#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[MasterIchiro]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

I changed my policy with you. I told you I would not talk basketball with you and not respond to your posts about basketball. I will defend myself when you put words in my mouth. My response to this post is…

I did not say that.

This will be the response phrase I use for every future post where you suggest I'm saying something I'm not saying. You can go ahead an interpret my posts as you wish and translate them as you wish.

But in the end and for future references.

I did not say that.

If you want to now say that doesn't mean Cliff "blocked" Biz because he doesn't want to lose Al, go for it.

I did not say that.

[MasterIchiro]

Lol. Everyone sure is feisty on this beautiful Sunday afternoon.

Just proves the theory. Al is the cause of everybody not getting along.

I would guess it's not funny for the Hornets when they feel Al doesn't have their back on D, isn't hustling, isn't putting his body on the line to bang around rebounders, isn't passing out of double teams, is eating up shot clock to leave them with broken possessions and worse stats, laying down a red carpet for layups, setting crappy screens leading to worse shots etc. etc.

He seems he's likable and non-confrontational as a person but as a player, I would think his play often demoralizes other players who want the ball more or want the ball in a better position or don't want to get beat up by crappy teams and crappy players like the makeshift Pacers from earlier in the year.

Equally, I can see how Lance committing dumb turnovers, over dribbling, committing dumb fouls, flopping, complaining would have a similar effect on team morale.

I just side with Al being shipped out first because of what I stated prior - the 1st unit is better with Biz and the 2nd is better with Lance.

[stinger14]

Lol. Everyone sure is feisty on this beautiful Sunday afternoon.

Just proves the theory. Al is the cause of everybody not getting along.

I would guess it's not funny for the Hornets when they feel Al doesn't have their back on D, isn't hustling, isn't putting his body on the line to bang around rebounders, isn't passing out of double teams, is eating up shot clock to leave them with broken possessions and worse stats, laying down a red carpet for layups, setting crappy screens leading to worse shots etc. etc.

He seems he's likable and non-confrontational as a person but as a player, I would think his play often demoralizes other players who want the ball more or want the ball in a better position or don't want to get beat up by crappy teams and crappy players like the makeshift Pacers from earlier in the year.

Equally, I can see how Lance committing dumb turnovers, over dribbling, committing dumb fouls, flopping, complaining would have a similar effect on team morale.

I just side with Al being shipped out first because of what I stated prior - the 1st unit is better with Biz and the 2nd is better with Lance.

Very true stuff, well said

[thruthefire]

An update on my favorite Biz comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/UyuQI

[catch20two]

An update on my favorite Biz comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/UyuQI

Don't let LP see this. He thinks it's laughable to compare them.

[Liver_Pooty]

An update on my favorite Biz comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/UyuQI

Don't let LP see this. He thinks it's laughable to compare them.

Indeed.

Hes been exceptional since Jefferson has been out, though.

[BeesWax]

An update on my favorite Biz comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/UyuQI

Don't let LP see this. He thinks it's laughable to compare them.

Indeed.

Hes been exceptional since Jefferson has been out, though.

Numbers wise pretty close but Wallace was such an aware defender. Now Biz is just now the age Wallace was when he entered the league and got almost 0 PT on the Bullets.

[yosemiteben]

An update on my favorite Biz comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/UyuQI

Also of note is the fact that Ben Wallace turned 25 before that season, so he was just about three full years older than Biz is this year.

[Liver_Pooty]

Don't let LP see this. He thinks it's laughable to compare them.

Indeed.

Hes been exceptional since Jefferson has been out, though.

Numbers wise pretty close but Wallace was such an aware defender. Now Biz is just now the age Wallace was when he entered the league and got almost 0 PT on the Bullets.

Numbers wise Samuel Delambert and even Mouhamed Sene were as close or better than Wallace was his 4th year. Biyombo is way more physically gifted than Wallace ever dreamed of being, but you're spot on about Wallaces awareness on defense. It was outstanding.

[BeesWax]

Indeed.

Hes been exceptional since Jefferson has been out, though.

Numbers wise pretty close but Wallace was such an aware defender. Now Biz is just now the age Wallace was when he entered the league and got almost 0 PT on the Bullets.

Numbers wise Samuel Delambert and even Mouhamed Sene were as close or better than Wallace was his 4th year. Biyombo is way more physically gifted than Wallace ever dreamed of being, but you're spot on about Wallaces awareness on defense. It was outstanding.

I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.

[Liver_Pooty]

Numbers wise pretty close but Wallace was such an aware defender. Now Biz is just now the age Wallace was when he entered the league and got almost 0 PT on the Bullets.

Numbers wise Samuel Delambert and even Mouhamed Sene were as close or better than Wallace was his 4th year. Biyombo is way more physically gifted than Wallace ever dreamed of being, but you're spot on about Wallaces awareness on defense. It was outstanding.

I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.

As long as he continues to get tip ins and such I don't care what he does on offense, although his free throw shooting can be problematic. Hes being way more vocal than in years past. Instead of just using his physical ability to jump high and block shots he looks as if hes finally starting to be able to read defenses and see plays before they happen.

[BeesWax]

Numbers wise Samuel Delambert and even Mouhamed Sene were as close or better than Wallace was his 4th year. Biyombo is way more physically gifted than Wallace ever dreamed of being, but you're spot on about Wallaces awareness on defense. It was outstanding.

I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.

As long as he continues to get tip ins and such I don't care what he does on offense, although his free throw shooting can be problematic. Hes being way more vocal than in years past. Instead of just using his physical ability to jump high and block shots he looks as if hes finally starting to be able to read defenses and see plays before they happen.

Agreed. I am hoping some of this may have come from meeting with Dikembe over the summer. I would like to think someone who seems so eager to learn took advantage of that opportunity. He isn't biting on fakes as much and is going straight up more often now. I love the way his defensive awareness is maturing and hope it continues like this. If he can basically be our goalie with the other guys we have now we could be a major defensive force. Shoot when he is on the court this season we already are and you can still see him learning.

[Liver_Pooty]

I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.

As long as he continues to get tip ins and such I don't care what he does on offense, although his free throw shooting can be problematic. Hes being way more vocal than in years past. Instead of just using his physical ability to jump high and block shots he looks as if hes finally starting to be able to read defenses and see plays before they happen.

Agreed. I am hoping some of this may have come from meeting with Dikembe over the summer. I would like to think someone who seems so eager to learn took advantage of that opportunity. He isn't biting on fakes as much and is going straight up more often now. I love the way his defensive awareness is maturing and hope it continues like this. If he can basically be our goalie with the other guys we have now we could be a major defensive force. Shoot when he is on the court this season we already are and you can still see him learning.

I just don't like the Wallace comparison. I think he can become a rich mans Delambert, which averaged nearly 11/11 and 2.5 blocks his best year.

[yosemiteben]

I agree that he didn't have the awareness that Wallace had, evidenced by his lower steal numbers, but I think that can come as he develops and spends more time on the court and physically maturing.

[Braggins]

Biz is just a good player and we should all be happy to have him. He plays winning basketball and still hasnt came close to his potential. Our front office is going to look stupid when we trade him or let him walk then extend Al.

[BeesWax]

As long as he continues to get tip ins and such I don't care what he does on offense, although his free throw shooting can be problematic. Hes being way more vocal than in years past. Instead of just using his physical ability to jump high and block shots he looks as if hes finally starting to be able to read defenses and see plays before they happen.

Agreed. I am hoping some of this may have come from meeting with Dikembe over the summer. I would like to think someone who seems so eager to learn took advantage of that opportunity. He isn't biting on fakes as much and is going straight up more often now. I love the way his defensive awareness is maturing and hope it continues like this. If he can basically be our goalie with the other guys we have now we could be a major defensive force. Shoot when he is on the court this season we already are and you can still see him learning.

I just don't like the Wallace comparison. I think he can become a rich mans Delambert, which averaged nearly 11/11 and 2.5 blocks his best year.

Maybe a Thoe Ratliff. Little short height wise but long and athletic.

[Liver_Pooty]

Agreed. I am hoping some of this may have come from meeting with Dikembe over the summer. I would like to think someone who seems so eager to learn took advantage of that opportunity. He isn't biting on fakes as much and is going straight up more often now. I love the way his defensive awareness is maturing and hope it continues like this. If he can basically be our goalie with the other guys we have now we could be a major defensive force. Shoot when he is on the court this season we already are and you can still see him learning.

I just don't like the Wallace comparison. I think he can become a rich mans Delambert, which averaged nearly 11/11 and 2.5 blocks his best year.

Maybe a Thoe Ratliff. Little short height wise but long and athletic.

I forgot all about Ratliff. That man was a shot blocking animal.

[BeesWax]

I just don't like the Wallace comparison. I think he can become a rich mans Delambert, which averaged nearly 11/11 and 2.5 blocks his best year.

Maybe a Thoe Ratliff. Little short height wise but long and athletic.

I forgot all about Ratliff. That man was a shot blocking animal.

Arms that went on forever and great timing. The two handed both side of the rim block last night reminded me of Theo some. Cover all your options so there is no way to make the layup.

[Dancingpanda]

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I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.[/quote]

I noticed this in the Indiana Game. there was one point where He was shouting at Henderson to pick up the guy (i think it was C.J miles) shooting a three at the top of the key.I've been impressed with Biz this season. That inital benching by Clifford might have helped Biz turn the corner lol

[Eoghan]

I like that Biz is starting to call the D from the back. He is pointing and talking much more now. I am hoping this is a sign of things to come. He may never be an offensive force but if he can see the defense and get everyone else set he could be a great anchor on that end.

This will sound shocking but Biz did this as a rookie. Maybe his teammates tuned him out because he was the African kid or maybe he was spouting gibberish but Biz always exhibited signs as a defensive anchor. Trust me, I've had Biz under a microscope since day one.

I agree that he didn't have the awareness that Wallace had, evidenced by his lower steal numbers, but I think that can come as he develops and spends more time on the court and physically maturing.

Again, Biz was very active with his hands and aware of passing lanes initially, it wasn't unusual for him to poke the ball away from people. He's probably had this instinct tempered to resolve foul issues. Try and watch his triple double game from hoop summit, he was a terror when he wasn't worried about cheap fouls.