Noah 2nd year to Len now and Len is the similar trajectory except he has offensive potential.

Noah is 30 years old and has some durability concerns. If he was 26-27 years old with lower mileage... I'd do it.

Len since starting has been a 10 rebound 3 block type of center... For a 21 year old that's amazing, you keep him and hope he develops offensive moves and he will be a two way center.

[thamadkant]

Lmao at Suns fans. Every thread they overvalue their players. This is laughable for Chicago.

When it comes to Dragic, Markieff Morris, Tucker, Green etc.

You can say some suns fans over value ther players.

But Len is the real deal... Injured almost all last year... Now putting up double figure rebounds and altering shots like he is a 4-5 year veteran. He also has a real aggressiveness offensively, very quick instincts and loves to dunk the ball anywhere within 4 feet.


Noah is a very good player, great passer for his size. But Len's potential is pretty high.
If Noah was younger and didn't have knee concerns maybe worth a discussion.

[DanishLakerFan]

I compare Noah 2nd year to Len now and Len is the similar trajectory except he has offensive potential.

Noah is 30 years old and has some durability concerns. If he was 26-27 years old with lower mileage... I'd do it.

Len since starting has been a 10 rebound 3 block type of center... For a 21 year old that's amazing, you keep him and hope he develops offensive moves and he will be a two way center.

This is ridiculous. Noah is 29 with durability concerns. Len is 21 with durability concerns and only 5 double-doubles in his career. If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't.

[Revived]

How about we change it to Plumlee + Tucker for Noah and McD. Now that's something PHX would strongly consider even though Chicago may not.

[pipfan]

As the OP, I knew Bulls' fans wouldn't like it. It is actually a win-now move for the Bulls as well, along with win-future. Noah and Gasol don't seem to work well, and we have 4 bigs who need minutes. This balances out our team well. Gasol/Taj/Tucker/JB/Rose is a great starting lineup Brooks/Kirk/Dun/Mirotic/Len is a nice bench

It hurts losing our leader, but we need to balance our team, and Tucker's D is needed on the wing, plus his shooting and toughness.

Would it make a difference if it were Len/Tucker for Noah and the Sac pick?

[Revived]

I compare Noah 2nd year to Len now and Len is the similar trajectory except he has offensive potential.

Noah is 30 years old and has some durability concerns. If he was 26-27 years old with lower mileage... I'd do it.

Len since starting has been a 10 rebound 3 block type of center... For a 21 year old that's amazing, you keep him and hope he develops offensive moves and he will be a two way center.

This is ridiculous. Noah is 29 with durability concerns. Len is 21 with durability concerns and only 5 double-doubles in his career. If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't.

Len has been showing that since he's become starter. It's unfair asking him to do that when he was a bench player.

[Revived]

As the OP, I knew Bulls' fans wouldn't like it. It is actually a win-now move for the Bulls as well, along with win-future. Noah and Gasol don't seem to work well, and we have 4 bigs who need minutes. This balances out our team well. Gasol/Taj/Tucker/JB/Rose is a great starting lineup Brooks/Kirk/Dun/Mirotic/Len is a nice bench

It hurts losing our leader, but we need to balance our team, and Tucker's D is needed on the wing, plus his shooting and toughness.

Would it make a difference if it were Len/Tucker for Noah and the Sac pick?

Take Len out and just do Plumlee instead especially since Tucker is the catch that you are going for here anyway.

With Plumlee/Tucker, I think the Suns do it.

[Qwigglez]

I compare Noah 2nd year to Len now and Len is the similar trajectory except he has offensive potential.

Noah is 30 years old and has some durability concerns. If he was 26-27 years old with lower mileage... I'd do it.

Len since starting has been a 10 rebound 3 block type of center... For a 21 year old that's amazing, you keep him and hope he develops offensive moves and he will be a two way center.

This is ridiculous. Noah is 29 with durability concerns. Len is 21 with durability concerns and only 5 double-doubles in his career. If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't.

Wait what? LMAO.
The last 4 games he's gotten over at least 10 boards. For the month of January he's averaging 9 boards a game in ONLY 25 minutes AND he's averaging 2.9 blocks per game. So yeah... he has shown it.
Also, if you take out his first two games of this month where he only got 15 and 16 minutes those games, then he would be averaging more than 10 boards a game for the month of January.

[DanishLakerFan]

As the OP, I knew Bulls' fans wouldn't like it. It is actually a win-now move for the Bulls as well, along with win-future. Noah and Gasol don't seem to work well, and we have 4 bigs who need minutes. This balances out our team well. Gasol/Taj/Tucker/JB/Rose is a great starting lineup Brooks/Kirk/Dun/Mirotic/Len is a nice bench

It hurts losing our leader, but we need to balance our team, and Tucker's D is needed on the wing, plus his shooting and toughness.

Would it make a difference if it were Len/Tucker for Noah and the Sac pick?

Take Len out and just do Plumlee instead especially since Tucker is the catch that you are going for here anyway.

With Plumlee/Tucker, I think the Suns do it.

You think? McBuckets and Noah for Plumlee and Tucker? While you're at it, why dont you move Isaiah Thomas for Lebron James?

I hate to break this for the delusional Suns fan base but Alex Len have shown a glimpse of potential since starting. Nothing more. He's only logged 10 rebounds and 3 blocks in one (!) nba game and at 21 he's already an injury risk. The idea that the Bulls would even remotely consider this, is insane.

For the record, i'm not trying to be hard on the Suns just because i'm upset you guys own all of our (Lakers') picks going forward.

[Qwigglez]

As the OP, I knew Bulls' fans wouldn't like it. It is actually a win-now move for the Bulls as well, along with win-future. Noah and Gasol don't seem to work well, and we have 4 bigs who need minutes. This balances out our team well. Gasol/Taj/Tucker/JB/Rose is a great starting lineup Brooks/Kirk/Dun/Mirotic/Len is a nice bench

It hurts losing our leader, but we need to balance our team, and Tucker's D is needed on the wing, plus his shooting and toughness.

Would it make a difference if it were Len/Tucker for Noah and the Sac pick?

Take out Len and just give the Suns Mirotic and you can keep your leader. Everyone is happy! Heck, the Suns will throw in their very own 2015 pick!

[Revived]

As the OP, I knew Bulls' fans wouldn't like it. It is actually a win-now move for the Bulls as well, along with win-future. Noah and Gasol don't seem to work well, and we have 4 bigs who need minutes. This balances out our team well. Gasol/Taj/Tucker/JB/Rose is a great starting lineup Brooks/Kirk/Dun/Mirotic/Len is a nice bench

It hurts losing our leader, but we need to balance our team, and Tucker's D is needed on the wing, plus his shooting and toughness.

Would it make a difference if it were Len/Tucker for Noah and the Sac pick?

Take Len out and just do Plumlee instead especially since Tucker is the catch that you are going for here anyway.

With Plumlee/Tucker, I think the Suns do it.

You think? McBuckets and Noah for Plumlee and Tucker? While you're at it, why dont you move Isaiah Thomas for Lebron James?

I hate to break this for the delusional Suns fan base but Alex Len have shown a glimpse of potential since starting. Nothing more. He's only logged 10 rebounds and 3 blocks in one (!) nba game and at 21 he's already an injury risk. The idea that the Bulls would even remotely consider this, is insane.

For the record, i'm not trying to be hard on the Suns just because i'm upset you guys own all of our (Lakers') picks going forward.

Your right, Len isn't that good and is an injury risk. Why do the Bulls want him then?

That's why I'm saying take Plumlee instead. Plumlee was a Most Improved Player candidate last season and has ZERO injury issues.

We don't want to force Chicago to take on an injury prone Len. After all, Noah has been putting up some real good numbers this year...that front court with him and Gasol really seems to be clicking well...

So take Plumlee instead!

Otherwise like a poster above said, keep Noah and give Mirotic instead

[Qwigglez]

So being a Lakers fan, would you trade Julius Randle, Nick Young for Joakim Noah? I'm not sure if you guys value Nick Young at all, but I'm hoping you do, lol.

[DanishLakerFan]

I compare Noah 2nd year to Len now and Len is the similar trajectory except he has offensive potential.

Noah is 30 years old and has some durability concerns. If he was 26-27 years old with lower mileage... I'd do it.

Len since starting has been a 10 rebound 3 block type of center... For a 21 year old that's amazing, you keep him and hope he develops offensive moves and he will be a two way center.

This is ridiculous. Noah is 29 with durability concerns. Len is 21 with durability concerns and only 5 double-doubles in his career. If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't.

Wait what? LMAO.
The last 4 games he's gotten over at least 10 boards. For the month of January he's averaging 9 boards a game in ONLY 25 minutes AND he's averaging 2.9 blocks per game. So yeah... he has shown it.
Also, if you take out his first two games of this month where he only got 15 and 16 minutes those games, then he would be averaging more than 10 boards a game for the month of January.

Is that right, for FOUR straight games he's grabbed at least 10 boards? That's amazing. Why he isn't the lead candidate for MVP is beyond me.

[Qwigglez]

Because I said he should be MVP? No... you said "If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't." I countered with... he has and gave stats. No where did I say he should be crowned MVP.

[Revived]

This is ridiculous. Noah is 29 with durability concerns. Len is 21 with durability concerns and only 5 double-doubles in his career. If he's a 10reb, 3blk type center he needs to show it, which he hasn't.

Wait what? LMAO.
The last 4 games he's gotten over at least 10 boards. For the month of January he's averaging 9 boards a game in ONLY 25 minutes AND he's averaging 2.9 blocks per game. So yeah... he has shown it.
Also, if you take out his first two games of this month where he only got 15 and 16 minutes those games, then he would be averaging more than 10 boards a game for the month of January.

Is that right, for FOUR straight games he's grabbed at least 10 boards? That's amazing. Why he isn't the lead candidate for MVP is beyond me.

I don't see Noah being a candidate for MVP either....